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Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
These girls are in grammar school and yet they are participating in a dance competition where they are dancing in ways I don't find appropriate. I wondered what everyone else's opinions were. As a dancer with 14 years of professional training, I started at the age of 4. I am not naive to the skimpy spandex costumes and intense competitiveness. But, I never was taught to dance like THIS at that age. We did wear some costumes similar to this, But they don't become sexualized without the moves that accompany them.

In my opinion these girls are extremely talented but they are being extorted in a similar way that little girls are for winning beauty competitions. I find it irresponsible and inappropriate. I felt like a pedo watching it and it made me a bit uncomfortable lol.

What do you think?


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I have no opinion/or are on the fence
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I find nothing wrong about it
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I'm mesmerized!
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Ewww this makes me feel like a pedo!
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Contributor: Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
I remember thinking the exact same thing when I watched Donnie Darko.

Maybe it's prudish of me to think so, but sexy dances should be done by adults. Girls in elementary school can get their kicks doing cute dances, elegant dances... just not sexy dances. I don't see the appeal in it and it makes me feel bad for even watching.
05/16/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
I remember thinking the exact same thing when I watched Donnie Darko.

Maybe it's prudish of me to think so, but sexy dances should be done by adults. Girls in elementary school can get their kicks doing cute dances, elegant dances... just ... more
LMAO I was going to make that reference but I was unsure how many people would get it.

I don't think it is prudish AT ALL. I agree, they should be doing dances appropriate for their age. What ever happened to tap dancing!? That was my favorite growing up. Singing In the Rain? That is so entertaining! It's a lost art really .
05/16/2010
Contributor: J's Alley J's Alley
As a dancer I am 100% impressed by these girls. These girls have some serious talent, those moves are hard as hell. I am really disappointed in the coaches. The routine was not only totally inappropriate for a 7 year old (as was the clothing...it reminded me of burlesque), but the routine was unoriginal and ripped from the video. The coaches are more than likely only half as talented as these girls. I hope they can one day find someone to tap into that potential because they are VERY good dancers.
05/16/2010
Contributor: winterwhite winterwhite
I found it more astonishing that a coach for 7 year olds would choose that song and choreography in the first place. I don't ask what the parents are thinking, I ask what the coaches are thinking.

The girls are super talented, and I hope they invest in a coach who can showcase that without turning them into sexual little dolls.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
I always thought cheerleading and school dance groups were steps required for becoming future Streetwalkers of America.

Seriously, the shock value wore off with the Jonet Bennet(?) murder trial - exploiting children to look and act like miniature adults is the stuff of pedophile dreams. It's not inventive, it's DISTURBING.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Miss B Haven Miss B Haven
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Originally posted by J's Alley
As a dancer I am 100% impressed by these girls. These girls have some serious talent, those moves are hard as hell. I am really disappointed in the coaches. The routine was not only totally inappropriate for a 7 year old (as was the clothing...it ... more
I agree with J's Alley. Those were impressive moves and those girls definitely have talent! I did find it inappropriate as a school dance routine. It is something I would have enjoyed at an adult night club instead. If this is what those girls are learning at 7 years old it's no wonder why there are so many complaints about high school girls being too sexual.

And like LaUr3n commented, these girls are in grammar school. Those beauty pageants are teaching these same routine styles but can start them at a much younger age. I think that bothers me more than the 7 year olds :S
05/16/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
VERY inappropriate moves for a 7 year old to do. I think I've seen strippers pull similar moves (but these girls have a LOT more dancing talent than the average stripper). When I was watching it, I admit, I almost forgot a couple times that these chicks are 7. They could've passed at mid-teens when they were moving too fast to see their faces.

I'm NOT one for choreographed dance moves like this. (I HATE Glee, American Idol, so you think you can dance, dancing with the has-beens, etc.)
05/16/2010
Contributor: J's Alley J's Alley
NO. I am so sorry if anyone gets upset at what I have to say BUT...my 7 year old has been doing pageants for three years (she asked and I said ok). Unless you are behind the scenes you have NO idea what it is really like. My daughter is well aware that pageant make up is NOT ok for everyday. She doesn't do full glitz (the stupid cupcake dresses are horrid and her legs are too thick for them), but she does to what is called semi-glitz. And she is good at them. Interviews...yes, they have them, no they don't showcase them. She scores perfect on them. We rarely do talent because she doesn't like to do her tumbling in front of people.

