strict gun laws won't do much do you see this as a better option?
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Do you think the government should use our tax money to put and require all schools to put metal detectors in?
12/17/2012
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No. Simply no.
12/17/2012
Nope if some sicko wants in they will get in regardless of metal detectors.
12/17/2012
Money could be better spent elsewhere.
12/17/2012
My wife is a teacher and my mother was for 35 years. I don't think metal detectors would help. Look at Friday, more security was in place than in many schools and there still was a tragedy. I'm not a gun nut by any stretch so it seems weird to say I don't think we should have metal detectors, but I think it wouldn't do the good we'd hope it would.
12/17/2012
Metal detectors don't stop sick fucks from getting through. Sad but true fact.
12/17/2012
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Someone breaking in is not stopping at a metal detector ( and it might not detect polymer weapons anyway). We need volunteer staff at schools to be very proficiantly trained with firearms, and lock down doors to isolate intruders and protect the children and staff. We need a safe environment to nuture our children and since bad guys and dangerously antisocial people will always be among us, we need to figure out how to put up our best and strongest "last line of defense"! Sure, let's try and stop it before it happens....but if we can't, what's the best we can do?
Originally posted by
BrittaniMaree
strict gun laws won't do much do you see this as a better option?
12/17/2012
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Correct. That is why metal classroom doors and even remote locking hallway doors, to isolate a threat, is a far less expensive and workable option.
Originally posted by
shorejen9
Nope if some sicko wants in they will get in regardless of metal detectors.
12/17/2012
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No. I remember our school had threats, so they patted us all down and searched our backpacks. I felt violated.
Originally posted by
BrittaniMaree
strict gun laws won't do much do you see this as a better option?
12/17/2012
It's all kind of a crapshoot. You're treating the symptoms, not the illness. Things like this can only be solved with better public information about mental health and ways to spot and assist acquaintances who are in a bad emotional place, destigmatizing the psychological health evaluation process, and making people who can help more readily available for young people.
12/17/2012
Our government is broke. Metal detectors are not cheap, and it would take at least 6 or 8 of them for most schools I've ever been in. Then you factor in having to do construction to get them set up right/electrical work for them to be functional... and you are looking at a LOT of money that the government doesn't have.
While I know my idea would go over like a lead balloon, we could bring all of our troops back, and put an armed soldier in each class. We have to pay them anyway right? Why not use them to make sure our children are safe until a real "war" comes up.
(Dear Everyone,
I am very pro military. I hate the fact that our boys and girls are deployed into countries under the guise of "fighting for freedom" in places that have no capability of EVER even making it to the United States.
Don't take my comment about a real "war" as being anti-troops. I'm anti-politician.
MrWilly)
While I know my idea would go over like a lead balloon, we could bring all of our troops back, and put an armed soldier in each class. We have to pay them anyway right? Why not use them to make sure our children are safe until a real "war" comes up.
(Dear Everyone,
I am very pro military. I hate the fact that our boys and girls are deployed into countries under the guise of "fighting for freedom" in places that have no capability of EVER even making it to the United States.
Don't take my comment about a real "war" as being anti-troops. I'm anti-politician.
MrWilly)
12/17/2012
My schools had metal detectors. We still brought in shit that wasn't allowed.
How about spending the money on making public mental health more readily available (or actually available)?
How about spending the money on making public mental health more readily available (or actually available)?
12/17/2012
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When I was in Jamaica, I saw a group of children being escorted from school back to their homes by the local military. It's a very frightening thing to see and it immediately caused me to feel distressed. I would not want our children to have to feel that way; to be escorted in a place that is supposed to be safe and welcoming for them to learn. ALL of these mass shooting tragedies are a direct result of a lack of coping skills in these individuals. They have no backbone, no tolerance for criticism, no outlet to express concerns and weaknesses they see in themselves; it's sad and I place my blame in a direction no one else seems to want to: on their parents, their teachers, and the parents of their peers. We let go of this "it takes a village to raise a child" mentality and they are often left to fend for themselves when they need guidance and positive influences.
