Character Requirements for Comments?

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Character Requirements for Comments?

lexical lexical
So...I keep getting comments on my reviews and my profile that are just smiley faces. Nothing else. Just...



Or...



Or...



Seriously? Ugh. The simplest solution I can think of for this would be to add a character requirement to the comments? Maybe make it at least 20-30 characters or between 5-10 words? I think that would encourage thoughtful comments, rather than the existing silliness...

I'm always excited to get comments, thinking that it will be encouragement, constructive criticism, or a question I can answer. No such luck. Just these darned smileys...
08/21/2011
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DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
Well, I think that a 15 character minimum would be fine.

I think that requiring five words or ten words is a bit silly, because if I'm not explaining why I voted so low, all I write as my comment is, "Good review."

Because, really, I don't have much to say if it was a good review.
08/21/2011
lexical lexical
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Well, I think that a 15 character minimum would be fine.

I think that requiring five words or ten words is a bit silly, because if I'm not explaining why I voted so low, all I write as my comment is, "Good review." ...
That's a good point. I love getting constructive comments, but simple compliments are appreciated too! More than just a smiley anyway :/...
08/21/2011
sarki sarki
I agree with this cause too many do it on reviews and on products to point farm
08/21/2011
Wild Orchid Wild Orchid
A limit won't help. Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V take the same amount of time, no matter how much text they insert.
08/21/2011
lexical lexical
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Originally posted by Wild Orchid
A limit won't help. Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V take the same amount of time, no matter how much text they insert.
I thought of that. It may discourage them, though.
08/21/2011
Antipova Antipova
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
So...I keep getting comments on my reviews and my profile that are just smiley faces. Nothing else. Just...



Or...



Or...



Seriously? Ugh. The simplest solution I can think of for this would be to add a ...
An automated bot can be made to make comments of any length. While I don't think a 15-character limit would do any harm, I don't think it would do any good, either.
08/21/2011
cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
I just flag them all anymore. If the poster is spamming they will (should) get enough flags and they will get checked out.
08/21/2011
indiglo indiglo
I hate that too. But I guess it's true, a bot can be programmed to leave any kind of comment. I guess flagging them is the best option.
08/21/2011
Ansley Ansley
I think we can all agree that it does not require much effort to leave a smiley face on a review or what have you, but I think it's dangerous to assume that everyone is point-farming when they do it.

A person can be new to the system and just not realize what kind of comments are constructive or may not want to offend or seem ignorant by asking for more information. Creating a character limit is just going to be off-putting and may even drive people off---people who could be a real asset to this community.

Eden staff is well aware of what's going on and there are options to report people you suspect of point farming. Take a look at their profiles and see what kind of activity they've got going on as far as how many people they've followed, how many products they've added as favorites and how many manufacturers they are following. If it seems excessive and there is no other activity, then it might be a good idea to speak up.

Otherwise, let's all be kind to each other and give people the benefit of the doubt shall we? Live and let live.
08/21/2011
potstickers potstickers
I've noticed this annoying behavior spamming up comments on product pages. Most products have smilie after smilie in the comments, which makes it difficult to read the real comments. This is especially annoying since so few comments appear at once.
08/21/2011
lexical lexical
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley
I think we can all agree that it does not require much effort to leave a smiley face on a review or what have you, but I think it's dangerous to assume that everyone is point-farming when they do it.

A person can be new to the system and ...
I never said anything about point farming, myself...I don't care why they're doing it, I just wish they wouldn't. I don't see how a character limit would be off-putting or frightening! This sort of requirement exists when writing reviews for EF, as well as all over other parts of the internet.

Is there a way to flag individual comments on reviews or on product pages? Do you flag the person's profile? I have never done so. Is this sort of behavior grounds for flagging? What are the consequences of a person being flagged?
08/21/2011
Ansley Ansley
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
I never said anything about point farming, myself...I don't care why they're doing it, I just wish they wouldn't. I don't see how a character limit would be off-putting or frightening! This sort of requirement exists when writing ...
This is true, but don't you think it's kind of a trivial thing regardless of the reasons why they may or may not be doing it? Do you get mad at people when they smile at you while you're in public? Water off a duck's back.

There was mention of reworking the point system and that there will be changes coming very soon in the Gift Card Update thread. It takes time to write code and work out bugs in any program and I would imagine even more difficult in a program as comprehensive as this one is.

