When it comes to porn, the "default" is young, white, cis-gendered, and straight. But there are certain genres out there that "separate" certain bodies and turn them into a fetish, rather than holding them as equal and equally attractive to the default. This includes: Asians (particularly Asian women and Asian transgenders), black people (particularly men), transgenders in general (particularly transwomen), older individuals (particularly "MILFS"), and others that I'm sure I'm forgetting to include right now. How do you feel about this?
How do you feel about the porn fetishizing certain bodies?
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How do you feel about the fetishization of certain bodies?
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Why do you like (or not like) the fetishization of certain bodies?
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03/07/2012
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03/07/2012
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I suppose. But there's a difference between saying "I am attracted to anyone and would be a in a relationship with anyone, transsexual or not" and "I'm going to fuck this tranny whore just for fun".
Originally posted by
HugsAndBites
you like what you like
(Please excuse the language and the offensive term. It's to prove a point that this is what fetishization does to these groups of people. It makes them objects, rather than people.)
03/07/2012
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Porn is a business industry. Separating different body types is probably not intended discrimination, it is marketing. In any other situation, I would frown upon separating people based on their body types.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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03/07/2012
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There's also a difference in saying, for example, "I'm attracted to anyone" and "I'm only attracted to older women." If you're only like older women, for this example, then you want to watch porn that has older women, not porn that features everything else but.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
I suppose. But there's a difference between saying "I am attracted to anyone and would be a in a relationship with anyone, transsexual or not" and "I'm going to fuck this tranny whore just for fun".
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I suppose. But there's a difference between saying "I am attracted to anyone and would be a in a relationship with anyone, transsexual or not" and "I'm going to fuck this tranny whore just for fun".
(Please excuse the language and the offensive term. It's to prove a point that this is what fetishization does to these groups of people. It makes them objects, rather than people.) less
(Please excuse the language and the offensive term. It's to prove a point that this is what fetishization does to these groups of people. It makes them objects, rather than people.) less
03/07/2012
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This is very true and I definitely believe that some of the people who watch the porn they categorize under "fetish" porn are watching it simply because of that: It's what attracts them. For example, they may be attracted to black men so they seek this genre since white people are more prevalent in traditional porn. There is definitely nothing wrong with this. I also know that there are those who view it in the way that I stated and that, in my opinion, it seems the porn industry may be targeting these types. I just think it'd be much, much nicer if "regular" porn wasn't young, white, cis-people and "fetish" porn didn't contain everyone else. I wish that there was more variety in "regular" porn, period, so these groups can feel included and not like they're something separate from what's normally in "regular" porn. If that makes sense.
Originally posted by
Sammi
There's also a difference in saying, for example, "I'm attracted to anyone" and "I'm only attracted to older women." If you're only like older women, for this example, then you want to watch porn that has older
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There's also a difference in saying, for example, "I'm attracted to anyone" and "I'm only attracted to older women." If you're only like older women, for this example, then you want to watch porn that has older women, not porn that features everything else but.
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03/07/2012
I don't mind it to tell the truth, it disturbs me more when the ladies look so "artificial", their hairstyle, makeup, not to mention when they have fake bosom, ahhh, almost a total turnoff!!! :S:S:S
03/07/2012
I don't really mind. I'm not a picky person.
03/07/2012
There are types for every person, why watch porn you don't like to get to the parts you do like? I don't find a problem with this, it helps to narrow down all the movies, areas you visit so you can watch what you are interested in.
03/08/2012
I'm a redhead, ad I've got some extra weight. There two more fetishes for you: redheads and chubbys.
I don't see anything wrong with it really. I already think porn is dehumanizing, separating things into categories just helps companies market better. It also helps people who ar epicky find porn they like.
I don't watch porn, but If I did I'm relatively picky on what I see as visually appealing.
I'm pansexual and find persoanlities attractive. When it comes to porn I don't have a personality to go with so I have to objectify and go strictly on what I see as personally attractive.
