marriage reaches all time low

marriage reaches all time low

T&A1987 T&A1987
and fewer people consider a relevant institution. thoughts? also, according to rick santorum, it's the gay community's fault. then again, the list of things santorum hasn't blamed on the gay community is shorter than the list he's blamed on them.

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AndroAngel AndroAngel
I think it is an outdated institution. The decline in marriage is just proof of how few people want the traditional "roles" that come along with it. I only agreed to be married on the condition that we never acknowledged the institution or the roles it represents.
12/14/2011
badk1tty badk1tty
Quote:
Originally posted by T&A1987
and fewer people consider a relevant institution. thoughts? also, according to rick santorum, it's the gay community's fault. then again, the list of things santorum hasn't blamed on the gay community is shorter than the list he's ...
Rick Santorum is a fucking idiot. I really cannot say it any politer than that. The fact that this man can figure out how to talk and breathe at the same time is just beyond me. Need proof? Here's some quotes

"We don't need food stamps because obesity rates are so high" - That could be because it costs 4$ to buy a pack of hotdogs, 2 boxes of mac and cheese, and a can of fake peas, where as it costs an easy 8$ to make a nutritious salad, you fuckbag. Moving on1

"Everything undocumented workers do is illegal". Yep. They eat and breathe illegally. They love their kids illegally. This man doesn't think about anything before he says it.

"People die because of bad decisions, like having a body made of meat" .. um, what? Maybe you should re-evaluate the health insurance debacle going on, genius.

"Gay sex is not equal to straight sex". The man actually said that we cannot have same-sex marriage, because then "their sexual activity would be seen as 'equal' to heterosexual relationships and would be taught in schools" ..

Just shoot me now.

Sorry about my rant, this is why I don't discuss politics. :X
12/14/2011
T&A1987 T&A1987
Quote:
Originally posted by badk1tty
Rick Santorum is a fucking idiot. I really cannot say it any politer than that. The fact that this man can figure out how to talk and breathe at the same time is just beyond me. Need proof? Here's some quotes

"We don't need food ...
no worries, i was just making fun of him (I'm mentioning that in case it wasn't clear, my sense of humor is hard to discern sometimes).
12/14/2011
Chirple Chirple
I actually think a redefinition of marriage would bolster interest.

It's a social partnership created to benefit selves and society. Increased productivity, shared resources, all that.

It should still be presented as a serious long-term commitment due to the legal implications, but we should reward life partnerships, not just any two people with a penis and a vagina who get drunk in Vegas together.

I think many people are re-examining love and societal roles, as well. Polyamory, for example. Committed multiple-partner relationships should be rewarded, but the legal structure is a bit more tricky there.
12/15/2011
Chilipepper Chilipepper
"You cannot possess me, for I belong to me ...
You cannot own me for I am a free person ...
I will be the shield at your back, as you are mine ...
This is the marriage of equals."

- excerpts from an Irish Wedding Vow

Simple reinterpretation of the roles and institution of marriage are up to the couple/partnership themselves. People outside are going to think what they want to think no matter how political or ethical you make it out to be - they don't care about your stand on it.

There's nothing wrong with the institution itself; it's how it's interpreted by those looking at it that makes it 'good' or 'evil'. Some people see it as enslavement to one person who you'll eventually hate. Others see it as an opportunity of expanding one's horizons by sharing experiences and an intimate bond. Some see it as giving up one's independence by accepting an outdated gender role. Others see it as making it their own code of love and support just between themselves.

The fact that most people tend to pick the wrong partner is what turns a lot off to it. And the so-called expense. And simple rebellion against authority by saying "you can't make me sign something for something I'm already doing - so nyah". However, I also believe the ceremony's use of readings and Biblical passages are detrimental to any sort of equality that modern marriage needs to be. That is why there is also a surge in non-denominational officiants and notaries setting up non-religious ceremonies, and the use of on-line ordained friends who know the couple's views very well.

Marriage is an individual choice, but demonizing it is not productive and tends to alienate your friends and family who've chosen it for themselves - who likely interpret it much differently than the 'traditional' way you might be seeing it.

(And, yes, all this is coming from a divorced woman.)
12/15/2011
AngelvMaynard AngelvMaynard
I've been married for 16 years. We have never defined our relationship by the traditional roles of marriage. We do things our own way and never let outside influences of what people think, do or say affect how we conduct ourselves. We have the longest standing relationship (total of 22 years since we started dating) of anyone we know. We also have the happiest. We allow each other freedom and try not to constrain the way we treat the relationship. Having kids of course brought on certain responsibilities, but we are both happy to have those constraints. So I think the "societal" definition of marriage, as in the way someone like Rick Santorum, defines it has always been a myth. These are people that want to tell everyone else how they "should" be, but behind closed doors never practice what they preach or can maintain their unreachable expectations of marriage. Make your relationship it's own by your own rules. Thats how you have a successful marriage or partnership. Screw what everyone else thinks. Just my two cents for the day
12/15/2011
AngelvMaynard AngelvMaynard
Quote:
Originally posted by Chilipepper
"You cannot possess me, for I belong to me ...
You cannot own me for I am a free person ...
I will be the shield at your back, as you are mine ...
This is the marriage of equals."
- excerpts from an Irish Wedding ...
Looks like we were writing at the same time!
12/15/2011
El-Jaro El-Jaro
I'd only want to get married for the reception and the health and legal benefits. You don't have to be married to have kids and you aren't trading property. See: Code of Hammurabi
12/15/2011
JackRaiden JackRaiden
Yeah, I think many people get married these days either because they feel like they have to (it's "the next step", pressure, etc.) and/or for the legal benefits. The institution is definitely outdated and losing relevance.
12/15/2011
badk1tty badk1tty
Quote:
Originally posted by T&A1987
no worries, i was just making fun of him (I'm mentioning that in case it wasn't clear, my sense of humor is hard to discern sometimes).
I figured you were being facetious. I was just adding to the Santorum bashing, because I can't help myself when his name comes up. >.>
12/15/2011
Fun with Dick & Jane Fun with Dick & Jane
I don't think a piece of paper can define what love really means. Everyone is entitled to happiness, regardless of the circumstance.
12/15/2011
Errant Venture Errant Venture
I don't think the practice is outdated, nor irrelevant. For me, and my girl, it's what we ultimately want. To us it expresses to each other that we want to be together, that there is no one else.
12/16/2011
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