Are you more forgiving when it comes to reviews written by newbies?

Are you more forgiving when it comes to reviews written by newbies?

Nazaress Nazaress
Do you vote much better for a review that isn't that great if you see that the author is new to the site?
Answers (public voting - your screen name will appear in the results):
Yes, I vote much better than a more experienced reviewer
svalentine;)
1  (2%)
Yes, I vote a little better than a more experienced reviewer
Valentinka , Badass , PassionateLover2 , Princess-Kayla ♥
4  (8%)
No, I vote the same
Swish , Beck , Kindred , Kissy , sweetiejo , married with children , wetone123 , Mistress Mandy , Adriana Ravenlust , Ms. Spice , Katelyn , RavenDevereux , AHubbyof2SexualMinds , MistressDandelion
14  (27%)
No, I vote worse than a more experienced reviewer (Does this happen?)
It depends on how bad the review is
Nazaress , Cookie Monster Mike , GONE! , wrmbreze , DeliciousSurprise , darthkitt3n , PeaceToTheMiddleEast , unfulfilled , Zombirella , biancajames , padmeamidala , Do-Re-Mi , OroNomi , sktb0007 , Squidget , ~LaUr3n~ , SMichelle , P'Gell , switzerland , Subbi , Ryuson , js250 , Howells , Stinkytofu10 , voenne , ellejay , Vanille , Slavetim , spiceboy , Iron Man , Checkmate
31  (61%)
Other (Explain)
(k)InkyIvy
1  (2%)
Total votes: 51
Poll is closed
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Nazaress Nazaress
It depends on the quality of the review, to me. If it's a good review except it's missing a detail or two, such as the measurements of the toy, I might give it a better rating than I would for someone who should know better. I'll tell them in the comments what they should add in future reviews, though.

However, if a review is just TERRIBLE, I'll vote bad without hesitation. This is ESPECIALLY true if there is false information in the review. I've encountered this twice in the past two days or so. They received almost the lowest score from me because they were just awful. Mostly, I think being new isn't an excuse. Not to toot my own horn but my first reviews were fantastic. I've only found tiny little things that I could add to my reviews to make them better (along with being able to take pictures now, though the quality isn't great). That's because I did my research. I read other reviews and studied my butt off before submitting my work. But maybe I just care more and wasn't just in it for the free toys like some people.
02/08/2012
Cookie Monster Mike Cookie Monster Mike
Hmm I will have to vote later when I make my final decision. But basically there's many things I consider. First, not everyone is a good or great writer, so not everyone is cut out to do the reviewing process. In a sense I feel somewhat bad when I rate a newcomers review fairly low because it was way to short and almost not informative. But at the same time, if the review is only slightly helpful then I can't give it a great rating. I generally add in a comment on the review that somewhat justifies my vote, or explains it at least.

But then again, voting honestly can sometimes motivate people to do a better job, and improve. Mentor program works great too lol. I am working on my 20th review right now, and I have been working at it for days, tweaking it etc. I look back to my first original review and think, wow I was that bad? lol It wasn't a terrible review, it just wasn't nearly as helpful or useful as my newer ones. Honestly I would vote it useful, or somewhat useful if I saw it.

Then there are the reviews that are a mix of good and bad. Where the reviewer highlights all this amazing useful detailed descriptive information on their experience with the toy, but then don't really give any information on the material etc. Vica versa on this too.
02/08/2012
GONE! GONE!
Yeah, definitely. They're still figuring out how to make a useful review and what info people want other than basic specs or how much they enjoyed a toy. If it's unreadable though, forget it!
02/08/2012
unfulfilled unfulfilled
It depends on the review, but I offer little notes in the comments like could you tell me the size please? Or what type of battery does it take? That way maybe they'll realize that may need to be included in their next effort.It's also why I really like working with those that are new to the site in the mentor program i can help them through the process, but not everyone gets a mentor before they write.
02/08/2012
Zombirella Zombirella
Quote:
Originally posted by Nazaress
Do you vote much better for a review that isn't that great if you see that the author is new to the site?
I guess it just depends on if it seems like they tried or they just wrote useless ramblings.
02/08/2012
Ansley Ansley
I'll just put it this way, I'm less forgiving for people who should know better.
02/08/2012
Swish Swish
I vote the same nomater who it is, if its bad its bad if its good its good
02/08/2012
(k)InkyIvy (k)InkyIvy
I'm a relatively forgiving rater to begin with. If a review is good, I'll rate it useful or extremely useful. If a review is bad, I'll rate it somewhat useful. I feel like anything below that is just hurtful and unnecessary.
I don't rate differently for new reviewers and experienced reviewers, though.
02/08/2012
biancajames biancajames
I just try to give constructive feedback. There's one individual who left a lot of mean/snarky comments when I started, and that's not productive.
02/08/2012
Badass Badass
If its all that bad, rating them terribly won't help their review skills at all, if anything it would scare them away from the community. I wish someone would have just given me some pointers when I started out here, but I guess that is what the mentor program is for...
02/08/2012
Cookie Monster Mike Cookie Monster Mike
Quote:
Originally posted by biancajames
I just try to give constructive feedback. There's one individual who left a lot of mean/snarky comments when I started, and that's not productive.
Yea I agree, I don't see how doing that is helpful to anyone or productive. I think some people have high expectations that when someone starts reviewing for the first time on EF that their review should be at a certain high standard or something. I have seen one particular individual who has left comments on hundreds of reviews, new ones, old ones, from different members. I would say 1 in 20 of those comments is something nice. The rest are nit-picky questions or comments like "why didn't you include this?" or asking a detailed question that really wouldn't matter in reality or for 99.9% of people using that product.

