DEFINITELY! Uughh, just a reason for women to deny the fact that some of them are actual whores <_< tch.
Sex is sex is sex!

HAHAHA! @maryjane - i love that! I agree, penetration is penetration - no matter what hole - or how many times...

If you really feel the need to say that your vagina is a virgin - simply state that. Depending on the guy - the fact that your vagina hasnt been penetrated may be a turn on - or a turn off... simply put - tell the truth. LOL

Thats my theory.

"You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

Look, we've got a good thing going here. Don't. Blow. It.

Also, I agree that it is offensive.

DanelleJohns,
I agree with your statements.
Way too many of us have the "I've got to be right, no matter the cost" attitude.
Life is too damn short to argue with someone over such trivialities.
Some years ago, out in California a fellow made a statement that many ridiculed. But Rodney King may have been the wisest of us when he asked "Can we get along?"

I also have to agree that this is offensive.

As far as the virgin conversation is concerned, in my OPINION, penetration is penetration. But virginity is in the eye of the beholder. If one thinks that they are a virgin until THEY have vaginal intercourse, it's their decision. They aren't putting their beliefs off on you. If they are, and tell you you are also a virgin and you don't see it that way, there is nothing in this world that says you have to agree. And may even state so. But no one deserves to be called names for how they feel on the inside.

My mind is actually blown by the judgmental responses in this thread.


In response to the "dictionary definition of virgin" I'm offering up this:


vir·gin noun \'v?r-j?n\
Definition of VIRGIN

1a : an unmarried woman devoted to religion
b capitalized : virgo

2a : an absolutely chaste young woman
b : an unmarried girl or woman

3 capitalized : virgin mary

4a : a person who has not had sexual intercourse
b : a person who is inexperienced in a usually specified sphere of activity

5: a female animal that has never copulated


Okay, so it's an absolutely chaste young woman (but what about men?!) or someone who's not had sexual intercourse.
So, let's define 'chaste' and 'sexual intercourse, too.

Chaste is defined as, "Innocent of unlawful sexual intercourse," "celibate" or "pure in thought or act."

Now, in many states, sodomy (oral AND anal sex both count for this one) is illegal. So, a virgin is someone who's never had anal sex. Moving on...


Sexual intercourse: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis: coitus.

So, a 'virgin' is someone who is 'innocent of unlawful sexual intercourse' who has not had 'heterosexual intercourse involving PIV sex.'



And the implication that someone not wanting lube (even for anal) is 'dirty' is really insulting to people who, that's right, DON'T WANT LUBE.

O.o sorry you found that term offensive. I didn't mean to offend. The term 'hoebag' has always been a more friendly teasing word. Anyway, I don't understand this. It goes in therefore doesn't that mean you've clearly been penetrated? Does this mean since I'm gay I'll always be a 'virgin'? Only curious.

I think that virginity is self-defined, nobody can decide when you have or have not lost your virginity.


If we're just using the definition of penetration as our litmus paper, wouldn't anyone who's been penetrated by a sex toy has lost their virginity? Or a tampon, or a finger, for that matter?

I agree with everything you've said here. I'm kind of surprised by all the "whore" talk. To me, virginity is subjective. I gave oral sex before I had vaginal sex, and at that point I still considered myself a virgin. I'm not sure what I would have thought if I'd had anal sex before vaginal, but if I wanted to consider myself a virgin still, so be it. It's not really anyone else's business.

And yeah, I used tampons before I had sex. Didn't make me not a virgin. Plenty of people even think that the loss of the hymen means loss of virginity, but hymens can be lost in all sorts of ways- sports injuries, tampons, bike accidents, whatever. It's up to that person what they think of themselves.

This whole emphasis United States culture places on the idea of virginity is so foreign to me. I'm lesbian, I've never so much as kissed a man, but I've done things with women that would blow the minds of a great many straight-sex-having men.

Does that mean I'm still a virgin? I've been fucked, with fingers, with cocks, with tongues, but because that cock wasn't attached to a man, I'm a virgin? What does it matter, anyway? What difference does it make?

But the whole focus on virginity is a totally different subject entirely and I won't derail this thread further...

What a crock!