Probably one of the reasons I'm so uncomfortable watching porn. 0.o
I don't see anything wrong with it really. I already think porn is dehumanizing, separating things into categories just helps companies market better. It also helps people who ar epicky find porn they like.
I don't watch porn, but If I did I'm relatively picky on what I see as visually appealing.
I'm pansexual and find persoanlities attractive. When it comes to porn I don't have a personality to go with so I have to objectify and go strictly on what I see as personally attractive.
Probably one of the reasons I'm so uncomfortable watching porn. 0.o
03/08/2012
I've never really had a problem with it since it does create a better experience for certain people who are into that fetish.
03/08/2012
It really depends on how it's marketed and described. It's disturbing to only have porn representing the sort of bodies society considers "normal" but it's also disturbing to always see dehumanizing language and situations surrounding the stuff representing everybody else. People find all sorts of other people hot, porn shouldn't have to assume anyone who watches, say, a video featuring an older, overweight, Asian trans woman has a kinky fetish when everyone is going to be sexy to someone and it's perfectly natural.
I would love to see more porn stuff featuring people outside the porno stereotypes and that is treated as perfectly "normal" fapping material.
I would love to see more porn stuff featuring people outside the porno stereotypes and that is treated as perfectly "normal" fapping material.
03/09/2012
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This is exactly what I was getting at. Thank you!
Originally posted by
GONE!
It really depends on how it's marketed and described. It's disturbing to only have porn representing the sort of bodies society considers "normal" but it's also disturbing to always see dehumanizing language and situations
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It really depends on how it's marketed and described. It's disturbing to only have porn representing the sort of bodies society considers "normal" but it's also disturbing to always see dehumanizing language and situations surrounding the stuff representing everybody else. People find all sorts of other people hot, porn shouldn't have to assume anyone who watches, say, a video featuring an older, overweight, Asian trans woman has a kinky fetish when everyone is going to be sexy to someone and it's perfectly natural.
I would love to see more porn stuff featuring people outside the porno stereotypes and that is treated as perfectly "normal" fapping material. less
I would love to see more porn stuff featuring people outside the porno stereotypes and that is treated as perfectly "normal" fapping material. less
03/09/2012
I'm attracted to blonde girls with blue eyes or brunettes with blue eyes. If they made some porn (and I'm sure it exists I just haven't dug around) with only blue eyed people, I'd totally buy it. It's not a fetish, just a strong preference. I also prefer pale skin over tan, also not a fetish. Having categories of porn helps to separate what I'll likely be interested in.
For example, I have a friend who is attracted to pregnant females. Cool by me, but I don't really wanna see a lot of pregnant girls in the porn I buy/watch. In the same way, one may not want to see other types of people in their porn. To me, the classification of white/black/Asian/preg nant/MILF/whatever is no different than saying "straight" or "gay" porn. It's just a way to separate it out. If you had a porn with a little bit of everything, you'd have to buy a lot of porn to get three scenes you were really into, you know?
I think overall that if you made a hodgepodge video like that it simply wouldn't sell and at the end of the day porn is a business. Making a nice, well rounded porn might be good for morale and such, but if it collects dust on shelves and the company loses money on it, it doesn't matter much.
That said, I have seen some that overdo it. There's no need to dehumanize different types of people in porn. Not all porn does this, but there is certainly some that does. That I'm not a fan of.
For example, I have a friend who is attracted to pregnant females. Cool by me, but I don't really wanna see a lot of pregnant girls in the porn I buy/watch. In the same way, one may not want to see other types of people in their porn. To me, the classification of white/black/Asian/preg nant/MILF/whatever is no different than saying "straight" or "gay" porn. It's just a way to separate it out. If you had a porn with a little bit of everything, you'd have to buy a lot of porn to get three scenes you were really into, you know?
