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Herman Cain. What do you think about the "sexual harassment" allegations?

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Contributor: Bignuf Bignuf
I know I might be opening a can-o-worms with this one, but I want to know what folks think. Based on the minimal information about these "sexual harassment" complaints, with zero details, about Herman Cain, do you think he did anything wrong? Are you retaining judgment based on facts yet to come (or not come) out? OR do you think this is more "smear" politics, where detectives are out there, digging up dirt where-ever?

Beyond that, is this a huge double standard, where one party re-elects folks who have cheating sex in their high offices and have other officials accused of all kinds of cheating acts, but while the press crucifies the other party for far, far less?

What is YOUR thought?
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Where there is smoke, there is fire. I think he did something bad and it is being covered up.
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I simply don't know enough and until facts come out, I am not going to judge.
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I don't think he did anything wrong. Anyone in authority or the public eye these days gets hit with all kinds of alligations.
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Any issue that simply
This is pure, double standard, smear politics. Who wants to run for office in this horrible, rip people apart climate?
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Other?
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Total votes: 18 (15 voters)
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11/07/2011
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Contributor: hyacinthgirl hyacinthgirl
Honestly, I've come to expect these kinds of smear campaigns against African-American conservatives. Not saying that Republicans are lily white on this front, but they usually seem to focus that their opponent is a "weakling", whereas it seems every black Republican is called a sex offender.

Though it does seem to be a huge double standard - if Bill Clinton, who frequently used his power to harass and molest women, and was accused of rape, was excusable, then why is this guy so different? Every charge against Clinton was hearsay and smear tactics, but we're supposed to accept immediately that Cain sexually abuses women with no examination?
11/07/2011
Contributor: Ryuson Ryuson
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Personally, I just don't have enough information. Politics is always going to be biased, though.
11/07/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
I don't have enough information. I KNOW it has nothing to do with the fact that he's African American. A lot of white guys have been accused of sexual inappropriate actions. Also, harassment is totally different than having sexual acts with someone who is consenting to it. Clinton never "raped" anybody. *But really, what kind of a... person.... saves a dress with jizz all over it? Damn, clean that nasty thing?)

I do, however, think Herman Cain is off his nut. He makes NO sense when he talks, contradicts himself, depending on who he is talking to, his "9-9-9" plan is totally unworkable. Does he not realize he will raise taxes for the poor, as they get ALL their taxes back, because they have so little money? (Not to mention radically reduce taxes on the people who can most easily pay it and not be hurt in any way?) And that he will destroy State Income if he imposes a Federal Sales Tax? Congress will never approve it anyway. He makes no sense when he talks.

He doesn't have a chance.

The Repubs can't get anyone who isn't a nutcase this time, and they have a better chance of winning than in years. Not with the people they are putting up there. If they continue at this rate, Obama will keep his job.
11/07/2011
Contributor: hyacinthgirl hyacinthgirl
He was accused of rape by Gennifer Flowers - that was what he was on trial for originally. That, and exposing himself to Paula Jones and demanding sexual favors. Monica was just supposed to be a character witness - a show of his habit of finding women in subordinate positions to him and coercing them into having sex, with the problem being that she fell for his line and thought they were in love.
11/07/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by hyacinthgirl
He was accused of rape by Gennifer Flowers - that was what he was on trial for originally. That, and exposing himself to Paula Jones and demanding sexual favors. Monica was just supposed to be a character witness - a show of his habit of finding ... more
Flowers never accused him of rape, only that she had never seen a man ejaculate before and was "saving that for my husband." .... Then she posed for Playboy. She also claimed she had an affair with him for twelve years. Not something one does with someone who rapes you, is it? Flower's loves attention and her Word is not well respected in any circle, and no one outside of Conspiracy Theorists think Clinton actually raped anyone.

Clinton was horny. No doubt. So? Doesn't make him a rapist. Do you really think if he HAD raped anyone the Far Right wouldn't have been able to get proof positive on it in order to crucify him? For heaven sake, they found a woman who saved a jizz soaked dress. They went to disgusting and expensive lengths (which you and I payed for, thanks to Ken Starr) to discredit the best Administrator this country has had in generations.