Personally if I feel a new reviewer is putting in effort and actually trying to do a good job, then they deserve a better vote and even some guidance. At least an offering of the mentor program, or a simple "If you have any questions feel free to ask me".
02/08/2012
Beck Beck
I tried to give helpful feed back, but I go to into detail, so if they ask why I voted, I will be more than happy to explain why and help if it is wanted. However I vote all the same, since it is fair that way.
02/08/2012
PassionateLover2 PassionateLover2
Quote:
Originally posted by Nazaress
Do you vote much better for a review that isn't that great if you see that the author is new to the site?
This is a good question. For first time reviewers, I always give them the benefit of the doubt. The use of a Mentor also shows a commitment to making their reviews better. When a contributor moves to the Advanced level, much is expected.
02/08/2012
Squidget Squidget
Quote:
Originally posted by Nazaress
Do you vote much better for a review that isn't that great if you see that the author is new to the site?
I know my first review wasn't too great, but I got a ton of helpful hints and tips from others in the comments. I vote based on how the review is generally.
02/08/2012
Kindred Kindred
I try to treat all reviews the same. I'm not easier on a new reviewer just like I'm not harder on an experienced reviewer. A review should stand on its own merit.
02/08/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
I agree with Kindred. I expect no less from anyone else than I expect from myself. And I expect a lot from myself.

There is a little wiggle room. Yeah, I'm a little more lenient with "newbies" but not much.

But, I won't give a newbie who writes an "meh" or really awful review an EU "just to be nice." That wouldn't be honest, and it wouldn't help the reviewer learn anything about the reviewing process.

I read many reviews when I first got here, (although I didn't go through the Mentor Program) so I would know exactly what kind of stuff was wanted by the site. Yes, I expect every new reviewer to have read at least 5 to 10 reviews before they write their first one, and know to include things like relative size, battery type, noise level, the type of knob or switch and how it works, or things like texture, stickiness, glide and allergy information on lube and massage oil reviews.

I expect a lot out of people. Why? I think most are capable. I don't think much when people crank out 5 reviews a day and they're all mediocre, I'd rather read one really good review a week.

Mileage, and all that.
02/08/2012
Kissy Kissy
Quote:
Originally posted by Kindred
I try to treat all reviews the same. I'm not easier on a new reviewer just like I'm not harder on an experienced reviewer. A review should stand on its own merit.
I agree!
02/08/2012
Nazaress Nazaress
Quote:
Originally posted by Badass
If its all that bad, rating them terribly won't help their review skills at all, if anything it would scare them away from the community. I wish someone would have just given me some pointers when I started out here, but I guess that is what the ...
While I can see your point, I do not entirely agree. Giving a bad review a good rating just because they're new can be even more harmful than scaring them away. It says, "Your reviews are fantastic! Don't change a thing!" and then they're going to keep pumping out more awful reviews.

I don't throw bad votes around. Trust me. When I do vote someone bad, it's because they deserve it. I don't just vote them bad. I tell them WHY I voted them bad and I say I'm sorry that I had to do so. I ALWAYS recommend the Mentor Program for newbies who look like they need it and if they're only missing a few details, I'll vote them pretty good and tell them what they left out, as well as my suggestion (because even decent/good writers can benefit from the program).

