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Contributor: Kayla Kayla
Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but I had a question: How much activity should we look for before voting a "yes" on an upgrade request? I know that the guidelines states "Votes are based on writing quality and overall activity." but I've been seeing votes on members who the only thing they've done is post their mandatory two reviews.

I know I held off on asking for an upgrade request because I assumed I hadn't been active enough. Is there some sort of activity level that I should be looking for, or is that some that we shouldn't look for anymore?
01/09/2010
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Contributor: J's Alley J's Alley
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Originally posted by Kayla
Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but I had a question: How much activity should we look for before voting a "yes" on an upgrade request? I know that the guidelines states "Votes are based on writing quality and overall ... more
There really isn't a mandatory activity level at all, but I {personally} refuse to vote for someone if they never respond to comments on their reviews at the least. To me that shows that they at least give a damn about the quality of the reviews they give
01/09/2010
Contributor: Kayla Kayla
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Originally posted by J's Alley
There really isn't a mandatory activity level at all, but I {personally} refuse to vote for someone if they never respond to comments on their reviews at the least. To me that shows that they at least give a damn about the quality of the reviews ... more
Iunno. I like to think that they should at least be voting/commenting on other reviews and some forum posts first. I mean, EF is giving them free toys to review in exchange for reviews and being part of the community. Or at least that's how I see it.
01/09/2010
Contributor: sarahbear sarahbear
I vote on people if they've got a decent review and seem like they're at least trying. My husband actually made a comment earlier about the Weekly Rumble. He thought it was sad to look at the number of people who have gotten upgraded to advanced and then to see the numbers of votes on the rumbles. There only seems to be a handful of participants that are very active.
01/09/2010
Contributor: Kayla Kayla
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Originally posted by sarahbear
I vote on people if they've got a decent review and seem like they're at least trying. My husband actually made a comment earlier about the Weekly Rumble. He thought it was sad to look at the number of people who have gotten upgraded to ... more
I guess that's kinda why I bring it up. I guess I feel that if EF is willing to send them free products to get involved with the community...well, they should be involved. It kinda makes me sad to always see the same regulars everywhere. Of course, I love the regulars, but you get my point.
01/09/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
I know there's been a few votes I've put in that were accidents. I didn't mean to vote for the person, but they ended up getting my vote.
01/09/2010
Contributor: sarahbear sarahbear
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
I know there's been a few votes I've put in that were accidents. I didn't mean to vote for the person, but they ended up getting my vote.
I did that before too. There was someone that I thought had absolutely awful reviews and they had 4 votes. I clicked to see who the hell voted for him and accidentally gave them the last vote for their upgrade.
01/09/2010
Contributor: TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
As a new person I can say that contributing to the forum can be a bit intimidating. However, I agree with Mistress Kay, if you want the upgrade, you should do at least put in the time around here. Which is why even though it is a bit intimidating, I'm doing it! It's sometimes hard to jump in, but once you do it's not so bad. At least that's what I'm telling myself...
01/09/2010
Contributor: Kayla Kayla
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Originally posted by TitsMcScandal
As a new person I can say that contributing to the forum can be a bit intimidating. However, I agree with Mistress Kay, if you want the upgrade, you should do at least put in the time around here. Which is why even though it is a bit intimidating, ... more
None of us around here bite, I promise. We're probably the most sexually-understanding people you can find.

And yeah, Sarahbear, I've seen people whose reviews aren't that good just sit there with four votes for ages. I never know how they manage that fifth vote. It almost seems like the accepted to rejected ratio is like 4:1.
01/09/2010
Contributor: removedacnt removedacnt
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Originally posted by J's Alley
There really isn't a mandatory activity level at all, but I {personally} refuse to vote for someone if they never respond to comments on their reviews at the least. To me that shows that they at least give a damn about the quality of the reviews ... more
I have an issue with people who won't reply to comments on their own reviews as well.
01/09/2010
Contributor: TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
Well I can say that I like it here so far. The conversations seem to be intellectual, which is a lot to say considering some sites are so daft in the community part.