The Community Planning Meeting thread from last week is focused entirely on changes people are or have been asking for and what the progress of those things are.

Just give EF admins some time to work through these things, I'm sure they have a master plan for the community with really great changes in store for us.
08/21/2011
mama2007 mama2007
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
So...I keep getting comments on my reviews and my profile that are just smiley faces. Nothing else. Just...



Or...



Or...



Seriously? Ugh. The simplest solution I can think of for this would be to add a ...
agreed
08/22/2011
Jul!a Jul!a
I would be ok with seeing the same minimum character requirement in reviews that there is in the forum; 3 characters. Bots might still be able to find a way around that, but it would cut down on some of the just emoticon posts, even if it's just somebody adding "good review."
08/22/2011
cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
I never said anything about point farming, myself...I don't care why they're doing it, I just wish they wouldn't. I don't see how a character limit would be off-putting or frightening! This sort of requirement exists when writing ...
When you see a comment or post there is the option to flag on the right side of it. You simply push flag and you can choose if you think it;s spam or offensive, etc. There is also the option to leave a comment.

If enough people flag something, the person will get checked out. I flagged a couple of smilies on my profile page and they got removed. You can also notify kristi or JR if you suspect someone of doing some serious spamming, either via message or email.
08/22/2011
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by cherryredhead88
When you see a comment or post there is the option to flag on the right side of it. You simply push flag and you can choose if you think it;s spam or offensive, etc. There is also the option to leave a comment.

If enough people flag ...
Just to clarify, you only have to flag an item once and it will be investigated. Multiple flags on the same item actually creates more work for Kristi as she then has to contact each person that created the flag.
08/22/2011
kttynblurbs kttynblurbs
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
So...I keep getting comments on my reviews and my profile that are just smiley faces. Nothing else. Just...



Or...



Or...



Seriously? Ugh. The simplest solution I can think of for this would be to add a ...
I'm of the belief that forcing people to actually think about something is a good thing, and having even just a small character limit would do that. Even if you just stick to "good review" at least the person leaving that comment had to actually stop and think for a moment and decide that it was a good review. If a review is good enough to get a person thinking about if they should get that product or not then it would be nice to know that, in my opinion. I see smileys as being purely lazy. If you take all the time it takes to read a comprehensive review, then it would be nice to show appreciation to the reviewer by leaving a thoughtful comment rather than just a smiley.
08/22/2011
Dawn (Lilac Distraction) Dawn (Lilac Distraction)










I'm just kidding. I can't stand when people simply comment "good review" on mine. I wish they would say something . . . anything . . . to at least indicate that they read the review and aren't just voting and commenting for the points. They're spamming up the product pages, too.

I also think there should be a minimum character count for starting a thread. I'm tired of seeing "Does this work?" threads all over the place.
08/22/2011
cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
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Originally posted by Dawn (Lilac Distraction)










I'm just kidding. I can't stand when people simply comment "good review" on mine. I wish they would say something . . . anything . . . to at least indicate that they read the review and ...
Lol... I thought about doing the smiley thing too.

Ugh now every time I make one I think about this!

Anyways.... I also dislike the short "ty"s and "great review"s because, well, I know it's a good review, the 20 people that voted it U or EU know it's a good review, so why are you telling me?

I thought it was a bad review... that's why I posted it! Lol
08/22/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
I understand it from the spamming point of view, but otherwise, why are our panties in a bunch over a "thank you" or "Good Review" left on the review?

You want to know the #1 reason (aside from time in my day) I don't read and comment on reviews? THIS. These threads. Because I'm not always in the mood to come up with something to say and everyone gets pissy if you say, "Nice job." What if I don't have anything else for you? It's a "Nice Job," or it's a "Good Review."

It used to bug me now, I don't care. I check the comment because I want to make sure no one asks a question. If they don't, I just click out of my review. No harm, no foul. They didn't cause me any grief except a spot in my inbox and 15 seconds of my time. ALL our comments help our rank, so what is the big deal? Does it degrade your review? Does it hurt your feelings?

I want to know who it hurts to get a "Thank you" or "nice review" on your review comments? There are just SO.MANY. more important things in life.
08/22/2011
lexical lexical
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
I understand it from the spamming point of view, but otherwise, why are our panties in a bunch over a "thank you" or "Good Review" left on the review?

You want to know the #1 reason (aside from time in my day) I don't ...
This thread isn't about those short, but sweet comments, although the subject keeps veering that direction I don't mind those comments at all. It's the smileys that irk me, for their laziniess and emptiness. I think kttynblurbs summed up my feelings on this very well.