If I feel like they put effort into it, even if it's not a fantastic review, I'll vote at least Useful, usually. However, I simply could not do that with the review that spawned this question. It was one of the worst reviews I'd ever read and they clearly did NO research. They didn't say what batteries it took or where they went. They didn't include any measurements at all. They didn't say what lubes and cleaning/storing situations are compatible. They didn't even say what it was made of! They clearly didn't know themselves, either, because they claimed the toy to be "not porous" when, in fact, it was made of jelly. Jelly! If that's not porous, I don't want to know what porous is. It only takes a few minutes to measure a toy with a tape measure (or online ruler like I started out with) and it CERTAINLY only takes a second to look on the product page and see that a toy is made of the worst material known to toy-kind.

I was being honest and I told them everything that was wrong (though I think I forgot to mention their lack of battery information). I was being helpful because now they know what they did wrong. I even told them how to find the material pages from now on and showed them the page on jelly. The person who commented below me, however, did way more harm than I did. They voted "Extremely Useful" and said they thought it was a good review and maybe they could get a mentor. This person has never written a single review and was, some days ago, asking how they could get free toys. If the writer chooses to ignore my constructive criticism and focus only on the "good", they're going to continue to be a terrible writer.
02/08/2012
Nazaress Nazaress
Quote:
Originally posted by P'Gell
I agree with Kindred. I expect no less from anyone else than I expect from myself. And I expect a lot from myself.

There is a little wiggle room. Yeah, I'm a little more lenient with "newbies" but not much.

But, I ...
I am definitely with you. This was my first review: link I definitely expect the same level of quality from beginners as more advanced reviewers and will only be a little lenient on missed details if it looks like they tried.

Obviously when I was new, I did my research and I cared how useful I was being. I wasn't just here for the free toys and the ranking (which can only go down if you do badly, anyway). It does no good to vote bad reviews highly and don't tell them what they did wrong because then they're going to keep being bad. I get so mad when I'm looking for a review for a product I'm interested in and all I get is complete crap from newbies and people who never told them they're bad when they were newbies (or who just don't care).

Like it or not, these horrible writers are going to be Advanced Reviewers. It is far too easy to get voted in and since horrible writers get voted in, horrible writers vote for other horrible writers to get in. So free toys are being taken out from under the feet of good writers so that they can dish out sub-par reviews. I can't stand this and THAT is why I vote honestly.
02/08/2012
switzerland switzerland
i would vote honestly and accordingly. and if it's a newbie, offer advice!
02/08/2012
Ryuson Ryuson
It really depends. If it's their first review and they don't have a mentor and it's awful, I may give them a 'somewhat useful' rating and then refer them to the mentoring program.
02/08/2012
sweetiejo sweetiejo
I guess I'm slightly cold I vote a newer persons review the same as I would a more advanced user. Eden provides so many opportunities to write amazing reviews, from supplying the extended template, to the mentor program there really isn't an excuse to do a poor review, but I do like to leave helpful comments on reviews of those who are newer just little things that can improve the next review.
02/08/2012
js250 js250
I am more forgiving for a newbie than I am for an experienced reviewer. I do leave comments about what I have questions for or I will message them with suggestions. No sense embarrassing new people who are learning the process.
02/08/2012
wetone123 wetone123
For me, it is hard to vote on bad reviews so I simply read them and do not vote on them at all. If I feel it is bad, I simply do not vote on it at all in order not to hurt someones feelings. The same for newbies or advanced.
02/10/2012
Stinkytofu10 Stinkytofu10
Sometimes reviews are just so dang bad you'd think they were drunk when they wrote it, or they never passed middle school English. I can't exactly vote "useful" on those reviews when they certainly aren't.
02/10/2012
Crystal1 Crystal1
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley
I'll just put it this way, I'm less forgiving for people who should know better.
This!

I'll sometimes read a not so great review and think "Well, they're still learning." but then scroll down and see the reviewer has written like 80 reviews.
02/11/2012
Princess-Kayla ♥ Princess-Kayla ♥
For the most part. I realize that my first review was pretty crappy. It takes a few to get the hang of it.
02/12/2012
Katelyn Katelyn
Yeah I don't think that voting for them and being nicer is going to teach them how to write better reviews. I think reviews get better over time because you learn from writing bad reviews.
02/12/2012
richsam richsam
Quote:
Originally posted by Nazaress
Do you vote much better for a review that isn't that great if you see that the author is new to the site?
depends
02/13/2012
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