Gay marriage: yay or nay?

arguments that rely completely upon a holy book oftentimes ring hollow at best. For one, there so many rules are disregarded without the same anger that gay marriage seems to evoke. leviticus 19:28 "'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD." or ""'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean." or "It is a sabbath of rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath." Not to mention the parts that ban blended fabric, or shaving.

Ours is not a society that adheres to every aspect of the bible, there is a lot of choice in the process, which brings up some issues. For one, why is it acceptable for someone to be tattooed, but not gay married? are one of these rules more important than the other and if so, what is the basis for this distinction?

If there is a basis for one part of leviticus to be more relevant than another, then using the bible as an argument fails. The main arguments against gay marriage that evoke the bible simply state that the bible forbids it. to make distinctions between rules not based upon scripture defeats the very basis of having rules. If they're all His law, then they must all be followed. If human logic is used to differentiate between the rules, then "the bible forbids it" is no longer a sufficient answer for why gay marriage is wrong. The bible forbids many things we don't consider "wrong" so what makes one superior to the other? The Rule of Law collapses when people pick and choose, because their weight, especially in regards to religion is based upon God's decree, to disobey would argue that we know better than God.

Yet, it seems that we do think we know better than God. Another issue is how these distinctions always benefit those making them. There's always a reason why I may break these codes, but other must not. People hold others to a moral code (not necessarily the bible) without any room for error or deviation, yet when it comes to themselves, there's always flexibility. Moral codes are never absolute when applied to ourselves, only when imposed upon others, but why? If discretion is allowed for one, why not all? Why is one person's infraction okay, while another person's is an affront?

Given these contradictions, simply references the bible is not a legitimate argument against gay marriage, unless it calls for strict adherence to all codes. Until the argument against gay marriage is made by someone who follows the bible completely, it will ring hollow. "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." less

I just got my tatoo last week because it stands for something i went thru 6 years ago.

My family is against tatoos too, but my sister has 2 and i just got my 1 and only one likely.

I have an opinion as anyone else. u like gay marriage awesome. i don't awesome. not worth putting people down over. i don't hate the person, i dislike the lifestyle. less

I just got my tatoo last week because it stands for something i went thru 6 years ago.

My family is against tatoos too, but my sister has 2 and i just got my 1 and only one likely.

I have an opinion as anyone else. u like gay marriage awesome. i don't awesome. not worth putting people down over. i don't hate the person, i dislike the lifestyle. less

I just got my tatoo last week because it stands for something i went thru 6 years ago.

My family is against tatoos too, but my sister has 2 and i just got my 1 and only one likely.

I have an opinion as anyone else. u like gay marriage awesome. i don't awesome. not worth putting people down over. i don't hate the person, i dislike the lifestyle. less

What lifestyle? I'll never understand this argument! How is the gay lifestyle ANY different than the heterosexual one?

They get up and take a shower, not a gay shower, just a shower. Go to their job, not their gay job, just their job. They go home and make their dinner, not their gay dinner, just dinner. They watch TV, not their gay TV, just a regular Insignia, RCA, Sony, Samsung, LG... They go to bed, and the only thing gay happening there is the sex, which, as you said, you don't care what they do at home.

So, exactly what is your problem with gay marriage? Other than your religious view? less

lifestyle = 2 girls or 2 guys having sex, kissing, holding hands, trying to adopt kids when all kids should be raised with a mom and a dad, and yes i agree there are some who've gotten divorced and do i find divorce wrong? yes but in some instances it maybe neccessary such as abuse, cheating more than once etc.

And there's not an arguement other than a religious view except for the fact it's not normal for 2 guys or 2 girls to like each other let alone get married. live together all u want, not even sure how that would work to get married when when you marry a man if you're a woman, you take the man's last name unless you are a celebrity or what have you. And i was not saying people have "gay tvs, phones, laptops, jobs, houses, showers, dinners". less

lifestyle = 2 girls or 2 guys having sex, kissing, holding hands, trying to adopt kids when all kids should be raised with a mom and a dad, and yes i agree there are some who've gotten divorced and do i find divorce wrong? yes but in some instances it maybe neccessary such as abuse, cheating more than once etc.

And there's not an arguement other than a religious view except for the fact it's not normal for 2 guys or 2 girls to like each other let alone get married. live together all u want, not even sure how that would work to get married when when you marry a man if you're a woman, you take the man's last name unless you are a celebrity or what have you. And i was not saying people have "gay tvs, phones, laptops, jobs, houses, showers, dinners". less

lifestyle = 2 girls or 2 guys having sex, kissing, holding hands, trying to adopt kids when all kids should be raised with a mom and a dad, and yes i agree there are some who've gotten divorced and do i find divorce wrong? yes but in some instances it maybe neccessary such as abuse, cheating more than once etc.

And there's not an arguement other than a religious view except for the fact it's not normal for 2 guys or 2 girls to like each other let alone get married. live together all u want, not even sure how that would work to get married when when you marry a man if you're a woman, you take the man's last name unless you are a celebrity or what have you. And i was not saying people have "gay tvs, phones, laptops, jobs, houses, showers, dinners". less

Lots of straight couples do not take each other's names, regardless of celebrity status! Most of my married friends did not change their names. Name changes have nothing to do with legal marriage for anyone, it's a personal choice.

