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Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
Also, learn how to research, darn it! Sorry, I'll sit quietly now.
you will NOT These are the suggestions we need....most of the problems we have as editors is the lack of real supportable research from so called experts and the skill to present the research without plagiarizing it.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Loriandhubby Loriandhubby
Champagne Dellarose – Innocence Forgotten
In the dark shadows, she slowly walks along the cracked sidewalk. Lost in her thoughts, her mind drifts back long summer nights on the prairie.

Whistles from passersby snap her mind back. She pauses to light a cigarette. No longer the shy girl she once was, her life will never be the same.

Never again to walk through the golden fields of grain, now her nights are filled with drinking and dancing. In a smokey dance hall all of her innocence is forgotten.

With the twist of her shoe, she puts out her smoke and turns around. As she walks through the door her heart falls, “Good evening Miss. Champagne”. No longer Miss. Dellarose the daughter of a wheat farmer, now she is the desire of many and the wife of none.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by XxFallenAngelxX
I'm just getting in, so I'm going back and forth and reading. My mind is not ready to write just yet. It's been a crazy day!
not a problem if the creative juices aren't flowing it's just not gonna happen! I think we have a pretty good story going as it is!
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by Loriandhubby
i would love to work on stuff like..

how articles are different than essays. How to effectively write an article that does not leave the reader hanging. .. I guess that is how you say it.
great ideas! Keep 'em coming...
01/14/2013
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
Quote:
Originally posted by Airen Wolf
you will NOT These are the suggestions we need....most of the problems we have as editors is the lack of real supportable research from so called experts and the skill to present the research without plagiarizing it.
You awakened the I-have-a-degree-in-thi s monster.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Loriandhubby Loriandhubby
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Originally posted by Ansley
There's a difference between persuasive arguments and just arguing your point. And I think it's really important that we know the difference.
that is what i was thinking. i have a hard time figuring out the right words sometimes.

i really agree with the research part, and also how to quote in an article. and what is really paraphrasing. even paraphrasing needs some sort of acknowledged as not your own thoughts.. Doesn't it?? i'm not sure.. but i think so.

i have read a few articles that seem to present one subject at the begging and then the thought is not continued throughout and they change through. i left the article confused. maybe if these was some sort of outline to help those who need help.. idk. just a thought..
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley
There's a difference between persuasive arguments and just arguing your point. And I think it's really important that we know the difference.
a workshop on what makes a persuasive argument, how to organize the research to support your opinion, and how to present the information in a persuasive manner....I think sometimes people don;t really understand that the object of these types of articles is to actually change someone's opinion, to persuade them of your way of thinking. Usually the best way to do this isn't to be offensive and attacking. There are exceptions, mind you, but generally a well thought out argument supported by real facts will always be more persuasive than a rant with incomplete knowledge.
01/14/2013
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
Something else that needs to be addressed, both in reviews and Sexis is this:
If you copy and paste a great big block of text and don't use quotes or say where it's from, that's plagiarism, of course.

What so many people don't get is that if you post so the same thing without quotations, but say where it's from, guess what? Still plagiarism, unless it is formated so that it is easy to tell that it is a quote.

Either way, it is bad form to copy and paste big blocks of texts, whether or not you attribute them correctly.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Ansley Ansley
Quote:
Originally posted by Airen Wolf
a workshop on what makes a persuasive argument, how to organize the research to support your opinion, and how to present the information in a persuasive manner....I think sometimes people don;t really understand that the object of these types of ... more
The Devil's Advocate - perfect example (I have a total girly hard-on for Roland's articles, even when his bias shows).
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by Loriandhubby
Champagne Dellarose – Innocence Forgotten
In the dark shadows, she slowly walks along the cracked sidewalk. Lost in her thoughts, her mind drifts back long summer nights on the prairie.

Whistles from passersby snap her mind back. She ... more
oooooooh we need to weave this in to the story! HAWT!
01/14/2013
Contributor: Ansley Ansley
Quote:
Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
Something else that needs to be addressed, both in reviews and Sexis is this:
If you copy and paste a great big block of text and don't use quotes or say where it's from, that's plagiarism, of course.

What so many people ... more
No one should be copying anyone or anything, even themselves.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Loriandhubby Loriandhubby
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
oooooooh we need to weave this in to the story! HAWT!
blushing, thank you. i'm glad it was usable..
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by Loriandhubby
that is what i was thinking. i have a hard time figuring out the right words sometimes.

i really agree with the research part, and also how to quote in an article. and what is really paraphrasing. even paraphrasing needs some sort of ... more
that was one of the reasons I was tapped to help some of the authors in a more hands on way. Article organization is a skill and it can be taught but it just seems like most writers believe that one draft is all you need to do....sometimes it is but more often you really need to take a step back and really think about the flow of your article. I am hoping to really get into a good discussion about building an article map and possibly even a flow chart. Quite a lot of the articles are so much better after just moving paragraphs and thoughts around...
01/14/2013
Contributor: Lickable Lollie Lickable Lollie
Personally, I'm really interested in the contest, since Stormy mentioned it to me. I just don't know where to begin. I don't even know where to find the topics that I need to be writing on...
01/14/2013
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
Quote:
Originally posted by Airen Wolf
that was one of the reasons I was tapped to help some of the authors in a more hands on way. Article organization is a skill and it can be taught but it just seems like most writers believe that one draft is all you need to do....sometimes it is but ... more
And read it out loud. Read it out loud. I'll say again, read it out loud. If it doesn't flow right to your ear, it doesn't on paper.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
Something else that needs to be addressed, both in reviews and Sexis is this:
If you copy and paste a great big block of text and don't use quotes or say where it's from, that's plagiarism, of course.