I think overall that if you made a hodgepodge video like that it simply wouldn't sell and at the end of the day porn is a business. Making a nice, well rounded porn might be good for morale and such, but if it collects dust on shelves and the company loses money on it, it doesn't matter much.
That said, I have seen some that overdo it. There's no need to dehumanize different types of people in porn. Not all porn does this, but there is certainly some that does. That I'm not a fan of.
03/09/2012
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I can understand categorizing it, as offensive as it can seem, because of everything you said. I guess my problem with it is the way they advertise it and treat the supposed "fetish" groups (and the fact that they call them "fetishes" at all as opposed to normal sexual preferences). Like you said, they can dehumanize them.
Originally posted by
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I'm attracted to blonde girls with blue eyes or brunettes with blue eyes. If they made some porn (and I'm sure it exists I just haven't dug around) with only blue eyed people, I'd totally buy it. It's not a fetish, just a strong
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I'm attracted to blonde girls with blue eyes or brunettes with blue eyes. If they made some porn (and I'm sure it exists I just haven't dug around) with only blue eyed people, I'd totally buy it. It's not a fetish, just a strong preference. I also prefer pale skin over tan, also not a fetish. Having categories of porn helps to separate what I'll likely be interested in.
For example, I have a friend who is attracted to pregnant females. Cool by me, but I don't really wanna see a lot of pregnant girls in the porn I buy/watch. In the same way, one may not want to see other types of people in their porn. To me, the classification of white/black/Asian/preg nant/MILF/whatever is no different than saying "straight" or "gay" porn. It's just a way to separate it out. If you had a porn with a little bit of everything, you'd have to buy a lot of porn to get three scenes you were really into, you know?
I think overall that if you made a hodgepodge video like that it simply wouldn't sell and at the end of the day porn is a business. Making a nice, well rounded porn might be good for morale and such, but if it collects dust on shelves and the company loses money on it, it doesn't matter much.
That said, I have seen some that overdo it. There's no need to dehumanize different types of people in porn. Not all porn does this, but there is certainly some that does. That I'm not a fan of. less
For example, I have a friend who is attracted to pregnant females. Cool by me, but I don't really wanna see a lot of pregnant girls in the porn I buy/watch. In the same way, one may not want to see other types of people in their porn. To me, the classification of white/black/Asian/preg nant/MILF/whatever is no different than saying "straight" or "gay" porn. It's just a way to separate it out. If you had a porn with a little bit of everything, you'd have to buy a lot of porn to get three scenes you were really into, you know?
I think overall that if you made a hodgepodge video like that it simply wouldn't sell and at the end of the day porn is a business. Making a nice, well rounded porn might be good for morale and such, but if it collects dust on shelves and the company loses money on it, it doesn't matter much.
That said, I have seen some that overdo it. There's no need to dehumanize different types of people in porn. Not all porn does this, but there is certainly some that does. That I'm not a fan of. less
03/09/2012
i don't mind. there's such a variety of porn out there.
03/12/2012
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Yeah, I totally agree with that. There's ways to categorize less offensively.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
I can understand categorizing it, as offensive as it can seem, because of everything you said. I guess my problem with it is the way they advertise it and treat the supposed "fetish" groups (and the fact that they call them
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I can understand categorizing it, as offensive as it can seem, because of everything you said. I guess my problem with it is the way they advertise it and treat the supposed "fetish" groups (and the fact that they call them "fetishes" at all as opposed to normal sexual preferences). Like you said, they can dehumanize them.
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03/12/2012
I don't particularly care.
03/13/2012
Ewveryone has preferences.
03/13/2012
While I don't mind people having a wide variety of preferences, I do think the porn industry (like most media) tends to reduce many groups down to a very limited caricature of what they're actually like. While I don't mind any of these groups being depicted in porn, I think the depictions and categorizations are often a little troubling...and is part of the reason that I usually don't have much interest in mainstream porn.