@Newme, I think that's a problem with not reading all of the capabilities of the site. If I didn't read up on it, I would have no idea that you could comment on a review. I'm glad I did read that though. Seems like an important thing to know.
01/09/2010
Contributor: Sir Sir
The thing that I really look at is if the person responds to users comments, is receptive to help, and actually goes back and edits their reviews to make them better (unless the review is already good). If the person is already a good reviewer, then I vote them in. If they're mediocre but are responsive, then I will vote them in too.
01/09/2010
Contributor: J's Alley J's Alley
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Originally posted by sarahbear
I did that before too. There was someone that I thought had absolutely awful reviews and they had 4 votes. I clicked to see who the hell voted for him and accidentally gave them the last vote for their upgrade.
OMG I have done that before and I was so pissed off. I really wish there was a "oh shit that was an accident" button.
01/09/2010
Contributor: sophie2229 sophie2229
As a newly voted advanced reviewer (thanks guys!) I was wondering the same thing! I'm trying to be active in the forums, but it's difficult given the fact that I'm spending most of my time trying to put up reviews for the toys that I own. Since I'm having trouble balancing the forums and reviews, I'm trying to give the people that I'm voting on the benefit of the doubt with regards to their (potential) lack of participation.

But if a reviewer has had ::no:: participation in the forums, that participant would not get my vote.

That being said I do think that the most important quality in an advanced reviewer is the ability to write a thorough review. While being an active member is definitely important (everyone here has been so welcoming, a non-active member could be missing out on a great experience, and on great resources!), in the end, if a reviewer cannot accurately assess a product, he/she should not be an advanced reviewer regardless of his/her participation in the forums.
01/09/2010
Contributor: Holly Hox Holly Hox
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Originally posted by TitsMcScandal
As a new person I can say that contributing to the forum can be a bit intimidating. However, I agree with Mistress Kay, if you want the upgrade, you should do at least put in the time around here. Which is why even though it is a bit intimidating, ... more
JonsBabydoll - don't you worry about being intimidated! The folks here are really great. And so very helpful. I have posted a couple of questions about very personal things and they have given great and personal advice. With no judgement! It is a great place!
01/09/2010
Contributor: Pleasureman Pleasureman
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Originally posted by Kayla
Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but I had a question: How much activity should we look for before voting a "yes" on an upgrade request? I know that the guidelines states "Votes are based on writing quality and overall ... more
I vote for people who have really good reviews. I don’t vote for most of the people that come through though. I guess you could say I am fussy. What I have really noticed is people voting for just about anyone regardless of whether the reviews are helpful or not. I think what will happen is this. The people who are committed to EF will continue to review products while the people that are here for the free toys will drop out. You see, writing a review takes time, sometimes a good hour, and most people won't put in that type of time for a toy. That means that the majority of people who are dedicated will stay. I personally feel that as of now, the voting system needs some tweaking. I feel it is too lax.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by sophie2229
As a newly voted advanced reviewer (thanks guys!) I was wondering the same thing! I'm trying to be active in the forums, but it's difficult given the fact that I'm spending most of my time trying to put up reviews for the toys that I own. ... more
Welcome and if I could add..

A lot of has have a lot of time to spend here but folks don't. EF has a lot to offer and it's easier to tell how active a person is now with the new wall feature on profiles but I'm not going to hold it against someone if they aren't super duper active. Real life, you know? It takes time. It throws us curve balls and it doesn't wait for us to post on a forum, comment on a review or whatnot. I think as long as someone is trying to write quality reviews and replies to comments, I will probably vote them in. It's nice to see something extra but if it were meant to be a requirement, then it would be.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by TitsMcScandal
Well I can say that I like it here so far. The conversations seem to be intellectual, which is a lot to say considering some sites are so daft in the community part.

@Newme, I think that's a problem with not reading all of the ... more
There is a checkbox when you write reviews to be notified via e-mail of comments on it. I recommend using this ALL the time. I'm not sure how you missed it or the ability to comment on reviews. If you look at any review, you can see the comments section toward the bottom of the page.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Kayla Kayla
Quote:
Originally posted by sophie2229
As a newly voted advanced reviewer (thanks guys!) I was wondering the same thing! I'm trying to be active in the forums, but it's difficult given the fact that I'm spending most of my time trying to put up reviews for the toys that I own. ... more
Personally, I notice more often when people are active with reviewing than forums just off the top of my head, so I mean, active in either/or makes a huge difference.

I do see where you're going Adriana, but I saw a person get voted to Advanced recently when all that their wall included was their mandatory two reviews. The rest of the wall was blank. I understand people are busy, but I would like to see at least a couple comments on other reviews. It's not like I expect my amount of participation - I practically lack a life outside of EF. (That's just because I'm on break as well.)
01/10/2010
Contributor: TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
There is a checkbox when you write reviews to be notified via e-mail of comments on it. I recommend using this ALL the time. I'm not sure how you missed it or the ability to comment on reviews. If you look at any review, you can see the comments ... more
I didn't miss it. I'm saying I am glad I caught it because I wouldn't have thought to look for it otherwise because other sites that I have seen don't have that function.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Rockin' Rockin'
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Welcome and if I could add..