What so many people ... more
we use the 10% guide to judge whether quoted material is actually being quoted or copied. If more than 10% of your work is quoted material then it is simply copied not original work and we will reject it. If you don't use proper quotation marks and properly cite your source we reject it as plagiarized. 10% is not a whole lot unless you are as wordy as I tend to be. In 500 words there just isn't a whole lot you can quote and meet the criteria.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
And read it out loud. Read it out loud. I'll say again, read it out loud. If it doesn't flow right to your ear, it doesn't on paper.
ABSOLUTELY! It should sound like music to your ears and the thoughts should flow like a smooth running brook bubbling with ideas....stop me NOW!
01/14/2013
Contributor: Ansley Ansley
Quote:
Originally posted by Airen Wolf
that was one of the reasons I was tapped to help some of the authors in a more hands on way. Article organization is a skill and it can be taught but it just seems like most writers believe that one draft is all you need to do....sometimes it is but ... more
YES!

Oh you all are making me terribly happy right now!
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley
The Devil's Advocate - perfect example (I have a total girly hard-on for Roland's articles, even when his bias shows).
Heh even when I totally disagree with him I still appreciate the article...
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by Loriandhubby
blushing, thank you. i'm glad it was usable..
if you don't mind can I write a bit of a lead in and help it fit with the current story? It could be the totally amazing back of the book excerpt from Champagne's Mother's book....
01/14/2013
Contributor: Ansley Ansley
Quote:
Originally posted by Airen Wolf
Heh even when I totally disagree with him I still appreciate the article...
Pretty much, which is the mark of an excellent writer.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Loriandhubby Loriandhubby
Arien, that is exactly what I am thinking. Many times I write an article or even a review. Then when I read it again, I find that moving sentences or thoughts really helps with the flow.

I think it is real important to look at the purpose for your writing and what the reader will leave with. It is hard to loose sight of that in a short article.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
So how did you guys like this meeting format? I'm trying to get away from the stuffy predictable type or meetings. I want to be all creative and have some fun discussions....like maybe we could all pick an author, read up on him/her and then discuss them pithily...
We could also find an obscure form of writing or poetry and learn about it then try our hands. Really the sky's the limit.
We could do serial type stories as well...written during the month on the meeting forum and then compiled to share with the community on SexIs.
Throw out your ideas here...what would you like to see? Book discussions? Different writing styles? Collaborative work?
01/14/2013
Contributor: Loriandhubby Loriandhubby
Quote:
Originally posted by Airen Wolf
if you don't mind can I write a bit of a lead in and help it fit with the current story? It could be the totally amazing back of the book excerpt from Champagne's Mother's book....
sounds great to me.. let your creative juices flow
01/14/2013
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
Also important to instruct people to leave their article alone for an hour after they read it before coming back to proofread.
01/14/2013
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
Quote:
Originally posted by Airen Wolf
So how did you guys like this meeting format? I'm trying to get away from the stuffy predictable type or meetings. I want to be all creative and have some fun discussions....like maybe we could all pick an author, read up on him/her and then ... more
All of it.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by Loriandhubby
Arien, that is exactly what I am thinking. Many times I write an article or even a review. Then when I read it again, I find that moving sentences or thoughts really helps with the flow.

I think it is real important to look at the purpose for ... more
Precisely! My most common question for authors asking for help with their articles is; "What is the purpose of this article?" It it so important to have a clear idea about what you are doing and where you are going....that way the creative process doesn't lead you down a dark alley and tug off your panties!
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
Also important to instruct people to leave their article alone for an hour after they read it before coming back to proofread.
or overnight....or read it out loud to the dog. If it flows properly your dog will not go to sleep or lick himself. He will be interested because your voice will be interesting to listen to. That's a trick I learned a while back. Doesn't work with cats though they will go to sleep if your voice is soothing and flows....or if they particularly want to sleep.
01/14/2013
Contributor: Lickable Lollie Lickable Lollie
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
Precisely! My most common question for authors asking for help with their articles is; "What is the purpose of this article?" It it so important to have a clear idea about what you are doing and where you are going....that way the creative ... more
haha wow...that last statement made me literally LOL
01/14/2013
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by Loriandhubby
sounds great to me.. let your creative juices flow
mmmmmm yes....(rubs hands together....)
01/14/2013