Doc Johnson is currently releasing silicone dildos and on their packaging they say their silicone is premium platinum grade silicone. What is the difference between this silicone and the silicone that we are used to from other companies? Is the silicone processed differently? I've heard of medical grade silicone, but I've never heard of any called premium platinum grade before so I'm curious.
I have a question for a Doc Johnson representative or anyone that knows
I would like for Doc Johnson to give an official answer, but I was told (by another source) that items stamped "Medical Grade" silicone are tested / approved /regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). High-purity, platinum-cure silicone is what's used to make "medical grade" silicone, but the "Premium" label doesn't require FDA approval.
07/10/2012
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There's Sil-A-Gel in their silicone? I thought Sil-A-Gel was an additive that was supposed to prevent bacterial growth or something. Does this silicone from DJ have that infamous Sil-A-Gel... uh... aroma, too?
Originally posted by
indiglo
I'm also curious about the silicone, I have 2 Doc Johnson toys that are made of the "premium silicone" and they have the Sil-A-Gel additive in the silicone.
Do all DJ silicone toys have the Sil-A-Gel additive in them? Or just ...
Do all DJ silicone toys have the Sil-A-Gel additive in them? Or just ...
I'm also curious about the silicone, I have 2 Doc Johnson toys that are made of the "premium silicone" and they have the Sil-A-Gel additive in the silicone.
Do all DJ silicone toys have the Sil-A-Gel additive in them? Or just the "premium silicone" toys?
Do all DJ silicone toys have the Sil-A-Gel additive in them? Or just the "premium silicone" toys?
07/11/2012
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Double post.
Originally posted by
indiglo
I'm also curious about the silicone, I have 2 Doc Johnson toys that are made of the "premium silicone" and they have the Sil-A-Gel additive in the silicone.
Do all DJ silicone toys have the Sil-A-Gel additive in them? Or just ...
Do all DJ silicone toys have the Sil-A-Gel additive in them? Or just ...
I'm also curious about the silicone, I have 2 Doc Johnson toys that are made of the "premium silicone" and they have the Sil-A-Gel additive in the silicone.
Do all DJ silicone toys have the Sil-A-Gel additive in them? Or just the "premium silicone" toys?
Do all DJ silicone toys have the Sil-A-Gel additive in them? Or just the "premium silicone" toys?
07/11/2012
I got one of their new dildos in the mail and the whole point in the line is that they're using 'premium' silicone. I found that there was no scent or taste to it (unlike jelly and TPE/TPR.) I also flame tested it (because they were so proud of the silicone they were using.)It did not catch fire from the lighter, and after wiping the light gray ash away the area wasn't tacky, and is just slightly less shiny than the rest of the toy.
These both indicate that it's pure, fairly high quality silicone. Watching this thread for the difference between 'Doc Johnson premium,' 'medical grade,' and 'food grade' silicone, hopefully from a DJ rep.
These both indicate that it's pure, fairly high quality silicone. Watching this thread for the difference between 'Doc Johnson premium,' 'medical grade,' and 'food grade' silicone, hopefully from a DJ rep.
07/11/2012
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Yes, there is Sil-A-Gel in their "Platinum Premium Silicone" series. I discovered this through some research I did when I received 2 of their "Platinum Premium Silicone" series toys as assignments.
Originally posted by
P'Gell
There's Sil-A-Gel in their silicone? I thought Sil-A-Gel was an additive that was supposed to prevent bacterial growth or something. Does this silicone from DJ have that infamous Sil-A-Gel... uh... aroma, too?
On the DJ website, it used to list "Sil-a-Gel" in the materials on the specs for the toy. They have since removed that. However, the "SIL" emblem still remains on the back of the packaging. (As you can see in the pictures in unfulfilled's review here: link ) I think they aren't trying to advertise this fact, but it IS in there.
And yes, it smells. It doesn't smell as bad as the PVC toys with Sil-A-Gel I've gotten from DJ, but it does smell. I also think it's really a silly thing to do, because silicone is already perfect as is.
I've been watching for new reviews on DJ silicone toys, and all the ones I've read have mentioned a smell, but no one knows why. So I'm thinking that it's the Sil-A-Gel additive, and that they're adding it to their entire "Platinum Premium Silicone" series at the very least. I cannot vouch for their other silicone lines.
07/11/2012
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Wow, I had no idea that that's what the SIL on the back meant! I also don't notice that mine smells, but it did have a few hours to air out before I really looked at or used it.