Originally posted by
MrWill
Our government is broke. Metal detectors are not cheap, and it would take at least 6 or 8 of them for most schools I've ever been in. Then you factor in having to do construction to get them set up right/electrical work for them to be
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Our government is broke. Metal detectors are not cheap, and it would take at least 6 or 8 of them for most schools I've ever been in. Then you factor in having to do construction to get them set up right/electrical work for them to be functional... and you are looking at a LOT of money that the government doesn't have.
While I know my idea would go over like a lead balloon, we could bring all of our troops back, and put an armed soldier in each class. We have to pay them anyway right? Why not use them to make sure our children are safe until a real "war" comes up.
(Dear Everyone,
I am very pro military. I hate the fact that our boys and girls are deployed into countries under the guise of "fighting for freedom" in places that have no capability of EVER even making it to the United States.
Don't take my comment about a real "war" as being anti-troops. I'm anti-politician.
MrWilly) less
While I know my idea would go over like a lead balloon, we could bring all of our troops back, and put an armed soldier in each class. We have to pay them anyway right? Why not use them to make sure our children are safe until a real "war" comes up.
(Dear Everyone,
I am very pro military. I hate the fact that our boys and girls are deployed into countries under the guise of "fighting for freedom" in places that have no capability of EVER even making it to the United States.
Don't take my comment about a real "war" as being anti-troops. I'm anti-politician.
MrWilly) less
(I am very pro-military and I do agree there are times when we need our men and women standing on our soil, protecting our freedoms directly.)
12/17/2012
We didn't have metal detectors, but we had those beep in doors with Cameras at the doors. We had officers on staff at the school and still had shit brought in. One kid in junior high set off a shit load of fireworks and had a gun in his locker. There were notes about who he didn't like too. He was expelled that day. There was plenty of others who were expelled for pocket knives and more.
Nothing is going to stop a sicko whose desire is already to die and take out as many people as they want.
Nothing is going to stop a sicko whose desire is already to die and take out as many people as they want.
12/17/2012
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How is having a metal door going to stop the guy from shooting out the windows and coming inside? By this logic, schools need to be locked down like prisons? Really?
Originally posted by
Bignuf
Correct. That is why metal classroom doors and even remote locking hallway doors, to isolate a threat, is a far less expensive and workable option.
12/17/2012
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No it wouldn't do any good.
Originally posted by
BrittaniMaree
strict gun laws won't do much do you see this as a better option?
12/17/2012
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I understand your point. It definitely would be intimidating for the kids! It would certainly put on an air of oppression.
Originally posted by
Ansley
When I was in Jamaica, I saw a group of children being escorted from school back to their homes by the local military. It's a very frightening thing to see and it immediately caused me to feel distressed. I would not want our children to have to
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When I was in Jamaica, I saw a group of children being escorted from school back to their homes by the local military. It's a very frightening thing to see and it immediately caused me to feel distressed. I would not want our children to have to feel that way; to be escorted in a place that is supposed to be safe and welcoming for them to learn. ALL of these mass shooting tragedies are a direct result of a lack of coping skills in these individuals. They have no backbone, no tolerance for criticism, no outlet to express concerns and weaknesses they see in themselves; it's sad and I place my blame in a direction no one else seems to want to: on their parents, their teachers, and the parents of their peers. We let go of this "it takes a village to raise a child" mentality and they are often left to fend for themselves when they need guidance and positive influences.
(I am very pro-military and I do agree there are times when we need our men and women standing on our soil, protecting our freedoms directly.) less
(I am very pro-military and I do agree there are times when we need our men and women standing on our soil, protecting our freedoms directly.) less
I just saw on the news this morning that a school district here is moving to allow teachers who have the proper training and permits to carry weapons.
(I think this is a great idea. I think for it to be implemented correctly though, those who wish to carry a weapon in the classroom need to be VERY strenuously screened for psych problems) Most male teachers I grew up with (in Texas, remember) were family hunting buddies, or old vets. 2 of my coaches were ex seals, 1 of them a marine.
I know it's horrid but we still handled things the way they used to be handled. If you had a problem you met in the empty field not far from the school (sometimes a teacher or two would show up) and beat the hell out of each other. When it was over, it was over... and the next day you were best friends.