A lot of has have a lot of time to spend here but folks don't. EF has a lot to offer and it's easier to tell how active a person is now with the new wall feature on profiles but I'm not going to hold it ... more
I'd like to second most of Adriana's statements. Reviewers are called reviewers because they review things. Yes, we also call ourselves contributors, but if someone writes quality reviews, I feel like that is enough for them to be in the review program. The toys are sent out for review, not for review and X posts in the forum and X comments on other reviews and X time spent in the community. Some people may already have their own community or do not wish to be a part of the rest of the EF community for other reasons. That's the choice of each individual and doesn't affect the quality of reviews submitted. I agree that questions on reviews should be answered in a timely manner because that's part of the review itself, but I have trouble justifying why other activity affects the worthiness of someone to be in the review program.
01/10/2010
Contributor: sarahbear sarahbear
For me, the only other activity that I kind of expect is that they're at least reading some of other people's reviews and voting/commenting on them. It's kind of selfish to expect people to spend their time reading all of your reviews, voting/commenting and boosting your rating if you can't be bothered to do the same in exchange. Our ratings directly affect what types of products we're able to choose for review so it's pretty important that people participate.

Let's be honest here, people come here for the free toys. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just kind of rude to not contribute to the community when you're getting free stuff. Most people don't have time to read every single review or forum post, or article or interview and vote/comment on it. Some people, like my husband, don't really care at all for forums and message boards. I get that, but if they make time to do some of those things it helps familiarize people with their name. I'm much more inclined to read a review or article written by someone I've noticed around the community.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Juliettia Juliettia
My issue is that some of the reviewers who have only posted their two mandatory reviews, get voted to the advanced level, immediately turn around and vote for everyone in the upgrade requests.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Kayla Kayla
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Originally posted by Juliettia
My issue is that some of the reviewers who have only posted their two mandatory reviews, get voted to the advanced level, immediately turn around and vote for everyone in the upgrade requests.
Yep. I think that's half the problem.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Sir Sir
Whoa whoa whoa...since when could a person be allowed to be voted in with only one review?
01/10/2010
Contributor: Juliettia Juliettia
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Originally posted by Sir
Whoa whoa whoa...since when could a person be allowed to be voted in with only one review?
Totally agree! I think someone needs to look into changing this process, it has some flaws.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Juliettia Juliettia
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Originally posted by Juliettia
Totally agree! I think someone needs to look into changing this process, it has some flaws.
And by that I mean fixing the reviews needed and possibly put a time length of 30-60 days before a new advanced user can vote.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Kayla Kayla
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Originally posted by Sir
Whoa whoa whoa...since when could a person be allowed to be voted in with only one review?
If you're talking about the current one, she/he had two when they went up for review, but for some reason (not a clue why) the admin must have taken one of them down. I'm not sure why they left he/she up for review.
01/10/2010
Contributor: Sir Sir
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Originally posted by Kayla
If you're talking about the current one, she/he had two when they went up for review, but for some reason (not a clue why) the admin must have taken one of them down. I'm not sure why they left he/she up for review.
Ahhh, alright, that's what I thought. It confused me. I looked at the page and said, "There are two...but...where's the other one?"

I agree with what Julietta said, though. I think that a person, perhaps, should also have done at least five or so reviews before being allowed to vote new users in.

Then again, it's up to Edenfantasys what they prefer to do. It's their site, hey will run it as they see fit (and they do a very good job of it!)
01/10/2010
Contributor: J's Alley J's Alley
I don't look for forum activity, but if you don't have the decency to read reviews, comment, and replay to your own review comments (come on, it is like 30 minutes of your week really). Even if they only comment on one or two reviews a week...it says, hey I am here and I am active.

There are a few factors that make me say "No way, you are NOT getting my vote"
1. If you don't comment back about the comments, even a thank you people
2. If you have safety issues (I have read some that suggest anal penetration then vaginal...umm, no). I get it, they are new, so fix your review...if you don't I will not give you a useful vote, let alone an upgrade vote.

Someone can have a horrible review, but they change it based on comments...I will totally vote for them.

I also agree with Julietta, you should have a time limit before you can vote someone in. If someone is voted in and their best friend applies 10 hours later she should not be able to turn around and vote.
01/10/2010