Also you can legally change your name without getting married.

Will you address the question you have been asked for several pages, about what the difference is between the laws you support in the Bible, such as "gays shouldn't marry", versus the laws you ignore, such as not getting tattoos? It's very frustrating when people make arguments but don't answer direct questions. less

Because heterosexual people are the epitome of great parenting!

Heaven FORBID a gay couple adopt a baby, you know, one of the ones that straight people decided they didn't want!



Better to have a deadbeat, abusive dad and a drunk mom, than a loving gay couple for parents! For sure!

SERIOUSLY!?

I'm at a loss for how to further this conversation because I'm completely baffled by the closed-mindedness. less

I just got through saying that I got ONE because of something I went thru 6 yrs ago and wanted to have the resemblence for something. I am not sure what the Bible says about tatoos, my dad use to tell us as kids a lot about that but i forgot the verse.

And the specific sins that you won't inherit the kingdom of heaven are:
(1 Corinthians 6:9)

- sexual immoral
- idolaters
- prostitutes
- adulterers
- homosexual offenders
- swindlers

it doesn't specifically say gay marriage, but the lifestyle of homosexuality. And it's not a law in the Bible, it is a statement. less

I just got through saying that I got ONE because of something I went thru 6 yrs ago and wanted to have the resemblence for something. I am not sure what the Bible says about tatoos, my dad use to tell us as kids a lot about that but i forgot the verse.

And the specific sins that you won't inherit the kingdom of heaven are:
(1 Corinthians 6:9)

- sexual immoral
- idolaters
- prostitutes
- adulterers
- homosexual offenders
- swindlers

it doesn't specifically say gay marriage, but the lifestyle of homosexuality. And it's not a law in the Bible, it is a statement. less

There's different translations but the ones that aren't re-worded into "todays" words is NIV, NKJV, KJV and NSV

AND i agree that it's stupid to argue about this, so with that said this is my last reply before i end it lol. I believe it is wrong, so that is my belief. less

Another question, Mama2007.

Are all your friends Christians? If you know more Christians than non-Christians, you're not living like Jesus did.

He was in the world, eating with prostitutes and tax collectors, murderers and thieves. He didn't stay locked away in the temples with the religious people who thought they knew everything. He condemned them. less

actually 1/2 of my friends are from church and 1/2 of them are from gymnastics i use to do, neighborhood friends and school friends who are not Christians. I don't "keep myself" away from people who are gay, i don't even know anyone but maybe 2 people who are that I know in my hometown, but I never talked to them much.

Yes it's technically wrong in general to have sex before marriage.

- No i have never stole anything that i'm aware of even as a child.
- I don't know about the adoption question because I personally have never had to deal with foster care or adoption.
- In your lives, you don't purposely break the commandments. It happens and you ask God to forgive you for it & do your best to not do that again. As with anything wrong - ask for forgiveness from those you have wronged.
- No i have not cheated on a test when I was in school and never attended college
- Fantasy with anyone other than my husband? no.
- Coveting is what is one of the 10 commandments, not admiring someone. Coveting is wanting something really bad that someone else owns or has.
- Admiring someone for their courage in something is not coveting them less

actually 1/2 of my friends are from church and 1/2 of them are from gymnastics i use to do, neighborhood friends and school friends who are not Christians. I don't "keep myself" away from people who are gay, i don't even know anyone but maybe 2 people who are that I know in my hometown, but I never talked to them much.

Yes it's technically wrong in general to have sex before marriage.

- No i have never stole anything that i'm aware of even as a child.
- I don't know about the adoption question because I personally have never had to deal with foster care or adoption.
- In your lives, you don't purposely break the commandments. It happens and you ask God to forgive you for it & do your best to not do that again. As with anything wrong - ask for forgiveness from those you have wronged.
- No i have not cheated on a test when I was in school and never attended college
- Fantasy with anyone other than my husband? no.
- Coveting is what is one of the 10 commandments, not admiring someone. Coveting is wanting something really bad that someone else owns or has.
- Admiring someone for their courage in something is not coveting them less

actually 1/2 of my friends are from church and 1/2 of them are from gymnastics i use to do, neighborhood friends and school friends who are not Christians. I don't "keep myself" away from people who are gay, i don't even know anyone but maybe 2 people who are that I know in my hometown, but I never talked to them much.

Yes it's technically wrong in general to have sex before marriage.

- No i have never stole anything that i'm aware of even as a child.
- I don't know about the adoption question because I personally have never had to deal with foster care or adoption.
- In your lives, you don't purposely break the commandments. It happens and you ask God to forgive you for it & do your best to not do that again. As with anything wrong - ask for forgiveness from those you have wronged.
- No i have not cheated on a test when I was in school and never attended college
- Fantasy with anyone other than my husband? no.
- Coveting is what is one of the 10 commandments, not admiring someone. Coveting is wanting something really bad that someone else owns or has.
- Admiring someone for their courage in something is not coveting them less

Some people need to actually read the book they're purporting to follow.

I'm not a Christian and I've read it straight through several times. (Okay, so I only skimmed the "begats".) From experience in the world I can see I have a better grasp of it than some Christians. less