I think I lost track of where I was going with all of this! :-P
12/17/2012
Just wanted to thank everyone for there comments. I hope no one is mad at me because I don't want that. So if you are I do apologize from the bottom of my heart to those I did. I was just trying to think of a different way to try to improve this please if you have suggestions please tell. again please don't hate me all
12/17/2012
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I understand where you were going - generally let the kids figure it out between them and provide supervision if necessary; which to some degree I completely agree with. I just really, really blame the parents. The ones who ignore the signs, the ones who preach catastrophic prophecies which are very unlikely to ever occur...teach kids compassion, respect, and honesty and you'll likely never have encounters like this. There are millions of people on the planet who suffer some classification of mental illness and there are millions of people who have personality traits that can be paraded as mental illness but in truth are just assholes. We need to start learning the difference between the two; because not every person with a mental illness is shooting up malls, movie theaters, and school campuses.
Originally posted by
MrWill
I understand your point. It definitely would be intimidating for the kids! It would certainly put on an air of oppression.
I just saw on the news this morning that a school district here is moving to allow teachers who have the proper training ... more
I just saw on the news this morning that a school district here is moving to allow teachers who have the proper training ... more
I understand your point. It definitely would be intimidating for the kids! It would certainly put on an air of oppression.
I just saw on the news this morning that a school district here is moving to allow teachers who have the proper training and permits to carry weapons.
(I think this is a great idea. I think for it to be implemented correctly though, those who wish to carry a weapon in the classroom need to be VERY strenuously screened for psych problems) Most male teachers I grew up with (in Texas, remember) were family hunting buddies, or old vets. 2 of my coaches were ex seals, 1 of them a marine.
I know it's horrid but we still handled things the way they used to be handled. If you had a problem you met in the empty field not far from the school (sometimes a teacher or two would show up) and beat the hell out of each other. When it was over, it was over... and the next day you were best friends.
I think I lost track of where I was going with all of this! :-P less
I just saw on the news this morning that a school district here is moving to allow teachers who have the proper training and permits to carry weapons.
(I think this is a great idea. I think for it to be implemented correctly though, those who wish to carry a weapon in the classroom need to be VERY strenuously screened for psych problems) Most male teachers I grew up with (in Texas, remember) were family hunting buddies, or old vets. 2 of my coaches were ex seals, 1 of them a marine.
I know it's horrid but we still handled things the way they used to be handled. If you had a problem you met in the empty field not far from the school (sometimes a teacher or two would show up) and beat the hell out of each other. When it was over, it was over... and the next day you were best friends.
I think I lost track of where I was going with all of this! :-P less
12/17/2012
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Nobody hates you. It's a very emotional subject, considering what happened recently, so everyone has strong opinions on the matter. It helps to have discussions so things can be straightened out or explained, and maybe even some creative solutions can be found. It's okay, hon.
Originally posted by
BrittaniMaree
Just wanted to thank everyone for there comments. I hope no one is mad at me because I don't want that. So if you are I do apologize from the bottom of my heart to those I did. I was just trying to think of a different way to try to improve this
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Just wanted to thank everyone for there comments. I hope no one is mad at me because I don't want that. So if you are I do apologize from the bottom of my heart to those I did. I was just trying to think of a different way to try to improve this please if you have suggestions please tell. again please don't hate me all
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12/17/2012
no honestly that is really not addressing the problems
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If only it were true. There are literally millions of mentally ill people walking around in our midst. Trying to figure out which ones will be mass murderers will never work - there would be too many false positives.
Originally posted by
Raymaker
It's all kind of a crapshoot. You're treating the symptoms, not the illness. Things like this can only be solved with better public information about mental health and ways to spot and assist acquaintances who are in a bad emotional place,
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It's all kind of a crapshoot. You're treating the symptoms, not the illness. Things like this can only be solved with better public information about mental health and ways to spot and assist acquaintances who are in a bad emotional place, destigmatizing the psychological health evaluation process, and making people who can help more readily available for young people.
