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Ways to fix eden

Taylor Taylor
I don't know if I have any good ideas, but I am glad to see people trying to work together to make things work again.

The points system obviously wasn't working since it was too easy to get free items. So there I guess there can either be a revamp of the points system, or it can be scrapped altogether and maybe a new rewards program could be started.

Some ideas if points are scrapped would be to use gift cards as rewards, such as perhaps a $25 gift card for every 5 useful or extremely useful reviews submitted. Or maybe another idea that would promote high quality content.

If the points program is to stay, the points need to be rationed better. Some ways to do that are to make points harder to get, decrease their value, limit the frequency of their use such as only allowing the purchase of one item per month or quarter with points, or the system that is currently in place of only allowing a certain percentage of the purchase to be used and perhaps that percentage could be tiered with rank or # of reviews or something.

I know everyone is asking to use their points for one last purchase, but I feel like so many people cashing in at once would really rattle things even more since Eden would be hemorrhaging so much money at once, so I don't feel like that would be a feasible option.
06/21/2013
mpfm mpfm
Thanks for posting to the thread, Fred.

I don't have an original idea. I wanted to second Taylor's idea from this thread. It would be nice to do a buyout once a month using 100% points. If it was capped at once a month that *might* be sustainable. Of course, I don't know how bad things are...I think the current point allotment on the dashboard is fair.

I have never been an editor, but it sounds like a lot of work. You might get more willing editors if that was paid in gift cards that could be used as 100% cash equivalent.
06/21/2013
eri86 eri86
Quote:
Originally posted by mpfm
Thanks for posting to the thread, Fred.

I don't have an original idea. I wanted to second Taylor's idea from this thread. It would be nice to do a buyout once a month using 100% points. If it was capped at once a month that *might* be ...
I also like the idea of being allowed to buy ONE toy a month using all points.
06/21/2013
Taylor Taylor
Quote:
Originally posted by Taylor
I don't know if I have any good ideas, but I am glad to see people trying to work together to make things work again.

The points system obviously wasn't working since it was too easy to get free items. So there I guess there can either ...
And I don't really know what I am talking about. I am just pulling ideas out of my ass. I'm very good at coming up with lost of ideas, but not very good at knowing what ideas are good lol
06/21/2013
Taylor Taylor
Quote:
Originally posted by eri86
I also like the idea of being allowed to buy ONE toy a month using all points.
I do think you should have to review it before getting another free or points toy just like with assignments, that would keep a lot of people from abusing the "free" items
06/21/2013
Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
Quote:
Originally posted by Taylor
I do think you should have to review it before getting another free or points toy just like with assignments, that would keep a lot of people from abusing the "free" items
I love your idea about the once a month cap on using 100% of your points! I think it's fine to brainstorm and it's certainly harder than sitting around poking holes in other's ideas, so good for you!

I think the free assignments should stop, too. at least until the re-structuring happens. If it continues, then your idea is great.
06/21/2013
Real or memorex Real or memorex
Quote:
Originally posted by Taylor
I do think you should have to review it before getting another free or points toy just like with assignments, that would keep a lot of people from abusing the "free" items
^ This, combined with your time restrictions idea (once/month), and a requirement that the review achieve a certain quality rating (useful/extremely useful?) in order to continue to qualify for the monthly points buyout, might help get abuse under control.
06/21/2013
Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
Not trying to be a dick here, but if somebody at Admin level had approached the issues with a thread like this to begin with ("Hey Eden, we're in trouble, how can we fix it?") there wouldn't be so much hate circulating. Just sayin. That said...

1. Stop Giving Away the Business. I said it in another post and I'll say it again; go back to basics, like it was in 2009. Give a free toy in exchange for a review. Period. Ditch the points program right now as it applies to reviews BUT let the people who have accumulated points cash them in at 100% value barring the point farmers. If you want to later implement Points/Shoppers Rewards for returning customers, fine. That would be nice, but think along the lines of For every XXX dollars spent you earn XXX cash back points though. It's a nice gesture to give points on top of the free toy, but your reviewers didn't expect or require it back when things were good, and a lot of us would feel that a free toy in exchange for a review is enough now too. Oh, and stop letting every Tom, Dick, and Muffy be a reviewer. Having a big banner on the home page that said Get Free Sex Toys for writing reviews and not screening what was coming in was just inviting trouble. Entry-level reviewers go through the Editor's pool, and that's a good place to weed out the ones who are writing garbage. Give your Editors and Mentors the power to do that. If an Editor comes across poorly written reviews, have them punt the writers (and the review in question) over to a Mentor. If the writer won't put in the effort or the Mentor can't get anywhere with them, then they do not become reviewers. Period. Invite them to leave comments on a product instead... and NOT for points!!

