EF State of the Community Address - 2014

Ansley Ansley
Hello, everyone!

The last week or so, the majority of the traffic on the forum has been directed towards one post regarding how the community used to be and what can be done to bring it back to the height of participation -- which was around the end of 2011 through the end of 2012. There are many new and returning members participating in the forum and I would like to take a moment to address a few things.

It seems most are genuinely concerned about the community itself, not just the changes in 2013. This is a good thing and we'll always encourage discussions on how to get more people involved in meaningful ways.


The EF community was originally designed to help educate people who were new to the site and the reviewing program, as well as provide a place for all of us to socialize with each other regarding just about any topic you can imagine. This is still its intended purpose.

In 2012, members of the community started asking for ways to curb point farming -- unfortunately, there were no other alternatives but to curb point accumulation for everyone at the same time. This was a business decision, it was not a personal decision nor a reflection of how EF feels about the community in general.

We are down to one part-time community admin, (that's me). I would love to throw the parties the way we did in the good ol' days. The overall lack of participation and the difficulty in moving on from the 2013 changes makes justifying those events rather difficult.

There is a marked uptick in participation this past week than from the months following the 2013 announcement regarding points. It pales in comparison to what the forum used to be. If we simply doubled those numbers we would be on a good start to getting back to where we were when we had fun, exciting things going on every week.

If you are truly invested in what the community is and can become, this is how you can help...

- Be Involved: The EF Community needs lots of tender, loving care at the moment. Get involved. Write a post on something interesting you noticed a certain toy does or something interesting and discussion-worthy going on in the adult scenes. Or, get a little more personal and write a post about how you were just about to see stars when the dog let out the loudest, nastiest fart you’ve ever heard or smelled in your life and you’re not sure you can ever have an orgasm again. Ask for advice on awkward situations, take polls to see what the members' views are on an activity or whatever comes to mind.

- Be Patient: It’s going to take some time to recover. Each week, I see the numbers increase. This gives me hope that we’re headed in the right direction.

- Be Social: Feel free to share links and posts on social media sites you use. If you see an exceptionally friendly face in the forum and would like to get to know them better, send them a message on their wall. I bet it will make their day.

- Post Constructively: Ask leading questions instead of merely expressing an opinion, this is what leads to proactive discussions. If you would like to discuss a perceived problem, please list suggestions on ways to improve it.

- Review to Educate: Reviews are the number one tool we all have to help others explore their own sexual needs and desires. Write reviews because you want to educate others on the benefits of toys while specifically giving an account of the pros and cons you experienced with that particular toy.

These simple things will help improve the community in so many ways that before you know it, we'll have been so busy with all of the parties and planning that we'll be saying hello to 2015! Are you with me?!

If you have a suggestion or idea, please don't hesitate to send it to me via email or a private message. (stormy@edenfantasys.c om)

Thank you for your time and I look forward to working with you all to make 2014 better than ever before!
Jan 20, 10:01 am
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wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley
Hello, everyone!

The last week or so, the majority of the traffic on the forum has been directed towards one post regarding how the community used to be and what can be done to bring it back to the height of participation -- which was around ... More
Love this! This is definitely where the progress will start!
Jan 20, 2:35 pm
charmedtomeetyou charmedtomeetyou
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Originally posted by Ansley
Hello, everyone!