Originally posted by
indiglo
Yes, there is Sil-A-Gel in their "Platinum Premium Silicone" series. I discovered this through some research I did when I received 2 of their "Platinum Premium Silicone" series toys as assignments.
On the DJ website, it ...
On the DJ website, it ...
Yes, there is Sil-A-Gel in their "Platinum Premium Silicone" series. I discovered this through some research I did when I received 2 of their "Platinum Premium Silicone" series toys as assignments.
On the DJ website, it used to list "Sil-a-Gel" in the materials on the specs for the toy. They have since removed that. However, the "SIL" emblem still remains on the back of the packaging. (As you can see in the pictures in unfulfilled's review here: link ) I think they aren't trying to advertise this fact, but it IS in there.
And yes, it smells. It doesn't smell as bad as the PVC toys with Sil-A-Gel I've gotten from DJ, but it does smell. I also think it's really a silly thing to do, because silicone is already perfect as is.
I've been watching for new reviews on DJ silicone toys, and all the ones I've read have mentioned a smell, but no one knows why. So I'm thinking that it's the Sil-A-Gel additive, and that they're adding it to their entire "Platinum Premium Silicone" series at the very least. I cannot vouch for their other silicone lines.
On the DJ website, it used to list "Sil-a-Gel" in the materials on the specs for the toy. They have since removed that. However, the "SIL" emblem still remains on the back of the packaging. (As you can see in the pictures in unfulfilled's review here: link ) I think they aren't trying to advertise this fact, but it IS in there.
And yes, it smells. It doesn't smell as bad as the PVC toys with Sil-A-Gel I've gotten from DJ, but it does smell. I also think it's really a silly thing to do, because silicone is already perfect as is.
I've been watching for new reviews on DJ silicone toys, and all the ones I've read have mentioned a smell, but no one knows why. So I'm thinking that it's the Sil-A-Gel additive, and that they're adding it to their entire "Platinum Premium Silicone" series at the very least. I cannot vouch for their other silicone lines.
Does this make it more porous? Or less body safe? Now I'm worried about my review being inaccurate.
07/11/2012
Hello everyone!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to create the material (And it has no odor or taste – there may be some mild odor from packaging or from shipping, but after washing, it should be fine.).
Platinum-grade is sometimes also referred to medical grade, which I am sure is confusing when doing material research – because even though the material is the same, the terms are not technically interchangeable. Petite Valentine’s response above is completely correct: Medical grade silicone is only marketed as such when the products were made in a sterile “white room” environment. Premium Platinum Grade Silicone is the material used in “medical grade” silicone... but without the FDA’s approval, manufacturers cannot market it / stamp it / label it as such. And as far as I know, no adult product manufacturer has an FDA approved sterile white room.
Regular silicone (not platinum-based), is used in other industries for items such as auto parts, are made with tin; and tin-based silicone should never be used for sexual intimacy products.
A few things to note about Doc’s silicone: We make everything ourselves, right here in North Hollywood – this is hand-poured pure Platinum Silicone, made it its own building, and sold from our location to distributors and retailers. Also, we have a fully accredited fulltime Chemist and Director of Scientific Affairs on staff, and a fully equipped multiple room laboratory in its own building as well… so, any claims we make on our packaging has been tested and vetted by professionals that oversee all product development and the maintenance of quality standards. All of our facilities are on one campus, so I can literally just walk over to the production buildings or lab, or molding rooms, or Art Department etc etc from where I am sitting now…and many of our executive staff and sales team members actually do that often – there is a lot of collaboration here.
And thanks to Stormy for giving you guys the heads up.. I am indeed in LA for what is our biggest tradeshow of the year – it’s a crazy busy time for us and we’re excited to be debuting over 100 new products this weekend!
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks so much for reaching out!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to create the material (And it has no odor or taste – there may be some mild odor from packaging or from shipping, but after washing, it should be fine.).
Platinum-grade is sometimes also referred to medical grade, which I am sure is confusing when doing material research – because even though the material is the same, the terms are not technically interchangeable. Petite Valentine’s response above is completely correct: Medical grade silicone is only marketed as such when the products were made in a sterile “white room” environment. Premium Platinum Grade Silicone is the material used in “medical grade” silicone... but without the FDA’s approval, manufacturers cannot market it / stamp it / label it as such. And as far as I know, no adult product manufacturer has an FDA approved sterile white room.
Regular silicone (not platinum-based), is used in other industries for items such as auto parts, are made with tin; and tin-based silicone should never be used for sexual intimacy products.