2. Respect the Community. I'm sorry, but there is a major lack of this on the site these days. I remember seeing a post awhile back, written by an Admin, that said something along the lines of what the community wants to see in stock isn't what buyers are looking for. Wrong. Your community IS a large portion of your buying public, or at least it was before every click equaled points. Michele's mom alone used to spend $200-$300 a month here, but when the forums turned into a disrespectful snark fest she took her business somewhere else. She wasn't alone. The points program and plugging free toys for *any* quality of review bombed this site for a lot of people, in a roundabout way. Back in the day Eden was like a big horny family with some of the most loyal community members we've ever seen on any other site, and the forums were a meeting place where we could find useful info and fun conversation. Not a bunch of crap posts like "Who's your favorite Power Ranger?" or one-liner statements that were written only to get points. The community existed because we *wanted* to be here, and nobody needed an incentive to post nor to spend money on the site, or to vote, add things to a wishlist, search, or anything else that people get points for now. Sure, if you ditch the points system right now, some people will leave. But you're losing most of your most solid members right now anyway, and the point-farmers aren't the ones who helped your business grow anyway.

3. Don't Screw the Editors. This is where the points system or gift cards belongs in 100% capacity. If you can't afford to pay staff to edit, then check out what the minimum pay is for editors anywhere else, and compensate your off-staff editors reasonably: with points or cards that they can use at full value.
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I've heard it said that Eden was having trouble competing with Amazon's prices, and that was the reason for all the problems. I don't agree with that. Amazon had better prices on a lot of adult products back when we started here too, yet we and everyone we knew still shopped at EdenFantasys because it *was* the "Sex shop you can trust," complete with a friendly community for help and support, and useful, intelligent reviews. It was not a place where people were afraid to speak their minds (in a respectful manner), fed ongoing dramas, or existed only to abuse a point system. Weeding those things out is all that's going to "fix" Eden, IMO.

~A
06/21/2013
SMichelle SMichelle
Quote:
Originally posted by Fred Petrenko
Hello everyone,

OK, this is finally a thread where we can talk. Thank you everyone for the constructive criticism, thoughts and ideas.
Let me share with you my thoughts and plans.

1. Existing system.
It is broken. It has been for ...
It makes me giggle somewhat to see that you say the system was abused. The system was put in place by you. You even provided a lovely little list of all the tasks that people could do for points, which would naturally encourage people to do those actions. I'm sure it was done with the hopes that people would contribute meaningful content that would help bring in more customers, but how can anyone be shocked that people did just what they could to get points as quickly as possible?

Okay, so now you see the system is broken. Cool. Fix it. But don't screw the contributors that have worked hard to earn their points. There were many things about EF that I loved, but being screwed out of points that I put in a lot of effort earning puts a bad taste in my mouth. For me to spend all of the points that I have rightfully earned, I would have to spend somewhere around $700 in cash. That's never going to happen.

I am here now because I want to help my students who choose to remain (which isn't many of them), and because I still have friends on here that will not leave yet. I'm not sure how long I'll stay; I'm almost positive at this point that I'll never submit another review other than the 5 or 6 buy-outs that I have currently. Will that change if things get better here? Maybe, but I don't see anyway that EF can fix itself now.

I just feel like your company really screwed me. Sure, the system needed to be fixed, but you did it all wrong.
06/21/2013
SMichelle SMichelle
Quote:
Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
I agree with much of this!

The points system should be stopped for now, or use the mechanism that was already in place to change this, the amount the points are worth. Cutting the amount by 50% or more would have resulted in more people ...
In regards to returns -- lingerie returns should still be allowed, in my opinion.
06/21/2013
No-nita No-nita
Quote:
Originally posted by Fred Petrenko
Hello everyone,

OK, this is finally a thread where we can talk. Thank you everyone for the constructive criticism, thoughts and ideas.
Let me share with you my thoughts and plans.

1. Existing system.
It is broken. It has been for ...
If you are GENUINE about going back and considering allowing us use of our

Read all four of the articles I posted. I edited all my content out of my reviews when you pulled your point stunt, but I would happily revert those reviews to their original state if you would like to read them and examine the work that I did.