I have to defend those kids that do pageants. Yes, there are awful people pushing their kids to do them, but for the most part these girls do them and enjoy them. They meet friends from all over the world, and they get to travel. My daughter has 10K for college saved as a result. She just chose to quit to pursue acting and dance, but she said she'd like to come back in a year or two. She says she is too developed for her age group ("I have boobs and no one else does so I will lose), and she is right.

I don't agree with flippers and all that shit, but she LOVES the big fluffy dresses and light makeup and loves loves loves wearing custom made costumes and whatnot for extra events. I will say that we had a tight reign. She never wore anything that showed her tummy and never wore short skirts and all that, so we are a little different, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't judge those people who do these events. For the most part they are good people. I will never let my child do a pageant that would be televised...in fact, we required them to be in a private hotel setting requiring tickets to attend. As for the Jon Benet thing, that is NOT how it normally goes. Again, please don't judge these girls...unless you are involved you have no idea what you are referring to. It is like if someone said people who used sex toys are sexual deviants...it simply isn't true.

And I still think these kids need a better coach who can make routines that are age appropriate and CREATIVE.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Kayla Kayla
Those kids honestly look like they are having fun. I wouldn't call this overly sexual - at least, unless you can count half of that as sexual - I think those dances just look like mini-seizures or something. But they do look like they are having fun and aren't doing it to be sexy - just to have fun.
05/16/2010
Contributor: winterwhite winterwhite
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Originally posted by Kayla
Those kids honestly look like they are having fun. I wouldn't call this overly sexual - at least, unless you can count half of that as sexual - I think those dances just look like mini-seizures or something. But they do look like they are having ... more
I would argue that they look like they are having fun because, being seven, they ARE having fun and have no idea what the moves actually simulate or represent. I highly doubt they know enough about sex to actively be sexy, instead adults are telling them to do things that ARE sexy-- and normalizing that kind of behavior for a 7 year old, who DOESN'T know what they are doing, isn't right for the kids.

They are having fun. But my standard here is: if you wouldn't show a child a video of an adult woman (say, a stripper) doing the exact same thing, you probably shouldn't let your kid do it. I think these kids are too young for MTV and so never should have even seen the single ladies videos...we aren't letting kids be kids anymore.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Sir Sir
I do not really find it to be proper, no, but you know what, they're good at what they're doing. So what if it looks sexual? The only people that it looks sexual to are the people that WANT to look at it sexually and make a big deal of it. They're just dancing and having a good time. So what? They're good (though a little disjointed, I will admit) for their age.

I want to watch it again, they're so cute! They're really good!
05/16/2010
Contributor: Sir Sir
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Originally posted by J's Alley
NO. I am so sorry if anyone gets upset at what I have to say BUT...my 7 year old has been doing pageants for three years (she asked and I said ok). Unless you are behind the scenes you have NO idea what it is really like. My daughter is well aware ... more
I agree, J's Alley. I think that people are looking at it too much as if it's a strip club rather than a dance routine, which IS all that it is.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Kayla Kayla
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Originally posted by winterwhite
I would argue that they look like they are having fun because, being seven, they ARE having fun and have no idea what the moves actually simulate or represent. I highly doubt they know enough about sex to actively be sexy, instead adults are telling ... more
They aren't intending it to be sexual, so I'm not concerned. *Walking* can be sexy, but children don't attempt to be sexy while walking, so I'm not concerned. I consider it the intentions behind it. And they weren't meaning to tantalize or provoke sexual thoughts with anyone.

I can also think of many other things that make kids less child-like then enjoying dancing.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Kynky Kytty Kynky Kytty
The dance moves would not be so bad if they were not showing that much skin, and it may be what makes everything so inappropriate. If they wanted to give the impression that they had an alluring costume, they should have had a skin-colored cloth to cover the real skin. I don't understand how this could have been approved by the parents.

Since there is a coach behind the moves, it is very inappropriate, and he needs to be replaced, like J's Alley said. It would have been cute only if it was an amateur video of little girls making the choregraphy themselves in their house and ALL dressed up and copying the video.

Although the story does not tell if the girls are little attitude monsters and that they insisted so much with their parents and coach to do that specific choregraphy.

