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MrWill
My point is this: Every time someone mis-steps about anything to do with the Trans rights movement.. It is almost NEVER handled constructively. Usually, there are lots of rants about how offended people are. Humanity is offensive. We are a like
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My point is this: Every time someone mis-steps about anything to do with the Trans rights movement.. It is almost NEVER handled constructively. Usually, there are lots of rants about how offended people are. Humanity is offensive. We are a like planetary parasite. If it wasn't the Trans rights movement, it would be race, if it wasn't race it would be women's rights, if it wasn't women's rights it would be where people came from.
You know how stuff gets done? People put their head down and nose to the grindstone and keep toiling through whatever problems there are and eventually, however slowly... things change. You can't honestly expect thousands of years of societal norms to be brushed away in a matter of decades.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
I'm just saying... consider a different approach. You get sent a survey worth $10.00 worth of points, and come to the forums pouring a complaint here. All that is going to happen here is a lot of boo-boo kissing and agreeing/disagreeing.
I think you did the right thing contacting the management, as it is the only way you can really expect progress here. I applaud that you actually did so, and you should keep working toward recognition of your sexual identity.. whatever that may be.
On that note: Peace, Namaste, Buenos Noches, Adieu. I've said my piece and I'm out.
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Your response to this whole thing is rather hostile, and assuming you are a white het cis male falling outside any sort of marginalized group it may be hard to see how people within the minority (ie, queers, women, and people of color) are angry about constantly talking about the same issues over and over. being angry about these types of things is a totally okay and reasonable response to oppression.
This person was upset and rightfully so, and shared those feelings with the community, to which you assumed they did nothing more than "complain." However by having what would be considered an open discussion about sexual identity and gender norms, by pointing out that the EF survey was non-inclusive, lead to constructive feedback on the subject.
Yes, we are all human and fuck up once in a while, but all should be open to cirtizim when they do so should be welcomed. Again, thats exactally what tree hugger did. I dont agree that there was any sort of "holier than thou" approach to this, and yet you seem to have taken this more as a personal attack and your responses seem more of a snuff than considering why these people are legitimately angry and why that is.
I dont know anyone in any sort of movement who by keeping "their head down and nose to the grindstone and keep toiling through whatever problems there are" having anything change for them. I mean if you want we can apply this to the abolishment of slavery and jim crow. The only reason these things ever changed is because people voice their option, they kept doing so, they we're angry and they show their anger, and they kept fighting. And even even after Brown v. Board of Education people of color had to still fight for equal rights, it wasn't until 4 years after that rosa parks was protesting segregation laws that federal court already deemed unconstitutional, and it was until 10 years later did any real equality come about. This did not happen because these people "toiling through whatever problems," it was because they kept demanding the same thing over and over and over until eventually poc's actually gained some real rights within states.
The attitude you've exhibited (unlike anything i've ever seen of you before, and honestly its very disheartening because i really enjoy/admire you) is not really the most attractive and hind of hostil to say the least. I understand you are sharing your opinion and your current frustrations as is your right to do but you have to imagine putting the shoe on the other foot, and understand just how hard it is for a disenfranchised group of people, such an non-identifying folk to go about a day to day.
Also please dont think this is an attack on your person on any thing like such, but from the way you've stated your last two responses i felt the need to explain my thoughts and feelings on the situation - and i want to avoid any sort of hostility or hurt feelings in the matter.