I spent literal hours every day writing content for this website because I was passionate about contributing here, and that is exactly why I am so angry and, yeah, rude, because it feels like a slap in the face. I think the cases of point farming versus actual effort are very OBVIOUS.

Again, FRED, IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT LOOKING OVER PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL CASES, I would gleefully go back and revert all the 20+ reviews I did in the past two weeks (many of which were approved by my mentor before they went live). I will PM you in hopes that we can pursue this further. I am holding you to that statement you just made, mister.
06/21/2013
eri86 eri86
I suggest the following. This is a combination of my thoughts, and ideas I've gleaned from others and agree with.


Return Policy

- Free returns on damaged, or wrong, items ONLY
- All other returns pay for shipping

Reward points for ONLY the following:

1) Reviews (but only after they've been edited, approved, and published)
2) Sexis Articles (but only after they've been edited, approved, and published)
3) Proof reading reviews and articles
4) Mentors
5) And the 5% points back on orders paid with cash.

Using Points:

- We can use points to pay for 100% of the cost of a SINGLE item per month
- Points CANNOT be used to cover shipping.
- The toy paid for with points DOES NOT get free shipping

(EXCEPTION: it is part of multi-item order where the combined cost of the items paid for with cash makes the entire order eligble for free shipping)

Packaging
- For the time being charge extra for boxed shipping
06/21/2013
dancingduo dancingduo
Quote:
Originally posted by No-nita
If you are GENUINE about going back and considering allowing us use of our

Read all four of the articles I posted. I edited all my content out of my reviews when you pulled your point stunt, but I would happily revert those reviews to their ...
I am sure the community appreciates your bluntness, but this is for ideas to FIX Eden and not heap ashes on a inflamed situation. Lets not start taking things hostage, 'holding reviews' or 'reverting reviews', the little I know of web admin...its on a hard drive somewhere with a date and a back up copy--i.e. moot point.

Let us keep this thread a positive one. There are plenty of other threads to go 'rant' at. Let us put forward great ideas so we can get Eden and the community back on its feet.

I am seeing some great ideas that members are suggestion to cut costs and keep things alive.
06/21/2013
This Is For The Birds This Is For The Birds
Quote:
Originally posted by eri86
I suggest the following. This is a combination of my thoughts, and ideas I've gleaned from others and agree with.


Return Policy

- Free returns on damaged, or wrong, items ONLY
- All other returns pay for ...
I agree with this and I mentioned awarding points for reviews after they were published at the start of this thread.

These are great ideas and ones that I think should really be took into consideration.
06/21/2013
Aishiteru Aishiteru
Quote:
Originally posted by Taylor
I don't know if I have any good ideas, but I am glad to see people trying to work together to make things work again.

The points system obviously wasn't working since it was too easy to get free items. So there I guess there can either ...
One item per month would be awesome.
06/21/2013
Aishiteru Aishiteru
Quote:
Originally posted by SMichelle
In regards to returns -- lingerie returns should still be allowed, in my opinion.
Yeah, lingerie returns make as much sense as toy returns.
06/21/2013
SMichelle SMichelle
Quote:
Originally posted by Aishiteru
Yeah, lingerie returns make as much sense as toy returns.
I actually think that lingerie returns do make sense. Lingerie is less likely to fit than a toy. I purchase A LOT of lingerie -- some from here, but a lot of it from other stores, and all of the stores I shop at allow lingerie returns -- provided that the item still has a tag and has not been worn.
06/21/2013
PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
Quote:
Originally posted by SMichelle
I actually think that lingerie returns do make sense. Lingerie is less likely to fit than a toy. I purchase A LOT of lingerie -- some from here, but a lot of it from other stores, and all of the stores I shop at allow lingerie returns -- provided ...
I agree. I wouldn't purchase clothing, lingerie included, from a place that didn't offer returns if the product didn't fit.
06/21/2013
Aishiteru Aishiteru
I was starting to feel a lot better about this, and still do feel better than I have for the past couple days, but some things about the way this is being handled are still bothering me. I don't like the way customers are still being blamed and turned against each other for choices that the company has been making for years. And someone that I only recall cussing someone out and telling them to die in the other thread got thanked by the owner.
06/21/2013
No-nita No-nita
Quote:
Originally posted by dancingduo
I am sure the community appreciates your bluntness, but this is for ideas to FIX Eden and not heap ashes on a inflamed situation. Lets not start taking things hostage, 'holding reviews' or 'reverting reviews', the little I know of ...
This is the only thread in which Fred is discussing these things with people, and my post was in direct response to what he posted, which was that he might consider a case-by-case review of what contributors have been putting into the website. I don't think it is that outlandish for me to reply saying that if he means what he just said, I have no problem leaving my content up here (as that is related to the suggestions I posted on the first page - to honor the previous compensation system for points already earned, or allow people to take their content down). Calling it a hostage situation is unnecessarily dramatic.