There is absolutely NO proof he raped anyone. They would have gotten him on it if he did.

As for Monica Lewinsky, you seem to know a lot about what she thinks. Are you and she friends? If not, you nor I have any idea what's going on in her head or what she "thought" about Bill Clinton. You have no idea if she "fell for" anything. If she did, she was a fool, not a rape victim.
11/07/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Flowers never accused him of rape, only that she had never seen a man ejaculate before and was "saving that for my husband." .... Then she posed for Playboy. She also claimed she had an affair with him for twelve years. Not something one ... more
I know you love the guy - but he was in irresponsible slut. Not a becoming feature for a leader - but not a deal killer either. I just don't think saying others have done it makes it OK. Historically he will get relatively good marks at a time of relative prosperity. He benefited from the building of the tech and housing bubbles. The first one burst on his watch, the second much later. Now he's free to snort and cavort as much as he wants.

BTW - no one is accusing Herman of rape, just unwanted advances. Is that really a crime?
11/07/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Gunsmoke
I know you love the guy - but he was in irresponsible slut. Not a becoming feature for a leader - but not a deal killer either. I just don't think saying others have done it makes it OK. Historically he will get relatively good marks at a time of ... more
I don't disagree with anything you said. I do think it was more than riding the waves of bubbles, though. His successes were before the huge housing bubble, and there was that 3 Trillion dollar surplus thing.

Yeah. I think he's attractive, too. I can't stay away from older, intelligent, horny, distinguished men who probably aren't good for me. .....Or are they?
11/07/2011
Contributor: AngelvMaynard AngelvMaynard
I think it now means he's a serious contender for the race. I know that sounds crazy but they wouldn't be charging after him like this if he wasn't a threat to someone else in the party. I'm a democrat, but I keep up with all the candidates. I have heard the reports about the allegation, and personally don't care if he did or didn't. The woman settled and is under a non-disclosure agreement so it will fade. But, he is a contender now if he wasn't before.
11/07/2011
Contributor: AngelvMaynard AngelvMaynard
And just for the record, Bill Clinton could have harassed me all he wanted back in the day. He was a sexy, sexy man
I love his wife even more! Not for her sexiness, but she is a kick ass politician who would have been the better choice in office and I still would like to see her run!
They are all irresponsible sluts, if not with women then with corporations that pay them to screw us all!
11/07/2011
Contributor: hyacinthgirl hyacinthgirl
I didn't say that he did rape anyone, but that he was accused of it, only to have it immediately dismissed, as opposed to the crucifixion campaign over "inappropriate comments".

And AngelvMaynard, that's kind of an inappropriate comment. It reminds me of when a spokeswoman for NOW said that it didn't matter if Clinton had sexually abused some women, because he kept abortion legal. Sexual harassment is a serious subject and a serious charge. I don't know for sure if Hermann Cain did harass anyone, and if he did, I hope he is punished for it.
11/07/2011
Contributor: GenderSexplorations GenderSexplorations
I think we need more information. That's all.
11/07/2011
Contributor: Pandahb Pandahb
These stupid squabbles only make obama look better.
11/07/2011
Contributor: AngelvMaynard AngelvMaynard
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Originally posted by hyacinthgirl
I didn't say that he did rape anyone, but that he was accused of it, only to have it immediately dismissed, as opposed to the crucifixion campaign over "inappropriate comments".

And AngelvMaynard, that's kind of an ... more
What exactly did I say that was inappropriate? I spoke my opinion? You won't get an apology from me for that. I personally don't believe Bill Clinton harassed anyone. I did find him sexy. I also don't know or care if Cain said inappropriate things to some woman who took a settlement agreement to keep quiet.
These issues are the exact reason our political system has it's eye off the real issues that truly affect Americans such as job loss, unfair taxation rates, housing foreclosures, unfair international trade policies, and the list goes on.
So yes, I make light of these smokescreen topics, because in the grand scheme of life they really don't affect me like the other things they should be concentrated on.
11/07/2011