Lauren, I'll bring your post to another level, because I've been aware of a video that is much much worse than what you linked, which did not make me feel like a pedo... This one did: link. Most of it is not so bad, but there's a move she makes... makes me completely uncomfortable.
05/16/2010
Contributor: winterwhite winterwhite
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Originally posted by Kayla
They aren't intending it to be sexual, so I'm not concerned. *Walking* can be sexy, but children don't attempt to be sexy while walking, so I'm not concerned. I consider it the intentions behind it. And they weren't meaning to ... more
But can you argue that their COACHES weren't intending it to be sexual? it is hard to argue that an adult would instruct a child to act this way and feel it to be completely innocent. Obviously they didn't come up with this themselves and there was an adult involved, and that adult plainly knew that it was sexual and not age-appropriate. How could you not?
05/16/2010
Contributor: VieuxCarre VieuxCarre
I don't agree with skimpy costumes, but let the girls dance. The only reason that it's seen as provocative is because that's all that's shown on television and in the media these days.

I wore less than what the girls do now when I used to dance and danced similarly. Nothing was seen wrong with it then and quite frankly I don't see anything wrong with it now.

*shrug* That's just me.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Rayne Millaray Rayne Millaray
I'm kind of not sure where I stand on this.

I mean, is this a jazz class, or hip hop? Cause if it's a hip hop class, these dance moves are par for the course.

Does that make it okay for 7yos? Probably not. But if any of these girls are planning on pursuing a career in hip hop dance, those moves are required learning, and anyone you talk to about dancing careers will tell you it's best to start learning young.

Beyonce is ridiculously popular, these days, and is viewed as a solid female role model by some (not saying I agree or disagree, just stating fact). I mean, she was on Nickelodeon's Kid Choice Awards, and she's been in Disney ads. It really doesn't surprise me that they're using her music for young girls. Probably Single Ladies wasn't the best choice. She definitely has songs that would have been better suited to 7yos. But Single Ladies is popular, right now, and regardless how old they are, or parents' approval, kids listen to what's popular. It's possible the music was the girls' choice.

As for the costumes, when my sister was in dance (I only took tap and ballet for a year before I lost interest), the kids got to pick those. The parents had to approve, but, generally speaking, they always did, regardless of what the costumes looked like. Especially if the kids were excited about them. It's not easy looking into the eyes of a child, when they're bouncing on their heels saying "Mommy, please!", and telling them no.

Besides that, the vast majority of people at recitals and competitions are parents, family and friends of the children performing. Aside from the judges, stage hands, sound techs (all of whom are sometimes parent volunteers) and coaches, there aren't many "outsiders" in the audience. For me, that would be a huge factor in my decision as to whether or not my daughters could do a performance such as this one.

And for the record, kids emulate what they see their favorite celebrities doing. And, like I said, Beyonce has been on Nickelodeon, so kids this age for sure have seen her dance. If these girls watch Nick (and I'm betting they do), they'd be doing those moves with or without a dance coach.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Lady Evyl Lady Evyl
I was shocked when I saw the girls in the video. But then I immediately got flash backs of my doing little routines in my parent's basement to Material Girl or Like a Virgin.

What is media sexy now and what was sexy and provocative 25 years ago cannot be even compared. I understand these girls feel they are emulating a singer, an idol. On that level I understand.

Probably for the time my Like a Virgin rendition was osé...but my audience was my parents on a Sunday morning...not a public appearance. That is where I find the limit is crossed.

They are kids, they are emulating. That is fine. But they have no clue what message they are sending out in a public forum. That is where the deciding adults seriously lack judgment.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Rayne Millaray Rayne Millaray
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Originally posted by Lady Evyl
I was shocked when I saw the girls in the video. But then I immediately got flash backs of my doing little routines in my parent's basement to Material Girl or Like a Virgin.

What is media sexy now and what was sexy and provocative 25 ... more
Well, but...

I mean, honestly, how many of those girls and parents thought, "One of these parents in this crowd will put this recital on the internet, and millions of strangers will see my 7yo dancing in a sexual manner."? How many of them thought, "A pedophile might see this on the web and view my daughter in a sexual light."?

The sad truth is that, even with the rise in media coverage of sex crimes committed against adults and children alike, probably none of them even considered the possibility. Chances are most of those parents are no where near as active on the web as, say, us sex bloggers and sex toy reviewers. And most people base their internet activities on the assumption that the only people watching are their friends and family.

I know I sometimes lose sight of the fact that it's not just my friends reading Insatiable Desire.

In today's world, they probably should have assumed someone who filmed the recital would put it online, if only on their personal YouTube account to share with family members. But even then, they might not have seen that as a threat. Because of online social networking, we've become increasingly lax in our wariness of the web. We treat it more like our living room than a public forum accessed by billions of strangers.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Lady Evyl Lady Evyl
My comment was not related to whether it would end up on the internet. I would have issues with my child performing that on stage in front of a crowd, period.