My suggestions do pertain to the "inflamed situation" which was the catalyst for this thread in the first place, so I will be discussing that in my posts in this thread, sorry.

Onto my suggestions (some of which I already posted back on the first page, but am rehashing and reworking and adding to in this post)

Steps EF can take in order to regain the trust of its members:

1) Decide how much of a community emphasis we REALLY want to have at EF. If community involvement is a big priority, then consider writing up a code of conduct for whichever employees are interacting with said community, because when they start snapping at customers, it reflects badly on the business, regardless of what the customer said in order to get snapped at in the first place. If that is not possible, consider just having silent moderators on the forums and let people continue talking with each other as normal.

2) No more blaming customers for using the system that the staff here put in place. Again, it is poor customer service and creates animosity between customers and business owners, as we have already seen. That, in turn, effects the business as a whole. Using a system exactly the way it was set up is not abuse. It was just an unfavorable outcome that is being labeled abuse. Again... consider hiring some more experienced customer service workers as mouthpieces.

4) The system was good in theory but was poorly maintained. I think a better way to keep a points system would be not to award points for actions automatically, and make sure they are reviewed by a staff member (not a fellow EF contributor, or that could cause more problems than it solves) as being the kinds of well-written, helpful content that you want submitted to the site. Do away with the points for the daily forum actions, and perhaps consider getting rid of the guide that lists each individual thing you can do for points, so people don't log in and then proceed to go down that whole list and do every single action on it.

5) Don't do the "you can only use a certain percentage of points on each order" thing - just drastically cut the amount of points given in the first place, so that free toys are not so easily "farmed". If that is not a good alternative, then I agree that a limit of one "free" toy per month with generated points is a good way to curb point-spending-sprees. I also like the one-random-day-per-mon th full-points-value idea, but again, point values would have to decrease for all actions on this site in order for that not to eat into profit substantially.

6) Give a box option for a few extra bucks at checkout, or as a replacement for the "free gift" option. This has already been suggested but I think it is a very good one and will repeat it.

7) If EF is really in dire financial straits, maybe eliminate the point system completely, or at least temporarily suspend it. Coming out and saying "This system was not sustainable in its current model and we will be suspending it while we figure out a better plan" would be a better alternative to the 15% cut-down, in my opinion.

8) Broken record here, but honor the old point system for people who put obvious hard work into their content (easily checked by just giving it a once-over), or allow them the option of removing their material from this website, since the terms they agreed to when they submitted have since changed and again, said change should not be retroactive.

9) Up earlier in this post I said to think about how important the community part of EF is - actually, now that I think about it, maintaining a second forum with silent moderators seems like the best idea to me. One or two customer service reps as mouthpieces to make announcements and be the liaison between you and your customers, but moderators contactable by PM who do not get involved in mudslinging when it does happen.

10) I'm gonna second (third? fourth?) lingerie returns. I can't see how that would be much different from accepting used toy returns.
06/21/2013
Woman China Woman China
I don't think we should be allowed to get an item per month using points. I think two items per quarter would be more beneficial. However; to make it more like "work" or an assigned review, I would say that if you purchase an item using points, you MUST write a review for it. And those reviews MUST be quality reviews. If they are not, your ability to earn points will be removed until it is up to snuff. I would also suggest in this section, if EF were to make these into an assignment like program, then I would continue to offer free shipping on these items.

I would also strongly suggest removing points for forum activity. It is still abused, you claim you want a community and a community feel, lets get rid of the ones who abuse the system by removing the drive to do so. And all that will be left, will be those who are sincere in promoting a community like environment. Or if this is not an acceptable suggestion, what about making your first month at EF pointless? (I like my pun on words there!!) No points given during your first month. Or possibly, no points rewarded until you become an advanced member? This way, more newer members would join into the mentor program making sure that the reviews posted would be up to snuff reviews? And if the mentor publishes your review, then you can get points for it.

