Fired Over Birth Control?

Lock Lock
Recently, the ACLU brought attention to a bill that would make it possible for a boss to fire an employee for taking birth control, and for employers to deny women health coverage for birth control. The bill has already passed one house in Arizona.

Do you think it's acceptable for an employer to have this kind of power over an employee?
03/13/2012
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Ansley Ansley
I was under the impression that was for religious entities like churches...not your everyday Corporate America.

What's your source?
03/13/2012
underHim underHim
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Originally posted by Ansley
I was under the impression that was for religious entities like churches...not your everyday Corporate America.

What's your source?
That is what I thought too. I can understand a church not wanting to have a representative who stands against their own moral grounds.
03/13/2012
Miss Morphine Miss Morphine
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Originally posted by underHim
That is what I thought too. I can understand a church not wanting to have a representative who stands against their own moral grounds.
I thought it was for religious entities as well, but I'll read an article if a link or citation for something in hard copy is provided.
03/13/2012
Beck Beck
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This is what I found today, but I haven't read it completely yet.
03/14/2012
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Beck
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This is what I found today, but I haven't read it completely yet.
...repeals that law and allows any employer to refuse to cover contraception that will be used "for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes." If a woman wants the cost of her contraception covered, she has to "submit a claim" to her employer providing evidence of a medical condition, such as endometriosis or polycystic ovarian syndrome, that can be treated with birth control...

A million will be diagnosed as having either condition to skirt the law. This is ridiculous!
03/14/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by Ansley
...repeals that law and allows any employer to refuse to cover contraception that will be used "for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes." If a woman wants the cost of her contraception covered, she has to ... More
It is ridiculous. This is a BS bill! Now we all have to look for this bill to come to our area!
03/14/2012
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Beck
It is ridiculous. This is a BS bill! Now we all have to look for this bill to come to our area!
Indeed! It's scary what they're willing to put women through for the sake of keeping an economy going. This country banks on people having children and settling into the ideal suburban house and life and all of the products that come with it.
03/14/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
What bullshit. This will open the door to allow employers to fire people for all kinds of reasons that are PRIVATE. How about a drug company who is allowed to fire people who use drugs that their competitors made? How about a clothing company who makes jeans who fires women who wear skirts instead?

I worked at La Leche League years ago (I worked in the office on the lactation hotline as a paid professional, not a volunteer.) There were PLENTY of women who worked in that office (not in my job, but in office jobs) who had never breastfed their babies. LLL was not allowed BY LAW to prevent women who didn't breastfeed from working there, in fact they were not allowed to ASK! Nor should they have. LLL has a very strong dedication to breastfeeding and in some ways some who worked there felt (similarly to a religion) that ALL who worked there needed to be on board with the "belief system" of the organization. (I didn't. As long as people weren't giving breastfeeding advice to others, it didn't matter to me how they fed their children)

Why does everyone who works for a church related organization HAVE TO agree with everything that religion says? La Leche League wasn't allowed such a thing. And some felt our "message" was diluted by such allowances, but it was not right to discriminate against those who couldn't or didn't breastfeed.

I hope what I am saying made sense. A LOT of organizations have "belief systems" but they have NO RIGHT to force their employees to join in that belief system. Churches are no different.

They want all kinds of tax exempt statuses, if they don't want to pay taxes, then they should have to go along with the way other companies work; PAY for health car and not put their fat noses into what it is used for. HIPPA prevents your employer from seeing your health records, yet that is exactly what these church based organizations what to do; see your health records.

People, there is a NEW War on Women, and it's being lead by the far Right. It needs to stop NOW!
03/14/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by Ansley
Indeed! It's scary what they're willing to put women through for the sake of keeping an economy going. This country banks on people having children and settling into the ideal suburban house and life and all of the products that come with it.
It is scary!

How ridiculous is it that you have to support a claim to get BC to your insurance. Wouldn't the claim just get you fired in the first place? Do the males get fired if their wife is on birth control and they are on their plan?
03/14/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by P'Gell
What bullshit. This will open the door to allow employers to fire people for all kinds of reasons that are PRIVATE. How about a drug company who is allowed to fire people who use drugs that their competitors made? How about a clothing company who ... More
This is indeed a war on women! I hope it gets stopped soon!!!!
03/14/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Ansley
Indeed! It's scary what they're willing to put women through for the sake of keeping an economy going. This country banks on people having children and settling into the ideal suburban house and life and all of the products that come with it.
Stormy, these churches have NO desire for people to "settle into a suburban life with children." If they did, they would PAY BETTER. (I know people who work in church run schools and offices and they pay like shit.)

Churches do this to keep women barefoot and pregnant! It's simple. They don't give a shit about our economy, they just want things the way they were in the 1600s. Where people were afraid of the Church, yet were powerless to not be part of it, and did anything the Church said.

FTR, I live a nice suburban life with children and some of the products that go with it, and I think this law is absolute bullshit. Some of us choose to have marriages with kids and a nice house in the suburbs, but that doesn't mean we expect everyone else to want that. It's kind of unfair to those of us who live that way, to say we're being forced into it? Isn't it? Not to mention that most of us who do live this lifestyle need birth control just as much as hipster city dwellers.

I'm all for people living in the way they choose. And, not having a church or an employer tell them how to live. But, please don't put down those of us who do want a family. Few of us want a baby every other year until we go into menopause, even if we do want kids. I think as women, we are ALL under attack. And we need to stick together, not splinter among ourselves. This is NOT the fault of suburban families with kids, it's the Right trying to grab control. That's it.
03/14/2012
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Stormy, these churches have NO desire for people to "settle into a suburban life with children." If they did, they would PAY BETTER. (I know people who work in church run schools and offices and they pay like shit.)

Churches do this ... More
P'Gell, I don't care what the churches want and I wasn't speaking on their behalf. I was talking about the people who make the laws in the first place.
03/14/2012
tiggle biddies tiggle biddies
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Originally posted by Lock
Recently, the ACLU brought attention to a bill that would make it possible for a boss to fire an employee for taking birth control, and for employers to deny women health coverage for birth control. The bill has already passed one house in Arizona. ... More
thats bullshit man what about women who take it for medical reasons?
03/18/2012
Woman China Woman China
Ok. Call me ignorant.... but I thought that church and State no longer were bosom buddies?????

And this is utterly ridiculous.

You know what shocks me to no end, is when these politicians and people who support these types of decisions turn around and scream "human rights" and "freedom this and that" at countries that don't shove them down their people's throats. Yet, politicians in American seem to turn around and invade your freedoms and your basic human right. To choose.

Rather than deciding how Americans should live their lives, personally I feel that they should be investing their voices into programs teaching the people how to make better decisions through various programs throughout schools. Sports, art programs to name two broad topics.

Yet it seems the focus, money, effort is spent on telling adults that the bottom line is... every sperm is sacred and you are too dumb to know what is best for you.

But then again... it might just mean a better economy for Canada. Americans crossing the border to get birth control.
03/18/2012
hyperballad hyperballad
Absolutely not. The entire debate is ridiculous, especially when Viagra continues to be covered by insurance, yet I pay out of pocket every month for birth control that allows me to function.
03/18/2012
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