The last week or so, the majority of the traffic on the forum has been directed towards one post regarding how the community used to be and what can be done to bring it back to the height of participation -- which was around ... More
Aye, Aye!
Jan 20, 2:45 pm
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by wrecklesswords
Love this! This is definitely where the progress will start!
I hope so. Trust me, I miss it all just as much as everyone else does.
Jan 20, 2:46 pm
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by charmedtomeetyou
Aye, Aye!
Glad to see you on board!!
Jan 20, 2:47 pm
Sincerely Yours, N Sincerely Yours, N
Thank you very much for making this! I feel that it's exactly what the community needs in response to that thread. I joined in July, well after much of this drama, and I can say that I've really enjoyed the EF experience and look forward to watching it grow.
Jan 20, 6:11 pm
wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
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Originally posted by Sincerely Yours, N
Thank you very much for making this! I feel that it's exactly what the community needs in response to that thread. I joined in July, well after much of this drama, and I can say that I've really enjoyed the EF experience and look forward to ... More
I'm so glad that you managed to stick with it and us even after such a bad break up haha!
Jan 20, 7:18 pm
BlackOrchid BlackOrchid
Stormy, thanks for this. Small steps. Each day (almost) I try to do something. Responding in a discussion, voting in a poll, commenting on someone's wall or review.
It's just the little things, I feel that will keep things going in the right direction.
Now excuse me, I'm off to look for a review to nominate for the Rumble...
Jan 21, 7:35 am
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Sincerely Yours, N
Thank you very much for making this! I feel that it's exactly what the community needs in response to that thread. I joined in July, well after much of this drama, and I can say that I've really enjoyed the EF experience and look forward to ... More
Most welcome. I'm glad to know you've had a good experience thus far. There's so much potential here, I can't wait to see what happens!
Jan 21, 12:06 pm
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by BlackOrchid
Stormy, thanks for this. Small steps. Each day (almost) I try to do something. Responding in a discussion, voting in a poll, commenting on someone's wall or review.
It's just the little things, I feel that will keep things going in the ... More
That's fantastic! And you're right, it is the little things that will make the biggest difference!
Jan 21, 12:13 pm
Oriental husband and wife Oriental husband and wife
I hope to do my part. I've tried to participate in posts, start a few threads and recently doing reviews. I also hope along the way I have not mis-stepped. I noticed a few months back there were some new members, but for whatever reason they became less active or mia. Also notice some members are trying to stay active everyday. Glad to see that !

I would like to thank members like Rossie, Wicked Wahnine, Edeneve,Gunsmoke, and Sincerly Yours, N for encouraging and helping me since we joined.

O.H.
Jan 21, 3:15 pm
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Oriental husband and wife
I hope to do my part. I've tried to participate in posts, start a few threads and recently doing reviews. I also hope along the way I have not mis-stepped. I noticed a few months back there were some new members, but for whatever reason they ... More
I think you're doing great! I've really enjoyed your responses to the discussions. Keep it up!
Jan 22, 11:17 am
Sincerely Yours, N Sincerely Yours, N
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Originally posted by Oriental husband and wife
I hope to do my part. I've tried to participate in posts, start a few threads and recently doing reviews. I also hope along the way I have not mis-stepped. I noticed a few months back there were some new members, but for whatever reason they ... More
Oh, thank you so much for mentioning me! I'm very touched. : )
Jan 22, 11:37 am
B8trDude B8trDude
Wow! This site really has changed, a LOT. I didn't find that thread that was just closed to be overly critical - I thought it was useful. As a longtime reviewer who has been off the board for the past year, I've just been rather shocked by all that's occurred. Indeed, I was completely unaware of what happened. I am, however, extremely disappointed to learn that I have nearly 67,700 points that I worked very hard to earn (no, I was not a point farmer and opposed that practice), but have now learned that those points are essentially useless. As a male reviewer, we often did not have as many products to write about but I put a lot of effort into what I wrote (most reviews would take several hours to write). Some of them may even be among the most rated of all reviews - for example, my review of the RealTouch (which I did not like) received 168 "extremely useful" votes. I am also surprised to find that nearly all of the truly great reviewers are completely gone. That is also a real shame as they contributed so much.

In regard to the point situation, that came as a complete surprise to me too - I didn't know about it until very recently. In fact, I missed the great watershed of 2013 as I had a busy year. For some unknown reason, I stopped receiving e-mails from EF and also did not receive any notices. I don't know what happened but the changes have been enormous. I used to haunt EF just because it was so much fun and, for the most part, everyone was very friendly. It would appear that EF is currently experiencing a lot of problems as traffic has declined so dramatically as attested by the information on Alexa that shows a significant plunge in EFs ranking of visitors.