03/13/2012
I agree that separating things out helps "specialize" the market so people can buy what they want. Honestly I would watch just about any of the categories outside of the norm. I'm not a big fan of super skinny artificial looking girls. I don't think all of those categories listed really get to the point of fetishizing body types, though. I do think Asians and transsexuals get the short end of that stick, so to speak. However, you can also find non fetishized porn with a cast that isn't the norm by searching out porn made for those groups instead of mainstream porn targeting those groups.
03/13/2012
It's really all a categorization thing, methinks.
I can understand the desire to say "this is the group of porn that is really sexy and is the penultimate sex you'll ever see" and have it be a mix of everything. However, not everyone is turned on by same-sex or hetero-sex scenes, for example.
I wouldn't think of it as fetishizing though, I don't think it's that personal.
I can understand the desire to say "this is the group of porn that is really sexy and is the penultimate sex you'll ever see" and have it be a mix of everything. However, not everyone is turned on by same-sex or hetero-sex scenes, for example.
I wouldn't think of it as fetishizing though, I don't think it's that personal.
03/13/2012
I don't mind the categorization aspect of "non-mainstream" porn. Heck, that makes it easier for me to navigate according to my interests.
No, what I often have a problem with -- and this really goes for the vast majority of pornography -- is the gross dehumanizing aspect that goes along with it. There's a sense of combined mockery and titillation there. Derogatory insults are often directed toward the "stars" of the flick. You don't know how many times I have tried (and failed) to watch BBW porn only to see some poor girl get spit on and called a 'plumper' and a 'piggy' and made to eat lots of food during the shoot and it feels like they're laughing at her even while they're fucking her. It churns my stomach and even triggers some of my own memories of mental/emotional abuse regarding my size.
It *is* okay to have preferences for anything. Really. What *isn't* okay is presenting it in an offensive way.
No, what I often have a problem with -- and this really goes for the vast majority of pornography -- is the gross dehumanizing aspect that goes along with it. There's a sense of combined mockery and titillation there. Derogatory insults are often directed toward the "stars" of the flick. You don't know how many times I have tried (and failed) to watch BBW porn only to see some poor girl get spit on and called a 'plumper' and a 'piggy' and made to eat lots of food during the shoot and it feels like they're laughing at her even while they're fucking her. It churns my stomach and even triggers some of my own memories of mental/emotional abuse regarding my size.
It *is* okay to have preferences for anything. Really. What *isn't* okay is presenting it in an offensive way.
03/13/2012
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That was essentially my point and thank you for adding to the discussion.
Originally posted by
Alatariel Surion
I don't mind the categorization aspect of "non-mainstream" porn. Heck, that makes it easier for me to navigate according to my interests.
No, what I often have a problem with -- and this really goes for the vast majority of ... more
No, what I often have a problem with -- and this really goes for the vast majority of ... more
I don't mind the categorization aspect of "non-mainstream" porn. Heck, that makes it easier for me to navigate according to my interests.
No, what I often have a problem with -- and this really goes for the vast majority of pornography -- is the gross dehumanizing aspect that goes along with it. There's a sense of combined mockery and titillation there. Derogatory insults are often directed toward the "stars" of the flick. You don't know how many times I have tried (and failed) to watch BBW porn only to see some poor girl get spit on and called a 'plumper' and a 'piggy' and made to eat lots of food during the shoot and it feels like they're laughing at her even while they're fucking her. It churns my stomach and even triggers some of my own memories of mental/emotional abuse regarding my size.
It *is* okay to have preferences for anything. Really. What *isn't* okay is presenting it in an offensive way. less
No, what I often have a problem with -- and this really goes for the vast majority of pornography -- is the gross dehumanizing aspect that goes along with it. There's a sense of combined mockery and titillation there. Derogatory insults are often directed toward the "stars" of the flick. You don't know how many times I have tried (and failed) to watch BBW porn only to see some poor girl get spit on and called a 'plumper' and a 'piggy' and made to eat lots of food during the shoot and it feels like they're laughing at her even while they're fucking her. It churns my stomach and even triggers some of my own memories of mental/emotional abuse regarding my size.