A few things to note about Doc’s silicone: We make everything ourselves, right here in North Hollywood – this is hand-poured pure Platinum Silicone, made it its own building, and sold from our location to distributors and retailers. Also, we have a fully accredited fulltime Chemist and Director of Scientific Affairs on staff, and a fully equipped multiple room laboratory in its own building as well… so, any claims we make on our packaging has been tested and vetted by professionals that oversee all product development and the maintenance of quality standards. All of our facilities are on one campus, so I can literally just walk over to the production buildings or lab, or molding rooms, or Art Department etc etc from where I am sitting now…and many of our executive staff and sales team members actually do that often – there is a lot of collaboration here.
And thanks to Stormy for giving you guys the heads up.. I am indeed in LA for what is our biggest tradeshow of the year – it’s a crazy busy time for us and we’re excited to be debuting over 100 new products this weekend!
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks so much for reaching out!
07/12/2012
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Thanks V, I could not figure out why silicone would have Sil-A-Gel mixed in.
Originally posted by
Victoria
Hello everyone!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to ...
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to ...
Hello everyone!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to create the material (And it has no odor or taste – there may be some mild odor from packaging or from shipping, but after washing, it should be fine.).
Platinum-grade is sometimes also referred to medical grade, which I am sure is confusing when doing material research – because even though the material is the same, the terms are not technically interchangeable. Petite Valentine’s response above is completely correct: Medical grade silicone is only marketed as such when the products were made in a sterile “white room” environment. Premium Platinum Grade Silicone is the material used in “medical grade” silicone... but without the FDA’s approval, manufacturers cannot market it / stamp it / label it as such. And as far as I know, no adult product manufacturer has an FDA approved sterile white room.
Regular silicone (not platinum-based), is used in other industries for items such as auto parts, are made with tin; and tin-based silicone should never be used for sexual intimacy products.
A few things to note about Doc’s silicone: We make everything ourselves, right here in North Hollywood – this is hand-poured pure Platinum Silicone, made it its own building, and sold from our location to distributors and retailers. Also, we have a fully accredited fulltime Chemist and Director of Scientific Affairs on staff, and a fully equipped multiple room laboratory in its own building as well… so, any claims we make on our packaging has been tested and vetted by professionals that oversee all product development and the maintenance of quality standards. All of our facilities are on one campus, so I can literally just walk over to the production buildings or lab, or molding rooms, or Art Department etc etc from where I am sitting now…and many of our executive staff and sales team members actually do that often – there is a lot of collaboration here.
And thanks to Stormy for giving you guys the heads up.. I am indeed in LA for what is our biggest tradeshow of the year – it’s a crazy busy time for us and we’re excited to be debuting over 100 new products this weekend!
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks so much for reaching out!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to create the material (And it has no odor or taste – there may be some mild odor from packaging or from shipping, but after washing, it should be fine.).
Platinum-grade is sometimes also referred to medical grade, which I am sure is confusing when doing material research – because even though the material is the same, the terms are not technically interchangeable. Petite Valentine’s response above is completely correct: Medical grade silicone is only marketed as such when the products were made in a sterile “white room” environment. Premium Platinum Grade Silicone is the material used in “medical grade” silicone... but without the FDA’s approval, manufacturers cannot market it / stamp it / label it as such. And as far as I know, no adult product manufacturer has an FDA approved sterile white room.
Regular silicone (not platinum-based), is used in other industries for items such as auto parts, are made with tin; and tin-based silicone should never be used for sexual intimacy products.
A few things to note about Doc’s silicone: We make everything ourselves, right here in North Hollywood – this is hand-poured pure Platinum Silicone, made it its own building, and sold from our location to distributors and retailers. Also, we have a fully accredited fulltime Chemist and Director of Scientific Affairs on staff, and a fully equipped multiple room laboratory in its own building as well… so, any claims we make on our packaging has been tested and vetted by professionals that oversee all product development and the maintenance of quality standards. All of our facilities are on one campus, so I can literally just walk over to the production buildings or lab, or molding rooms, or Art Department etc etc from where I am sitting now…and many of our executive staff and sales team members actually do that often – there is a lot of collaboration here.
And thanks to Stormy for giving you guys the heads up.. I am indeed in LA for what is our biggest tradeshow of the year – it’s a crazy busy time for us and we’re excited to be debuting over 100 new products this weekend!
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks so much for reaching out!
Pretty awesome DJ has its own Chemist, makes me feel a whole lot better about your products. I would love to tour the facility some day, bet that would be awesome!