Alexa

Anyway, for what it's worth, it was just a great surprise to come back and find that so many of the very active and helpful people are gone. This is not to say that new folks aren't just as friendly but it's disappointing to see so many others gone. While the bottom line is that EF exists to make money and the point situation must have gotten completely out-of-hand, there are now few new reviews that interest me and it's also much harder to find them, especially since I'm interested in toys for men.
Jan 22, 3:04 pm
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by B8trDude
Wow! This site really has changed, a LOT. I didn't find that thread that was just closed to be overly critical - I thought it was useful. As a longtime reviewer who has been off the board for the past year, I've just been rather shocked by ... More
I would be more than happy to discuss this with you one on one. Feel free to send me a private message.

This thread is for proactive suggestions and ideas on things we can do together as a community. If you have any suggestions or ideas, please feel free to leave them here. Subsequent comments regarding the changes that do not include proactive statements will be removed from this discussion. Thank you!
Jan 22, 3:58 pm
Oriental husband and wife Oriental husband and wife
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Originally posted by Sincerely Yours, N
Oh, thank you so much for mentioning me! I'm very touched. : )
You are very welcomed.
Jan 22, 4:10 pm
Oriental husband and wife Oriental husband and wife
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Originally posted by Ansley
I think you're doing great! I've really enjoyed your responses to the discussions. Keep it up!
Thank you so much. Coming from you, I feel good !
Jan 22, 4:11 pm
Maxim Maxim
Hello Everyone!

If there are any questions regarding products currently offered on EdenFantasys, please feel free to reach out to me and I will do my best to answer all questions.

Have fun!

Best regards,

Maxim
Jan 22, 4:14 pm
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Oriental husband and wife
Thank you so much. Coming from you, I feel good !
It's a lot to take in, I know. When I first joined I was really overwhelmed myself. You've got the hang of most of it and if you ever have questions just shout!
Jan 22, 4:22 pm
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Maxim
Hello Everyone!

If there are any questions regarding products currently offered on EdenFantasys, please feel free to reach out to me and I will do my best to answer all questions.

Have fun!

Best regards,

Maxim
Thanks, Max!
Jan 22, 4:22 pm
wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
Quote:
Originally posted by Maxim
Hello Everyone!

If there are any questions regarding products currently offered on EdenFantasys, please feel free to reach out to me and I will do my best to answer all questions.

Have fun!

Best regards,

Maxim
Thank you so much!
Jan 22, 8:05 pm
Missy27 Missy27
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley
Hello, everyone!

The last week or so, the majority of the traffic on the forum has been directed towards one post regarding how the community used to be and what can be done to bring it back to the height of participation -- which was around ... More
Thanks Stormy! This was great! And I am so happy that you are still on board as an admin. Looking forward to the future of Eden and its community.
Jan 25, 12:31 pm
conserend conserend
just to start off, points covering only 15% of your order is an insult to all the users who have put time into this website. This is the cruelest thing that you could have done to your customers. I say cruel because those people, your lost community, as you call it, worked for those points. Yes, worked. They spent time out of their day to be on your website doing things for you,Edenfantasys.com, aka Web Merchants. Your company has used people to work on your site for points, not money, just points .Edenfantasys put a value on those points by converting them into gift cards for your website at the rate of 1 Edenfantasys point equaling 1 U.S. penny. You paid people in points to build your website. Then later down the road you screwed them over by lowering the value of the points, by limiting them to 15% of their order, or by just plain making them disappear. I say 15% is a joke because you can save more than 15% by buying the same products from another website. For example: the Vanity Vr5.5 rabbit vibrator. Eden price is $148.99, Amazon is $99.33. Look it up. I would post a link but I don't want Eden to have an excuse to shut me down. So, we would save 66% off your item by buying elsewhere. I would laugh at the absurdity of this, but the fact that so many people did not get paid for their services is no laughing matter. As a matter of fact, there has been talk on the forums that people are actually looking into taking Edenfantasys to court for their wrong doings.

