Want the Mentor Program Back?

Pete's Princess Pete's Princess
How many of you miss the mentor program? I thought it was a great program and I learned a lot being a student. I also feel that those who went through the program were much better reviewers. Yes there were a few mentors who did not take it seriously but that was a very small minority. Overall do you feel it was beneficial for the whole community and should be reinstated?
08/24/2013
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wetone123 wetone123
I did not know this was gone too! I knew a lot of things were gone but not this. I thought the Mentor Program kept the reviews really good and informative. I know I would not have been able to write reviews as well without it. I was never a mentor but I feel it was beneficial for the community and the quality of describing items for sale so Eden could sell more. But what do I know?
08/25/2013
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by wetone123
I did not know this was gone too! I knew a lot of things were gone but not this. I thought the Mentor Program kept the reviews really good and informative. I know I would not have been able to write reviews as well without it. I was never a mentor ... More
There are a few inherent problems with the mentor program, I'm definitely open to feedback on what parts of the program you enjoyed and which parts were less desirable. I have a few ideas of my own but until the review templates are revamped, I doubt we're going to bring it back up. (The days of the "everything and the kitchen sink" reviews are over. While it was awesome for the community and we all learned a lot, the general customer base wasn't as drawn to them as we were in the community.)
08/26/2013
Sincerely Yours, N Sincerely Yours, N
As a member that recently joined, I was very upset that there was no mentor program. I was actually tempted to not even be active on here because of it, but thankfully I met a makeshift mentor

I liked everything and the kitchen sink reviews haha. its so nice to read one good review and know everything about a toy that there is to know. I understand that others might not have liked them though.
08/26/2013
wetone123 wetone123
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Originally posted by Ansley
There are a few inherent problems with the mentor program, I'm definitely open to feedback on what parts of the program you enjoyed and which parts were less desirable. I have a few ideas of my own but until the review templates are revamped, I ... More
Well, I don't know about other mentors but I had 2 excellent ones who taught me what was important to include in a review and what did not belong in a review to make sure the consumer had the best information in their buying choices.
I have not written any reviews in some time, but am still a customer and read a lot of reviews before buying a product.
I agree some reviews have been too lengthy but would rather have that than a review which tells me nothing.
Perhaps the editors could take up the slack on this or have they already?
08/26/2013
Gluesnffr Gluesnffr
I would appreciate having the mentor program back. I'm not too crazy about all these new changes.
08/26/2013
Genderfree Genderfree
It's gone? Gosh, I just came on, and just talked to my mentor about the fact that I haven't sent my review and just sent my new review to her... oops, I guess I sent it to the editor!!
08/27/2013
Heartthrob Heartthrob
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Originally posted by Ansley
There are a few inherent problems with the mentor program, I'm definitely open to feedback on what parts of the program you enjoyed and which parts were less desirable. I have a few ideas of my own but until the review templates are revamped, I ... More
One of the problems I found with the mentor program was that some students only wanted to participate if they received free assignments. When they had trouble with this they refused to participate. I think that a new mentor program should not include free products. That could serve as a type of filter. In truth, most people interested in the mentor program will most likely already own a few toys that they can review.
08/30/2013
Hoshigetsu Hoshigetsu
I was a student and I can say I learned a lot. It would have been nice to know I needed 3 items that I needed to have to review during it but I was lucky and had 2 books and a toy. It was nice having as much time as needed to complete it (I went through mine in a short 2 or 3 monthes). I stumbled upon it in an email that Eden was promoting the mentor program by offering 2000 points to anyone who became a student and then graduated. My mentor taught me a lot and took it seriously, and I definitely turned out to be a better reviewer because of it. I'm disappointed to see they took it away.
08/30/2013
js250 js250
Stormy--why not have a mixture of review lengths. I prefer the longer ones myself since the tend to be more informative about the details beyond a description. Maybe have a contest or something for 5 people to do longer reviews and the rest have a shorter format?
08/31/2013
PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
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Originally posted by Ansley
There are a few inherent problems with the mentor program, I'm definitely open to feedback on what parts of the program you enjoyed and which parts were less desirable. I have a few ideas of my own but until the review templates are revamped, I ... More
Well that's just sad. As a customer, I want to read all I can about a product before buying it. The deeply thorough reviews make me feel like I'm holding it in my hand before ever seeing it, and that's what I've always done with my reviews. I want a new customer (not the other reviewers here or community) to know all that they can about a product. I don't care about the rating system, I don't care what others say about them. But I know that if someone has a question about something, chances are they can read one of my reviews and find the answer.

Guess I'll keep my thorough reviews for my awesome blog and keep my word count to a minimum here.
08/31/2013
Sincerely Yours, N Sincerely Yours, N
I agree with Js250 and Property of Potter. I find longer reviews much more informative. Even though they sometimes seem like everyone is saying the same things about the controls, size, material, and such, often times people include certain things that others don't. I don't actually get to hold these toys in my hands before getting them, but reading the longer reviews makes me feel as if I've already played with them and help me know what to expect.