07/12/2012
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How exciting!! I'm sure you're going to have a blast this weekend.
Originally posted by
Victoria
Hello everyone!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to ...
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to ...
Hello everyone!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to create the material (And it has no odor or taste – there may be some mild odor from packaging or from shipping, but after washing, it should be fine.).
Platinum-grade is sometimes also referred to medical grade, which I am sure is confusing when doing material research – because even though the material is the same, the terms are not technically interchangeable. Petite Valentine’s response above is completely correct: Medical grade silicone is only marketed as such when the products were made in a sterile “white room” environment. Premium Platinum Grade Silicone is the material used in “medical grade” silicone... but without the FDA’s approval, manufacturers cannot market it / stamp it / label it as such. And as far as I know, no adult product manufacturer has an FDA approved sterile white room.
Regular silicone (not platinum-based), is used in other industries for items such as auto parts, are made with tin; and tin-based silicone should never be used for sexual intimacy products.
A few things to note about Doc’s silicone: We make everything ourselves, right here in North Hollywood – this is hand-poured pure Platinum Silicone, made it its own building, and sold from our location to distributors and retailers. Also, we have a fully accredited fulltime Chemist and Director of Scientific Affairs on staff, and a fully equipped multiple room laboratory in its own building as well… so, any claims we make on our packaging has been tested and vetted by professionals that oversee all product development and the maintenance of quality standards. All of our facilities are on one campus, so I can literally just walk over to the production buildings or lab, or molding rooms, or Art Department etc etc from where I am sitting now…and many of our executive staff and sales team members actually do that often – there is a lot of collaboration here.
And thanks to Stormy for giving you guys the heads up.. I am indeed in LA for what is our biggest tradeshow of the year – it’s a crazy busy time for us and we’re excited to be debuting over 100 new products this weekend!
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks so much for reaching out!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to create the material (And it has no odor or taste – there may be some mild odor from packaging or from shipping, but after washing, it should be fine.).
Platinum-grade is sometimes also referred to medical grade, which I am sure is confusing when doing material research – because even though the material is the same, the terms are not technically interchangeable. Petite Valentine’s response above is completely correct: Medical grade silicone is only marketed as such when the products were made in a sterile “white room” environment. Premium Platinum Grade Silicone is the material used in “medical grade” silicone... but without the FDA’s approval, manufacturers cannot market it / stamp it / label it as such. And as far as I know, no adult product manufacturer has an FDA approved sterile white room.
Regular silicone (not platinum-based), is used in other industries for items such as auto parts, are made with tin; and tin-based silicone should never be used for sexual intimacy products.
A few things to note about Doc’s silicone: We make everything ourselves, right here in North Hollywood – this is hand-poured pure Platinum Silicone, made it its own building, and sold from our location to distributors and retailers. Also, we have a fully accredited fulltime Chemist and Director of Scientific Affairs on staff, and a fully equipped multiple room laboratory in its own building as well… so, any claims we make on our packaging has been tested and vetted by professionals that oversee all product development and the maintenance of quality standards. All of our facilities are on one campus, so I can literally just walk over to the production buildings or lab, or molding rooms, or Art Department etc etc from where I am sitting now…and many of our executive staff and sales team members actually do that often – there is a lot of collaboration here.
And thanks to Stormy for giving you guys the heads up.. I am indeed in LA for what is our biggest tradeshow of the year – it’s a crazy busy time for us and we’re excited to be debuting over 100 new products this weekend!
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks so much for reaching out!
Thank you for taking the time to explain this so thoroughly despite the chaos, it is very much appreciated.
I never knew that about the white room requirements. When I think of a sex toy factory, that's not typically what comes to mind.
07/12/2012
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Thank you for this response! I was hoping the answer would be here by the time I was going to write my review.
Originally posted by
Victoria
Hello everyone!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to ...
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to ...
Hello everyone!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to create the material (And it has no odor or taste – there may be some mild odor from packaging or from shipping, but after washing, it should be fine.).
Platinum-grade is sometimes also referred to medical grade, which I am sure is confusing when doing material research – because even though the material is the same, the terms are not technically interchangeable. Petite Valentine’s response above is completely correct: Medical grade silicone is only marketed as such when the products were made in a sterile “white room” environment. Premium Platinum Grade Silicone is the material used in “medical grade” silicone... but without the FDA’s approval, manufacturers cannot market it / stamp it / label it as such. And as far as I know, no adult product manufacturer has an FDA approved sterile white room.