Now let’s talk about the absurd grounds from which you, Eden, are trying to justify your actions. Eden calls it point farming. What is point farming? Eden says it is any action that is done to make points and brings no value to the community. Let’s be real – by value of the community what you mean is the monetary value of the website. Just the wording you use proves that you want people using the point program to improve the website in exchange for points. Also, Eden sets the rules on what users get paid for, how much they get paid, and the max amount of times we can get paid for it. So, if Eden said that a user can make 5 Eden points for liking an item that they sell, but there is no limit, and that user liked 100 items and made 500 Eden points, whose fault is that? Eden or the user? I say Eden is responsible, because you have the ability to set a limit if you don’t need 100 likes from the user. I don't see how you can justify not paying someone for their services just because you failed to set the limits you required. If you don’t, or did not, want someone to like 5 of your items per day on Facebook, then don’t say that you will pay them for 5 Facebook likes. I don't know how anyone can be so inconsiderate of other peoples’ time. Do you think that people would take time out of their day to do things such as, but not limited to, liking items on Facebook, if there was no incentive to do so? No!

You need to wake up and realize that you messed up and you need to make it right. Just because the company was mislead, and mistakes were made in upper management, does not justify not paying any one for their services. Let’s be real, if you had to pay all the users for the time they put in to help build your website in real money, it would cost many more times the amount that you paid in fake Eden point money. So, realize that those people worked for your fake money and the very least you should do is pay them their fake money. Otherwise, they will leave and continue to leave just like they’re doing now. And a word of advice - you should not only give the community members their fake Eden money back, but you should apologize for all the headache you caused them and ask them to please give you another chance. If you can’t put your pride away and realize that sometimes you make mistakes, you will lose those people for good. Any good business knows that you always invest in the people who make your business grow because without them you fail. You are losing customers by the thousands and potential new customers are not happy with what they see when they discover Edenfantasys.


Edenfantasys needs help. I would love to give you more advice but I don't work for free. Message me If you want my professional advice and are willing to pay me for my time.
Jan 25, 2:17 pm
wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
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Originally posted by conserend
just to start off, points covering only 15% of your order is an insult to all the users who have put time into this website. This is the cruelest thing that you could have done to your customers. I say cruel because those people, your lost community, ... More
As an avid amazon.com user, I would like to point out that comparing the prices of Eden's products to the prices of amazon products is unequal.

Amazon.com warehouse and individual sellers are KNOWN for having rock bottom prices on a myriad of items. Comparing the price of the same item on a different sex toy website would be more accurate.

Second of all, I agree that people did work very hard to earn the points that they got on this website before. I know a lot of stay-at-home spouses/parents considered it to be their "job" or similar. However, things change all the time in the business world, and the fact that none of us are filed away as employees or individual contractors means that quite frankly, Eden can do whatever they wish with their optional bonuses for their site's users.

Do I think that 15% is kind of sucky? Yes, but it's better than nothing. I have been an employee at companies who offered 5% or 10% employee discounts, or even some that offered no discount at all for their employees.

Yes, that means if we really want something from the site, we will have to pony up more of our own money to do it. And while I think you have a great point on the fact that, in the end, Eden did it to themselves on people who would do every available action every day just to gain points, I also believe you are being unfair.

There were people who would make fake secondary profiles every day just so they could get around the daily limits of points, and THAT is a big reason that being able to use them for 100% of an order. Or people would use their daily forum limits to harass other users, and bullying is not put up with at all, no matter what form it is in.
Jan 25, 3:59 pm
edeneve edeneve
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Originally posted by wrecklesswords
As an avid amazon.com user, I would like to point out that comparing the prices of Eden's products to the prices of amazon products is unequal.