Honestly, I normally really don't like the shorter reviews.
08/31/2013
Rossie Rossie
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Originally posted by Sincerely Yours, N
I agree with Js250 and Property of Potter. I find longer reviews much more informative. Even though they sometimes seem like everyone is saying the same things about the controls, size, material, and such, often times people include certain things ... More
I feel the same way also. One thing special about Eden is the detailed reviews, you won't find too many of those helpful reviews on other sites.
08/31/2013
Pete's Princess Pete's Princess
I hope that the new review format takes out some of the redundant information but includes what is important. I have seen many short reviews tell about the wild night the reviewer had with the product and it has no real information in it. Although it is good to know someone found it pleasing, what I want to know is will it work for me.

Since I do a lot of lingerie reviews I will use that as an example. I am really glad your girlfriend looks hot in the corset and you had amazing sex all night long, but that doesn't help me. What I want to know is how does it fit, what are her measurements and what size did you buy, is it true to size, what cup size range will it fit, what is the length, is it well made, etc.

Perhaps having a summary with some rating scale questions then an area to write longer reviews would be the best of both worlds. Somewhat like the Vrooms scale. For those looking for just the facts, they can refer to the ratings and for those looking for all the details could read on.

The great reviews are what I love about EF and other friends who just shop and don't participate in the forums comment on the great reviews.
08/31/2013
Sincerely Yours, N Sincerely Yours, N
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Originally posted by Rossie
I feel the same way also. One thing special about Eden is the detailed reviews, you won't find too many of those helpful reviews on other sites.
Exactly! Heck, I joined Eden because I saw and really enjoyed the detailed reviews. That's why I'm active on Eden and not on other sites, and why my reviews are exclusively posted here. They're incredibly useful for me to real when picking out a product.
08/31/2013
js250 js250
Sorry to post again, but while reading the reviews on other sites--they are just small and brief snippets on the item. I would never buy an item that has been reviewed in that manner since I can get that off the product page, but I would and have bought many items from EF from the longer and more descriptive reviews. That is one thing that set EF apart from the other review sites--the more detailed reviews that make you feel like you almost know the item without seeing it...but I am also a tightwad and buy items I am reasonably sure of due to researching them extensively if they are over $50, too!!
09/06/2013
MistressDandelion MistressDandelion
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Originally posted by Gluesnffr
I would appreciate having the mentor program back. I'm not too crazy about all these new changes.
Same. I was going to write the exact same thing, in the exact same words. Having a mentor made me grow as a reviewer, and made me thrive for very descriptive reviews, semi-objective, semi-subjective. I think we can expect lower quality reviews now the program is gone.
09/07/2013
Lucifer the Cat Lucifer the Cat
I really liked the mentor program!! It was super helpful to me as a new reviewer.
09/18/2013
Pete's Princess Pete's Princess
Please bring the mentor program back. There are a lot of new reviewers who could really benefit from the program.
10/03/2013
yolo yolo
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Originally posted by Pete's Princess
How many of you miss the mentor program? I thought it was a great program and I learned a lot being a student. I also feel that those who went through the program were much better reviewers. Yes there were a few mentors who did not take it ... More
I am new to the site and was reading about the mentor program, I was hoping to sign up for it. Please consider reinstating the program for newcomers like myself that would like to get involved with the community and reviews.
11/04/2013
Slutty Girl Problems Slutty Girl Problems
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Originally posted by Pete's Princess
How many of you miss the mentor program? I thought it was a great program and I learned a lot being a student. I also feel that those who went through the program were much better reviewers. Yes there were a few mentors who did not take it ... More
I wish it was back!!! There is so much I could have learned, and wish I had learned, through having a mentor. Everytime Wicked Wahine edits me, she gives me FABULOUS feedback about things I may have missed, or gotten wrong... but other editors don't give me any feedback, and I know I could be learning a lot more. I would love for it to come back, even now that I'm an approved reviewer! I would definitely use it to learn more.
11/04/2013
Slutty Girl Problems Slutty Girl Problems
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Originally posted by Pete's Princess
I hope that the new review format takes out some of the redundant information but includes what is important. I have seen many short reviews tell about the wild night the reviewer had with the product and it has no real information in it. Although ... More
I couldn't agree more!!! The more detailed and helpful reviews, the better. I've gotten nearly ALL of my toys after thoroughly reading detailed reviews - and even continue to read the reviews after buying the toy so I can discover new uses, cleaning methods, or functions I wasn't aware of. It would be really sad to see the review format change. I choose Eden Fantasy's BECAUSE of the amazing reviews - otherwise, there are 100's of other sites offering the same products!! The review system is what makes this site unique, and has customers coming back for more.
11/04/2013
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Slutty Girl Problems
I couldn't agree more!!! The more detailed and helpful reviews, the better. I've gotten nearly ALL of my toys after thoroughly reading detailed reviews - and even continue to read the reviews after buying the toy so I can discover new uses, ... More
The job of a mentor was initially designed to help people cultivate their writing skills in a succinct way. There are many reviews where people repeat a variant of the same information in different sections of a review. There are only so many times a reader wants to hear that something is cylindrical or not made for anal play. "Detailed and helpful" and "long-winded" are not synonymous.