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The sad thing is, bad things happen to good people. By and large there are no 'cures'.
2,100 children die each year in auto accidents - are we going to ban children in cars - or make them into Sherman tanks?
Spend the money on continuing to find cures for childhood cancers - about 2,200 children die every year from cancer.
It would help if we better understood the relative magnitude of the risks we face.
12/17/2012
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Metal detectors certainly won't solve the issue -- and it's true that metal detectors would not have prevented this tragedy, but I do think that metal detectors can help to prevent some other tragedies.
Originally posted by
BrittaniMaree
strict gun laws won't do much do you see this as a better option?
12/17/2012
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read somewhere tha some school systems in Texas are going to allow teachers to carry guns
Originally posted by
Bignuf
Someone breaking in is not stopping at a metal detector ( and it might not detect polymer weapons anyway). We need volunteer staff at schools to be very proficiantly trained with firearms, and lock down doors to isolate intruders and protect the
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more
Someone breaking in is not stopping at a metal detector ( and it might not detect polymer weapons anyway). We need volunteer staff at schools to be very proficiantly trained with firearms, and lock down doors to isolate intruders and protect the children and staff. We need a safe environment to nuture our children and since bad guys and dangerously antisocial people will always be among us, we need to figure out how to put up our best and strongest "last line of defense"! Sure, let's try and stop it before it happens....but if we can't, what's the best we can do?
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12/17/2012
I'd rather pay more to have another police officer patrol the school more frequently.
12/17/2012
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I like these options better than a metal detector...much more practical.
Originally posted by
Bignuf
Correct. That is why metal classroom doors and even remote locking hallway doors, to isolate a threat, is a far less expensive and workable option.
12/17/2012
Schools are so strapped for cash right now I would honestly prefer them to invest that money elsewhere, like new textbooks or lab equipment.
12/18/2012
I'd like see better access to good mental health facilities for those in need
12/18/2012
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Definitely not.
Originally posted by
BrittaniMaree
strict gun laws won't do much do you see this as a better option?
12/18/2012
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I agree with the problem being more about the people with issues committing these crimes, but when I was a student in Israel, going through metal detectors at school or when going into a mall, became really routine rather quickly. It would become the norm pretty quickly here too, I think, because people are adaptable and I don't think kids are nearly so fragile that they wouldn't be able to understand that something is put into place as a safety precaution, just in case. Kids can deal with fire drills, for instance, because those fire alarms and procedures are there in case something happens. This would be just another measure for those same "just in case" situations, which is something we teach kids all the time.
Originally posted by
Ansley
When I was in Jamaica, I saw a group of children being escorted from school back to their homes by the local military. It's a very frightening thing to see and it immediately caused me to feel distressed. I would not want our children to have to
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more
When I was in Jamaica, I saw a group of children being escorted from school back to their homes by the local military. It's a very frightening thing to see and it immediately caused me to feel distressed. I would not want our children to have to feel that way; to be escorted in a place that is supposed to be safe and welcoming for them to learn. ALL of these mass shooting tragedies are a direct result of a lack of coping skills in these individuals. They have no backbone, no tolerance for criticism, no outlet to express concerns and weaknesses they see in themselves; it's sad and I place my blame in a direction no one else seems to want to: on their parents, their teachers, and the parents of their peers. We let go of this "it takes a village to raise a child" mentality and they are often left to fend for themselves when they need guidance and positive influences.
(I am very pro-military and I do agree there are times when we need our men and women standing on our soil, protecting our freedoms directly.) less
(I am very pro-military and I do agree there are times when we need our men and women standing on our soil, protecting our freedoms directly.) less
I didn't feel distressed when going through those metal detectors in Israel, or that their security guards are armed and have served in the military. On the contrary, I felt safer knowing that the extra precaution was put in place, because I went to a university that had a bomb go off during the Second Intifada that was planted by a terrorist, and it killed several students.
I don't know, just my thoughts about it. It's not such an uncommon thing in some countries--just a part of every day life. You get more annoyed when you run late and have to wait in line at the metal detectors, than worried that some violent act could erupt in your face somewhere. Life goes on.
12/18/2012