Amazon.com warehouse and individual sellers are KNOWN for having rock bottom prices on a myriad ... More
your reasoning?
Jan 25, 4:16 pm
wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
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Originally posted by edeneve
your reasoning?
I'm not entirely sure I know what you're asking? What part of my reasoning do you mean?
Jan 25, 5:42 pm
Oriental husband and wife Oriental husband and wife
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Originally posted by conserend
just to start off, points covering only 15% of your order is an insult to all the users who have put time into this website. This is the cruelest thing that you could have done to your customers. I say cruel because those people, your lost community, ... More
I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with your thoughts. These are my thoughts: Of course I have already admitted to being a scatter-brain. Now on a more serious note.

EdenFantasys is a business. All businesses need to do what they believe is appropriate at the time. It will be in accordance with their financial situation. Many businesses will promote or discount to generate sales. Yes they gave away a lot. Perhaps it got to a point where it did not make business sense anymore.

One can not say they planned on getting reviews and then dropping the axe at a later date as part of a business plan.

Look at it this way, members had it good, better than they could have elsewhere. Who else or what business does what Eden used to do ? Please name some. Would you rather they continue to give away the store and then go out of business and disappear ?
What other sites create a forum where we can communicate like this ? It does cost money to maintain such a website as this.

Yes, many put a lot of time and efforts into reviewing. I know it took me all day and then some to do a single review. As I understand it the members were allowed to convert points into something when they switched the program. However I'm not sure. It was a good, a no great deal. Work for toys !

Perhaps at some point EF will again revise the point and reward system. They can't give away the store, but they also do need to get sales. Hope that in the future they can spice up the deals. Also I understand advance reviewers can do "Buy Out" and get a good discount. Again I don't really know. You will have to ask Stormy about that.

I've noticed many many of the current reviews are on low cost/end toys. The ones that are more expensive are Eden Sponsored or toys already in their possession. This of course will not help EF's profit margin. They need to sell more expensive toys to make money. So perhaps they will do something in the near future to address this.

Yes prices are lower at other sites. I'm sure EF knows this also. They will have to figure out a way to complete. Myself I purchased a toy for $113 from EF. It was lower at 3 other places including Amazon. I purchased it here because of the reviews posted here. There are reviews on Amazon, but pale compared to the semi professional ones here. I purchased it here due to gratitude and loyalty to the reviews. btw, EF always has slaes and 15% off deals. I think that also is in addition to using your 15% in points.

So what's EF to do ? Hopefully something to get reviews on higher end, more expensive items, but survive. And no doubt, of course they have read all the comments on this thread and others.

Perhaps they should monitor/ look for which members can do great reviews and put them on a elite list. Then once every so often give that elite person a good item to review. It was those type of reviews that drew us to EdenFantasys.

Currently anyone doing 3 reviews on cheapies',lubes,co ndom s,cheap plugs etc. can request advanced status. Really ! lol, who's interested in those items and need to read a review on them ? Well, maybe they are useful. However EF will not make profits selling those low profit items. Does EF want to sell 5-6 cheapies' or more expensive item ?

Having advanced status is fine, maybe EF should have an elite level or even higher. Or maybe give more than 15% to advanced status members. Right now my wife is calling me to eat dinner.


Thanks for reading this, I've not all the answers just opinions.
O.H.
Jan 25, 9:17 pm
wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
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Originally posted by Oriental husband and wife
I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with your thoughts. These are my thoughts: Of course I have already admitted to being a scatter-brain. Now on a more serious note.EdenFantasys is a business. All businesses need to do what they believe is ... More
You are super awesome.
Jan 26, 12:19 am
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by wrecklesswords
You are super awesome.
You both are. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the situation. Both responses are fantastic.

I'd add more but you two pretty much summed it up and there's nothing more that I can add to this particular discussion.
Jan 26, 1:47 pm
wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
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Originally posted by Ansley
You both are. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the situation. Both responses are fantastic.

I'd add more but you two pretty much summed it up and there's nothing more that I can add to this particular discussion.
I'm glad we were able to step in there and provide a well-rounded response in two parts haha.
Jan 26, 9:09 pm
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