On the points for review topic, I would make points not given until the review is published. I would also make it a little more difficult for newer reviewers to submit sub-par reviews. I do not really have any suggestions on how to make this happen right now, I will return if I think of anything.

Another point, would be rather than (forgive my math skills this morning, I've just recently woken up) 1000pts= $10.00 make it 1000pts= $5.00.

As for returns, lingerie should be allowed to be returned as long as it has not been worn and the tags are still in pristine condition. However; underwear style items, hosiery should not.

Lastly, one way I can see mending some bridges that have been burnt over the past week or so, is get rid of the favouritism. It has been glaringly obvious over the past week that some members are given a very long long long leash, while others at first sign of non-compliance or unsociable behaviour deemed so by EF admins are gagged/silenced/banned /posts deleted. Granted, some of these posts did need to be deleted, but telling someone for example that they should just go and die, is uncalled for in ANY situation. I would suggest here that there be a team of volunteer moderators to man the forums. And in order to delete a post/silence/gag a member, that it has to be a unanimous decision. Yes, I know there has been a lot of anger over the past week, but if the cussing and temper and hostility of one is tolerated, does it not seem fair that it should be tolerated by all?

Around the World Wide Web, there are many voices talking about how EF sells returned toys. I would strongly suggest finding a way to handle these accusations. For me personally, I don't know what to beleive. I know it might just be that I feel entitled to a solution here, but I do beleive it might help put out some fires that are happening.

I have chosen to stick with EF because of all that you have allowed me to accomplish. I don't want the see the past two or three years of my life be on a negative note. I still stand behind almost everything (all but one paragraph) I said in this post- link

My apologies if there are many typos and mistakes, I am doing all this from my iPad. I am lacking the internet on the computer to do much of anything at the moment. But the good news is my new homes is STUNNING!!!!
06/21/2013
charmedtomeetyou charmedtomeetyou
I suppose my only suggestions at this point would be:

1-- Reviews that are worth reading, and a way to ensure that people's reviews are proofed before going live. I'm not sure if this could just be accomplished by a more thorough editing process, or some sort of combo editing/mentor program...but something. I'm tired of reading reviews by people that didn't have to go through editing that really, really, really should have. And honestly, even some edited reviews I've read are sad.

2-- A select number of times, whether it is every month or every three months, where you can use your points to make a purchase 100% with earned points. Either that, or no points system at all....earning points that you can only use in a certain percentage holds no appeal for me. I'd sooner see it go to just a DR program and reviews submitted by people who have purchased things. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I wasn't thrilled when the point value for reviews changed to 1000 pts. I was excited for a second, of course, but then the more I thought about it, not so much. I viewed the 50 cent reviews as a way to build my rank, and work my way toward the other aspects of the community.

3-- Editors being paid in gift cards that can be used in full for purchases, and video reviews (approved ahead of time as they were before) paid in gift cards that can be used in full.

4-- A larger number of approachable admins, as there were before, who can handle specific functions of the site.

I see that all editors were removed. ( I assume all were removed, since I was and see others were as well.) I wonder what the plan is there...and I'm curious to know. I would also like the option of paying extra for a box, instead of a plastic bag for shipping. I like to keep the package for my pricey toys, and not have them smashed up.
06/21/2013
edeneve edeneve
everybody has thoughts, ideas they believe will really work. has anyone noticed how conflicting these ideas are??? how can we possibly come to a consistence on anything???? throwing out ideas w/o giving any thought how each one can be given fair consideration is ludicrous. some sort of data information gathering needs to be in place for any of these ideas flying about to be given any real consideration. think people, come on, think. how can we present our ideas in the most effective way?
06/21/2013
charmedtomeetyou charmedtomeetyou
Quote:
Originally posted by edeneve
everybody has thoughts, ideas they believe will really work. has anyone noticed how conflicting these ideas are??? how can we possibly come to a consistence on anything???? throwing out ideas w/o giving any thought how each one can be given fair ...
I honestly don't think it's up to us.

The powers that be will read these ideas or not...and decide to implement them or not....
06/21/2013
Lady of the Lab Lady of the Lab
Quote:
Originally posted by Woman China
I don't think we should be allowed to get an item per month using points. I think two items per quarter would be more beneficial. However; to make it more like "work" or an assigned review, I would say that if you purchase an item using ...
I concur with my former mentor and friend. Although I can't commit to sticking around.