If a potential customer clicks off the review, that does neither the toy nor the review justice and it can cause the author to wonder just what it was they've done wrong when there are no votes or comments on the review.

A review is meant to grab the customer's attention; hold it, then allow the person to make a decision based on all of the information presented.

Reviews should not contain "I" statements, except for the in the experience section.

However, it can be really difficult to build a review from the ground up when you've never used that toy before and it becomes more difficult when you write reviews on the same products again and again.

This is why we're looking at completely redesigning the templates, putting in clearer instructions for the text while allowing a mix of very short reviews -- more like testimonials -- and lengthier reviews.
11/04/2013
Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
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Originally posted by Slutty Girl Problems
I wish it was back!!! There is so much I could have learned, and wish I had learned, through having a mentor. Everytime Wicked Wahine edits me, she gives me FABULOUS feedback about things I may have missed, or gotten wrong... but other editors ... More
Aww, thank you for the nod, SGP! You do a great job and have improved really quickly. I like to let people know about things I change if it will help them in a future review, or is a repeated mistake, say a misspelling. I know I would wonder why something was changed in my review if I read it and noticed alterations, so I like to let the reviewer know when I make more significant changes, as a courtesy. I would like to help more, but it's just not possible sometimes (nor really welcome by most reviewers, sorry to say). The editor's job is to proof read, check facts and check for plagiarism, but I do more than I am required and I have seen some other editors such as Lucifer the Cat leave excellent comments for the reviewer, so I know some others do this as well.

Just realize that the editors who don't give feedback are still doing their job, so I didn't want anyone thinking because I did a little more that is was supposed to be that way; it's not really our job description. But when I see something that could so easily improve someone's review or have to change something that I know will crop up again in future reviews, I can't help but say something to help. Anyone who wants any advice or help, please feel free to contact me and I will try to help (but I was not a mentor, just so you know -- the program ended before I would have been eligible.)
11/04/2013
Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
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Originally posted by Ansley
The job of a mentor was initially designed to help people cultivate their writing skills in a succinct way. There are many reviews where people repeat a variant of the same information in different sections of a review. There are only so many times ... More
Thanks, Stormy! I SO look forward to the changes and thank you for detailing a little more about what we can expect. All I knew before was changes were in the works, but now I am happy to learn some more and see there will be room for both longer and shorter reviews which sounds good to me!
11/04/2013
hut22dunn2 hut22dunn2
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Originally posted by Pete's Princess
How many of you miss the mentor program? I thought it was a great program and I learned a lot being a student. I also feel that those who went through the program were much better reviewers. Yes there were a few mentors who did not take it ... More
Absolutely! I improved SO much on my writing skills and was pushed to create better reviews with more detail. I want this to come back!!
11/07/2013
CinnamonNights CinnamonNights
I think it'd be a good idea to bring the program back. When I first joined this site I was very disappointed to find out that the mentor program was unavailable. I thought it would be interesting to learn from some pros and a fun opportunity to participate in. I think the program would still be great for new reviewers still, and it would provide a bit more direction about what they should include in their reviews. They could maybe even learn something new about materials, lubes, and other such important things about toys. I just think it's something that could help a lot more than hurt.
11/08/2013
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
Thanks, Stormy! I SO look forward to the changes and thank you for detailing a little more about what we can expect. All I knew before was changes were in the works, but now I am happy to learn some more and see there will be room for both longer and ... More
No problem. The reality is we have to focus on what the numbers tell us and if reviews aren't encouraging sales, then changes have to be made.

Not saying this about anyone in particular, or anyone who is still here, but there are a number of people who had no business being mentors. Unfortunately, when the program was designed, there was no way to remove them. There was little, if any, oversight of the job they were doing...all of that needed to change.
11/08/2013
Lucifer the Cat Lucifer the Cat
There are plenty of reviewers on EF who would benefit from being mentored. There's only so much an editor can help with.
11/08/2013
John E W John E W
Hi everyone! I'd like to say bring the mentor review program back along with the points program as well. Just put a limit amount of points or reviews one can do at a time.
I hate to say it but since the changes I have not been here much and have found a Canadian site that ships in canada free!
11/09/2013
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