I didn't realize this would stir up such dramatic feelings in everyone! Yikes. Thank you for commenting and keeping it civil (for the most part).
08/22/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
This thread isn't about those short, but sweet comments, although the subject keeps veering that direction I don't mind those comments at all. It's the smileys that irk me, for their laziniess and emptiness. I think kttynblurbs summed ...
It wasn't directed towards you, really. After almost 11 months of being here, I've come to learn that smileys and comments that aren't review-specific are just part of having a community that is open to everyone. I'm not asking for people to LIKE that part of it, but to understand that it's just part of the territory.

Sapphire Storm hit the nail on the head when she talked about it being off-putting. This has been discussed, to a degree, in several other threads. The thing is this: controlling what people can or cannot say, how long it has to be, and whether or not what was said is useful makes people feel like their input isn't appreciated. Even if it is "lazy" or "pointless." If it's not a bot, the people who posted it didn't feel it was pointless or lazy. They already took (if they actually did it) 5-15 minutes to read your review. They voted on it. And whether it was for points, or just to be nice, decided to put something in the comment box.

Regardless of the content, all comments on your review help you out. So it's really of little consequence if it's a smiley, a 5-word comment, or a 3 paragraph critique.
08/22/2011
K101 K101
I would definitely think that people are abusing the points system. Honestly, that's pathetic! If it's the same people, that's probably what they're doing. I guess I'd not think much of it unless it kept happening over and over then I might would call them out on it or post here like you did and I hope that helps. They should be ashamed!
08/31/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by K101
I would definitely think that people are abusing the points system. Honestly, that's pathetic! If it's the same people, that's probably what they're doing. I guess I'd not think much of it unless it kept happening over and over ...
NO ONE should be called out publicly. If you are concerned that people are abusing the points system, flag them for "Spam" and Kristi will look into it. Whatever action is taken from that point is up to the discretion of the staff. (which I am not)

It's completely unacceptable to publicly humiliate someone to make your point.
08/31/2011
Ansley Ansley
Carrie Ann really said it best in the Gift Card thread that these people you suspect of point farming still serve a purpose in the community and what not and Eden will deal with it when and as they see fit.
08/31/2011
Jul!a Jul!a
Quote:
Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
NO ONE should be called out publicly. If you are concerned that people are abusing the points system, flag them for "Spam" and Kristi will look into it. Whatever action is taken from that point is up to the discretion of the staff. (which ...
As a staff member, I second this. If you (anybody) see something that you think is spam or an abuse of the points system, either flag it or email Kristi with links. As mentioned in a few other places, sometimes things may look like spam to you (general you) when they're actually legitimate postings. Do not under any circumstances publicly call somebody out on anything. It is completely uncalled for, and everything can be handled privately.
08/31/2011
Nora Nora
If/when I bother to leave a comment, I spend way too much time on them! I like to point out my favorite or least favorite part (sometimes both)! I assume we all use a program like Microsoft Word to write our reviews in (because that is what I do), or at minimum, use Firefox (which has a built in spell check) as we type here.

The "funny" typos I will mention, the reviews overrun with them though, I just mark that in the "editing" portion of the rating system (no way to tell them why I think the edit job sucked though?).

Also, if there is a specific "thing" that made me think "this is a great review", I will mention that too. That way the writer can continue or discontinue a writing behavior as is fitting for the current review from past reviews.

A smiley doesn't tell me if they liked it or not...it tells me they are leaving a comment so they get those 3 points.
08/31/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
Quote:
Originally posted by Nora
If/when I bother to leave a comment, I spend way too much time on them! I like to point out my favorite or least favorite part (sometimes both)! I assume we all use a program like Microsoft Word to write our reviews in (because that is what I do), ...
Does it really matter if they liked it or not? If they voted EU or U then they liked it, sure, they get 3 points. Are you telling me that you've never done ANYTHING just for a few points on the site? I have. I suspect EVERYONE has.

That matter aside, you can private message an editor with a link to the review if you have concerns. I would suggest making sure that it's an "edit" job and not a mentor. A mentor doesn't have to correct grammar. And though a lot of them do have great grammar skills, that's not always the case.
08/31/2011
tooshy tooshy
so my first thought was to leave a smiley on this question....but I actually like reading real comments that let me know someone really read my review.
08/31/2011
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