@Woman China: I'm happy your new home is stunning.
06/21/2013
No-nita No-nita
Quote:
Originally posted by edeneve
everybody has thoughts, ideas they believe will really work. has anyone noticed how conflicting these ideas are??? how can we possibly come to a consistence on anything???? throwing out ideas w/o giving any thought how each one can be given fair ...
It's a good thing you said this. That got me thinking. This is the problem with the whole "let's brainstorm solutions" thing. We're customers. How many of us have formal training in business related things?

We suggest stuff based on what we know - which is limited to what bits and pieces we can gather from what the staff says, and is sometimes conflicting information. There is a line to be drawn between taking community input into consideration and expecting to do the community to figure out all your problems for you, write reviews for you, write articles for you, figure out a successful business model for you, etc etc etc (for little or no compensation) and then complain and blame said customers when it doesn't work. That's already happened several times. I don't think anybody here wants to see that happen again.

We aren't going to be given the really important information that we would need in order to make effective and informed suggestions; all we can really do is make a list of requests. What would probably be the best route at this point is for Fred to hire some sort of consultant who knows what they're talking about, discuss numbers with them, come up with a sustainable business model, and then run some of the "tweakable" points by the community and get our input on those specific things. Fred already knows what all of us want, by now, so there's not much else that can be said.
06/21/2013
bratcat bratcat
I've been pretty much silent since this all started, but there are many wonderful suggestions stated here, many of which i agree with.

If abuse of the point system is such a concern, all points earned via the forum should have been done away with when the original changes were made. It almost promotes spam onto the site and duel post, as well as not contributing anything back to EF. They just can go, those who want to contribute will and those who were looking to just get points will no longer add spam the forums.

Focus for points should be left to things that actually help bring traffic to the site, such as reviews. I like the idea of not being rewarded points until after being reviewed and published, or after a review has earned 3-5 "useful" or "extremely useful" rating. I believe this may cut back on crap reviews and give users more incentive to improve their work and really put effort into their writing. As well as what eri86 suggested should be earning points (reviews, editing, sexis, mentors and the 5% back with cash orders)

I like WC's idea of having a quarterly buy out for toys where one can buy toys using 100% of their points per quater. As eri86 also stated, orders where covered 100% by points should not be eligible for free shipping.
Or that users should be able to use anywhere between 40-60% on orders.

As much as i do love them and are more incentive for me to spend more, EF should do away with the free gift or only have them available for a span of two days once a month. Or as many have suggested, get rid of the free gift in exchange for packaging orders in cardboard boxes.
06/22/2013
indiechick indiechick
Quote:
Originally posted by Fred Petrenko
Hello everyone,

OK, this is finally a thread where we can talk. Thank you everyone for the constructive criticism, thoughts and ideas.
Let me share with you my thoughts and plans.

1. Existing system.
It is broken. It has been for ...
Thank-you for validating that we are coming here with clarity and a willingness to move forward. I know that not every "demand" is going to be met, but I appreciate very much your willingness to a) listen and b) join in. I think that is something that many of us want from you moving forward. That you be more engaged in the community.
06/22/2013
SaucyxGirl SaucyxGirl
Quote:
Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
I love your idea about the once a month cap on using 100% of your points! I think it's fine to brainstorm and it's certainly harder than sitting around poking holes in other's ideas, so good for you!

I think the free assignments ...
This might not be a popular idea but how about not only a once a month cap but points could also expire after X amount a time. That would make it harder to bank them up and would also drive people to actually order more perhaps as they tried to use them before that date. Sorta like some of the rewards programs that grocery and department stores use. Or even a cap so that people couldn't save for months and months and end up doing a $600 order with all points.

BTW also love the idea of points for a single toy only.
06/22/2013
indiechick indiechick
Quote:
Originally posted by No-nita
If you are GENUINE about going back and considering allowing us use of our

Read all four of the articles I posted. I edited all my content out of my reviews when you pulled your point stunt, but I would happily revert those reviews to their ...
Please remember that the goal of this thread is a positive one. All of the bolded words and your tone in several places if off putting to me. Fred came here. He never comments in threads, but he is here and is willing to talk. I need you to follow the guidelines that i set out at the start of this thread if you are going to participate.
06/22/2013
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