It *is* okay to have preferences for anything. Really. What *isn't* okay is presenting it in an offensive way. less
03/14/2012
Don't mind it at all, everyone has there tastes and having porn categorized in that way allows you to get what you want. I wouldn't want to pay for a porn and watch 20% of it because I wasn't attracted to the other participants because it was all lumped together.
03/14/2012
I think its alright
03/15/2012
Everyone has their own thing and as long as there is nothing like animals or children involved I am pretty much ok with it. With porn if you make it ... They will cum. (that was horrible I know). Everyone likes to do and watch their own thing. I like hardcore bdsm porn and it can be hard to find that without latex or foot fetishes involved so I just fast forward through the stuff we don't like!
03/15/2012
I guess I dont' mind that much
03/18/2012
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I agree
Originally posted by
NarcissisticLust
Porn is a business industry. Separating different body types is probably not intended discrimination, it is marketing. In any other situation, I would frown upon separating people based on their body types.
03/19/2012
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I completely agree with Narcissistic Lust. The only issue I have is when people push their bodies to morbid obesity or heroin chic to meet the demand.
Originally posted by
NarcissisticLust
Porn is a business industry. Separating different body types is probably not intended discrimination, it is marketing. In any other situation, I would frown upon separating people based on their body types.
I know several BBWs in porn that REFUSE to lose weight even though its causing MAJOR health issues because their weight is a source of income
04/12/2012
anything and anyone could be considered a fetish. I don't think there is a porn 'default'
04/12/2012
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But Nazaress is right that most porn features the same kind of people.
Originally posted by
<3BF
anything and anyone could be considered a fetish. I don't think there is a porn 'default'
05/12/2012
I don't mind it. Everybody has their own thing that turns them on.
05/13/2012
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everyone likes what they like..its different for everyone..
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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05/14/2012
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I have noticed this to an extent. It does not really bother though. I think to each there own.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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06/06/2012
I don't mind it but I can understand how it would bother some people.
06/06/2012
It seems judgmental to me.
06/30/2012
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I am glad to be separated into the MILF class. I don't care - for sure more folks are turned on and want to see some 20 something hardbody - male or female - getting it on and so what - good for them. I am comfortable being in a fringe-fetish and specialty class.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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07/09/2012
I just noticed the wording of 'porn fetishizing certain bodies'. I query whether or not that's accurate. It's not so much the porn industry that's doing the fetishing (fetishising?), but rather it's people who have these fetishes, and the porn industry - as has been stated - is merely responding to a need - not creating it.
07/09/2012
People like what they like. Who am I to critique their taste? Plus with the Internet you can find whatever you "need".
07/12/2012
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Not my thing but to each his own.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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07/12/2012
Having formerly worked in adult retail, I have seen a lot of boxcovers and blurbs for all sorts of porn. It's apparent that the entire industry can be shamelessly obnoxious, but I often find it offensive when it involves certain demographics. MILFs/age-related niche stuff doesn't bother me, but the presentation of differently-sized and/or nonwhite performers can be really toxic.
It's tricky to get into this issue without getting a little thought police about people's sexual desires. However, taking the premise that the majority (say, 85%) of porn is dehumanizing, it seems that once you start looking for this type of content, 99% of it is marketed in a dehumanizing fashion. And I guess my biggest problem with this is that if your desires fall outside of the typical porn bodies, you end up with a lot of unpleasant baggage.
It's tricky to get into this issue without getting a little thought police about people's sexual desires. However, taking the premise that the majority (say, 85%) of porn is dehumanizing, it seems that once you start looking for this type of content, 99% of it is marketed in a dehumanizing fashion. And I guess my biggest problem with this is that if your desires fall outside of the typical porn bodies, you end up with a lot of unpleasant baggage.