For me children and promoting sexuality don't mix. May be I am more prudish.
05/16/2010
Contributor: J's Alley J's Alley
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Originally posted by Rayne Millaray
Well, but...

I mean, honestly, how many of those girls and parents thought, "One of these parents in this crowd will put this recital on the internet, and millions of strangers will see my 7yo dancing in a sexual manner."? How many ... more
I agree with Rayne. We have to consider who their idols are today. My daughter does this dancing on her own, so I would likely be "whatever" about it. I don't care for it, but they aren't hurting anyone, and to say that kids will be sluts because of their dance background is just retarded.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Rayne Millaray Rayne Millaray
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Originally posted by J's Alley
I agree with Rayne. We have to consider who their idols are today. My daughter does this dancing on her own, so I would likely be "whatever" about it. I don't care for it, but they aren't hurting anyone, and to say that kids will ... more
Amen to that.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Angel deSanguine Angel deSanguine
I saw this Friday and my first thought was 'seriously?!' I'm no prude by any stretch of the imagination but I do think that parading your kids- boys or girls- and having them dance so suggestively in front of what is obviously a large group of people, never mind that it's televised, is completely inappropriate. I'm sorry but I also think that in the age of YouTube you HAVE to think about the repercussions if something like this goes up on the 'net because it WILL wind up there. The argument that someone made on the site I initially saw it on was 'well they're kids, they probably don't even know what the moves they're doing suggest!' Which is probably a correct statement, which makes it, in some ways, much worse in my opinion. It's the job of parents to protect their kids not turn them into a sexual object at the age of 7 because 'it's cute'.

I also danced to Madonna, Cyndi and all of the other fabulous 80s artists at home and at my friends houses, which is exactly the point- at home and at friends houses. The girls are amazingly talented I just think the routine and clothes should be more age appropriate. Do I think they're going to be sluts because of it? No, but I do feel that they're being disrespected.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
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Originally posted by J's Alley
I agree with Rayne. We have to consider who their idols are today. My daughter does this dancing on her own, so I would likely be "whatever" about it. I don't care for it, but they aren't hurting anyone, and to say that kids will ... more
"and to say that kids will be sluts because of their dance background is just retarded."

Name-calling for personal opinion?
05/16/2010
Contributor: deceased deceased
It sets the women's movement back eons but telling little girls that they should be little entertaining sex objects to please an audience of primarily adult males. It trivializes their talents.
05/16/2010
Contributor: J's Alley J's Alley
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
"and to say that kids will be sluts because of their dance background is just retarded."

Name-calling for personal opinion?
not what I meant so much, just saying that these are "steps required for becoming future Streetwalkers of America" is ridiculous and kind of mean even. I certainly know that I didn't end up that way and I danced for about 14 years, including in college. Sorry, I just took offense to that one comment.

My kids dance, are in gymnastics, and have done pageants as well as a ton of sports. They're well rounded and there is nothing wrong with it.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
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Originally posted by J's Alley
not what I meant so much, just saying that these are "steps required for becoming future Streetwalkers of America" is ridiculous and kind of mean even. I certainly know that I didn't end up that way and I danced for about 14 years, ... more
That's all right, my apologies for the bluntness. I've known too many girls in school who did ONLY cheerleading/dance and they ended up working in not-nice-places that did not give them any respect because they ended up believing that's all they could do in life. It scares me if their parents are not responsible enough to say 'there is a difference between the fantasy of shows and life off stage'.

Still, this number's too squiffy for my taste.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Splendwhore Splendwhore
I don't personally believe this was appropriate. If I was a parent, I would not have let my child perform that routine wearing that outfit. That being said, I don't hold it against any parents that DO choose to let their child participate in such activity. I understand that children are sexual creatures, and would have no problem educating my child about both sex and their own bodies, but do not believe that this kind of behavior is particularly appropriate in public, especially at that age. Just my 2 cents.
05/16/2010
Contributor: Splendwhore Splendwhore
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Originally posted by J's Alley
NO. I am so sorry if anyone gets upset at what I have to say BUT...my 7 year old has been doing pageants for three years (she asked and I said ok). Unless you are behind the scenes you have NO idea what it is really like. My daughter is well aware ... more
I just wanted to say that I think it's great that you're helping your daughter follow her dreams, whatever they may be at any given time. There are far too many parents who simply don't care, or worse, try to make their children live the lives that they themselves missed out on. You're such a cool mom! Keep it up.
05/16/2010