Regular silicone (not platinum-based), is used in other industries for items such as auto parts, are made with tin; and tin-based silicone should never be used for sexual intimacy products.
A few things to note about Doc’s silicone: We make everything ourselves, right here in North Hollywood – this is hand-poured pure Platinum Silicone, made it its own building, and sold from our location to distributors and retailers. Also, we have a fully accredited fulltime Chemist and Director of Scientific Affairs on staff, and a fully equipped multiple room laboratory in its own building as well… so, any claims we make on our packaging has been tested and vetted by professionals that oversee all product development and the maintenance of quality standards. All of our facilities are on one campus, so I can literally just walk over to the production buildings or lab, or molding rooms, or Art Department etc etc from where I am sitting now…and many of our executive staff and sales team members actually do that often – there is a lot of collaboration here.
And thanks to Stormy for giving you guys the heads up.. I am indeed in LA for what is our biggest tradeshow of the year – it’s a crazy busy time for us and we’re excited to be debuting over 100 new products this weekend!
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks so much for reaching out!
I can clear up the confusion.
Our Platinum Silicone does NOT contain Sil-A-Gel. The 'SIL' stands for 'silicone'. Our Platinum line is platinum-grade silicone, which refers to the platinum base used to create the material (And it has no odor or taste – there may be some mild odor from packaging or from shipping, but after washing, it should be fine.).
Platinum-grade is sometimes also referred to medical grade, which I am sure is confusing when doing material research – because even though the material is the same, the terms are not technically interchangeable. Petite Valentine’s response above is completely correct: Medical grade silicone is only marketed as such when the products were made in a sterile “white room” environment. Premium Platinum Grade Silicone is the material used in “medical grade” silicone... but without the FDA’s approval, manufacturers cannot market it / stamp it / label it as such. And as far as I know, no adult product manufacturer has an FDA approved sterile white room.
Regular silicone (not platinum-based), is used in other industries for items such as auto parts, are made with tin; and tin-based silicone should never be used for sexual intimacy products.
A few things to note about Doc’s silicone: We make everything ourselves, right here in North Hollywood – this is hand-poured pure Platinum Silicone, made it its own building, and sold from our location to distributors and retailers. Also, we have a fully accredited fulltime Chemist and Director of Scientific Affairs on staff, and a fully equipped multiple room laboratory in its own building as well… so, any claims we make on our packaging has been tested and vetted by professionals that oversee all product development and the maintenance of quality standards. All of our facilities are on one campus, so I can literally just walk over to the production buildings or lab, or molding rooms, or Art Department etc etc from where I am sitting now…and many of our executive staff and sales team members actually do that often – there is a lot of collaboration here.
And thanks to Stormy for giving you guys the heads up.. I am indeed in LA for what is our biggest tradeshow of the year – it’s a crazy busy time for us and we’re excited to be debuting over 100 new products this weekend!
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks so much for reaching out!
07/20/2012
annabelle37
Also: Platinum silicone refers to platinum cured silicone.
Generally, platinum cure silicones will have better tensile strength and elongation properties than peroxide cure silicones.
For the nerds: Peroxide or Platinum? Cure System Considerations for Silicone Tubing Applications
Peroxide cured silicones have to be heated to remove the catalyst (peroxide).
Platinum silicones do not have to be heated to remove the cure catalyst (platinum). Platinum-cured silicone offers a smoother surface that resists sticking, encrustation, and bacteria
growth.
It's a lot of sciency-wiency stuff, but true platinum cured silicone is safer than peroxide cured silicone.. and as safe as silicone can be without being labeled medical grade. The only "downside" to this is that platinum is more expensive than the peroxides used in curing lower end silicone products, so for a platinum silicone you will pay a higher price.
Generally, platinum cure silicones will have better tensile strength and elongation properties than peroxide cure silicones.
For the nerds: Peroxide or Platinum? Cure System Considerations for Silicone Tubing Applications
Peroxide cured silicones have to be heated to remove the catalyst (peroxide).
Platinum silicones do not have to be heated to remove the cure catalyst (platinum). Platinum-cured silicone offers a smoother surface that resists sticking, encrustation, and bacteria
growth.
It's a lot of sciency-wiency stuff, but true platinum cured silicone is safer than peroxide cured silicone.. and as safe as silicone can be without being labeled medical grade. The only "downside" to this is that platinum is more expensive than the peroxides used in curing lower end silicone products, so for a platinum silicone you will pay a higher price.
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