07/24/2012
Whatever floats your boat.. so long as the other person is cool with it
07/25/2012
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i agree. it makes it easier to find what your loooking for
Originally posted by
NarcissisticLust
Porn is a business industry. Separating different body types is probably not intended discrimination, it is marketing. In any other situation, I would frown upon separating people based on their body types.
07/27/2012
As humans, we are wired for categorical thinking. Our preferences change depending on culture, and our innate cycle (as seen with women when ovulating vs menstrating). I don't think it's bad that companies are strategic with their marketing as we like what we like, and are drawn to novelty, at least initially. I think what can be more damaging are the messages we grow up with, which inform how we perceive the world and manage the info we retain. If a parent takes the time and patience to teach critical thinking, importance of intimacy, conflict resolution, and human value, those who view porn will be able to maintain the value of all people we view. I guess where I am going with this is that it can be a problem when we don't know how to value others or chose not too see the value in others. If we can, then we will be more resistant to falling into the trap of objectification without value or personhood. Just my thoughts though...
08/06/2012
It intimidates me actually. Girls/guys expect me to have a big penis.
12/11/2012
I do not really care. People can watch whatever they choose.
12/12/2012
I don't mind either way.
12/12/2012
It makes me uncomfortable.
12/12/2012
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Never really bothered me. People watch what turns them on.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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12/13/2012
I am with the majority in that I don't really mind one way or the other.
12/15/2012
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It's great that they are starting to use more people who aren't cookie-cutter porn actors, but fetishizing is harmful to a lot of people and it's very dangerous.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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I don't know why they can't just use them without making it a big fetish thing, is all.
12/16/2012
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you like what you like, but i dont like it.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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12/22/2012
i really do hate it, as it's a reflection and perpetuation of racism, misogyny, and homophobia, which are so so so violent.
12/22/2012
It is what it is...I don't think much about it. Mostly I think about it as categories that help you find what you like, not fetishizing.
01/07/2013
If it's not child-porn or bestiality I'm OK with it.
01/08/2013
I find the straight white skinny types very boring.
01/08/2013
i don't mind it
01/27/2013
dont mind it
01/27/2013
i don't mind it. whatever people are into is what they're into. who am i to judge?
01/27/2013
I don't mind it
01/27/2013
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Agreed. When we watch porn sometimes we want to see a particular "type" of porn, it's the easiest way to find what you are looking for.
Originally posted by
js250
There are types for every person, why watch porn you don't like to get to the parts you do like? I don't find a problem with this, it helps to narrow down all the movies, areas you visit so you can watch what you are interested in.
01/28/2013
I don't know; I never watched porn for leisure for that reason! I want to get into it... but I don't like the way that people get fetishized...
02/05/2013
I think it's irritating. But I don't really know of any way around it because when people are interested in a particular fetishized group, that is what they will search for. So that is why porn sites are broken up this way, even if it is overly simplistic.
The real problem is if porn influences people's views and expectations of that group in the real world.
The real problem is if porn influences people's views and expectations of that group in the real world.
02/23/2013
I never really thought about it before. I guess I don't really mind.
05/26/2013
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03/07/2012
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I don't like or dislike it since I don't really watch porn anyway. However, I think the companies subdivide the actors/actresses as a way to offer specific products to their consumers. It's like all of the different kinds of subgenres of movies, music, videogames, etc. For people who want only a specific subgenre, then it's easy for them to find it and (most importantly for the company) buy it.
03/16/2012
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I really dont like the fetishization of the morbidly obese. 1. Its disgusting 2. Its not healthy for the person. Some of these BBW are REFUSING to lose weight because them being 100lbs over weight is their living, thats not right.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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04/12/2012
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i dont like bbw fetishes, because it is unhealthy for the individual. i also dont like how some people have a pregnant lady fetish. nothing wrong with having sex while pregnant, but if thats all your in to, then your lady will basically get turned into breeding stock or youre having sex with someone who is carrying another persons baby which seems wrong.
Originally posted by
Nazaress
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12/22/2012
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