PSY's anti-American lyrics...what are your thoughts?
12/09/2012
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i think it's ridiculous that there's been such an uproar about it. psy is an established, successful rapper in south korea, hip hop has always been political, and i don't understand why anyone is so shocked.
i also read that he or his label were forced to apologise, which is stupid. protest songs with violent rhetoric is nothing new and nothing anyone should be apologising for.
i also read that he or his label were forced to apologise, which is stupid. protest songs with violent rhetoric is nothing new and nothing anyone should be apologising for.
12/09/2012
I value free speech. So let him.
12/09/2012
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I know who I am as an American, and as a woman. Hip hop has always been political and critcal of just about every aspect of life as we know it...who cares what the punk thinks? He certainly doesn't care enough to as me how I feel. He can keep his apology since his opinion means nothing to me.
Originally posted by
Kat and Aaron(aaron)
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What are your thoughts on PSY's 2004 anti-American lyrics?
What are your thoughts on PSY's 2004 anti-American lyrics?
12/09/2012
His opinion.
A lot of the world is Anti-American because of the arrogance and nosing our way into foreign affairs where we have no business being. -shrug-
I'm not patriotic at all so I really couldn't give a crap.
A lot of the world is Anti-American because of the arrogance and nosing our way into foreign affairs where we have no business being. -shrug-
I'm not patriotic at all so I really couldn't give a crap.
12/09/2012
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This! He wasn't just spewing hate against America for no reason, it was in reaction to bad things that were happening. Music is all about expressing emotions and opinions and he expressed his anger at the situation.
Originally posted by
hanjonatan
i think it's ridiculous that there's been such an uproar about it. psy is an established, successful rapper in south korea, hip hop has always been political, and i don't understand why anyone is so shocked.
i also read that he or ... more
i also read that he or ... more
i think it's ridiculous that there's been such an uproar about it. psy is an established, successful rapper in south korea, hip hop has always been political, and i don't understand why anyone is so shocked.
i also read that he or his label were forced to apologise, which is stupid. protest songs with violent rhetoric is nothing new and nothing anyone should be apologising for. less
i also read that he or his label were forced to apologise, which is stupid. protest songs with violent rhetoric is nothing new and nothing anyone should be apologising for. less
12/09/2012
Wow. Yeah, it's America's fault that he has the shitty, dumb ass, narrow minded need to express that American troops and their families should all die slowly and painfully. How thoughtful, and like soooooo insightful, man.
Why is this concept hard to understand? You can and should support someone's right to express themselves verbally. But when you say something, you have to deal with the consequences of what you say. If you say something shitty and provocative, and other people are provoked enough to say, "Hey...that's pretty shitty of you," then you have to accept that as part of the burden of free speech. I wouldn't want him to not say something or to take it back; he sounds like another faux intellectual blowhard condoning violence, but hey; that's acceptable, as long as it's against our troops, right? I can't be bothered to expect someone like that to say anything intelligent or worthwhile. But when people start screaming, "it's freedom of speech!" I want to scream, "No shit! That's not why people are angry!"
Say what you want, but don't act shocked when people, you know, REACT to what you say.
Why is this concept hard to understand? You can and should support someone's right to express themselves verbally. But when you say something, you have to deal with the consequences of what you say. If you say something shitty and provocative, and other people are provoked enough to say, "Hey...that's pretty shitty of you," then you have to accept that as part of the burden of free speech. I wouldn't want him to not say something or to take it back; he sounds like another faux intellectual blowhard condoning violence, but hey; that's acceptable, as long as it's against our troops, right? I can't be bothered to expect someone like that to say anything intelligent or worthwhile. But when people start screaming, "it's freedom of speech!" I want to scream, "No shit! That's not why people are angry!"
Say what you want, but don't act shocked when people, you know, REACT to what you say.
12/09/2012
I don't really mind what he said. I have heard ALOT of american's say similar things about countries we are at war with, countries who killed or tortured our citizens. So i understand why he would say something like that.
Now here is what i don't get....
If you hate america and you wish all of our soldiers and there families would die, why the hell would you move to america, become a celebrity, want our money?? Why not just stay in your south korea hating us.
Now here is what i don't get....
If you hate america and you wish all of our soldiers and there families would die, why the hell would you move to america, become a celebrity, want our money?? Why not just stay in your south korea hating us.
12/10/2012
This really gets me:
"Others praised PSY for speaking up and expressing his anti-war sentiments. Commenter SavvyMike said on October 30: "As an American, this makes me like Psy even more. Glad to see he has the balls to call out America when we are doing evil."
Other commenters lashed out at the iReporter, saying that he misrepresented PSY in his iReport contribution. Commenter jsong9172 said on October 30, 2012: "He is criticizing the US Army, not the country. Do a thorough background research before you scribble something otherwise you'd ruin one's life."
So...anti-war sentiment and military criticism is valid when they call for the slow painful deaths of American troops and their families? In what universe does that kind of warped and demented view make logical sense? What about those of us who are the daughters of soldiers, who are the wives, the mothers, the mothers in-law? What about those of us who don't condone senseless violence and death?
Disgusting.
"Others praised PSY for speaking up and expressing his anti-war sentiments. Commenter SavvyMike said on October 30: "As an American, this makes me like Psy even more. Glad to see he has the balls to call out America when we are doing evil."
Other commenters lashed out at the iReporter, saying that he misrepresented PSY in his iReport contribution. Commenter jsong9172 said on October 30, 2012: "He is criticizing the US Army, not the country. Do a thorough background research before you scribble something otherwise you'd ruin one's life."
So...anti-war sentiment and military criticism is valid when they call for the slow painful deaths of American troops and their families? In what universe does that kind of warped and demented view make logical sense? What about those of us who are the daughters of soldiers, who are the wives, the mothers, the mothers in-law? What about those of us who don't condone senseless violence and death?
Disgusting.
12/10/2012
I'm sort of on the fence about it, I need to read up more on why he said those things and I do NOT agree with the bits about murdering peoples families (or with murder in general), but from what I did read he had a reason to be upset (something about American soldiers killing a few Korean girls, article here).
Honestly, I just wish people would learn to get along.
We have ONE planet to share, we ought to be banding together as a species to make it a better place for all of us to live instead of wasting time and resources battling each other.
When you take the time to think about it, we're all the same despite all the seemingly insurmountable differences...we are, at the very core of our being, humans.
That fact alone should be enough to spark a peace and unity among us all and help us learn to work together, but it has yet to do so.
Although, having an uncle that served in the military and having been taught to be respectful, I will never pass judgement upon the men and women risking their lives to protect the freedoms we enjoy in our country or lose gratitude for their service either.
Honestly, I just wish people would learn to get along.
We have ONE planet to share, we ought to be banding together as a species to make it a better place for all of us to live instead of wasting time and resources battling each other.
When you take the time to think about it, we're all the same despite all the seemingly insurmountable differences...we are, at the very core of our being, humans.
That fact alone should be enough to spark a peace and unity among us all and help us learn to work together, but it has yet to do so.
Although, having an uncle that served in the military and having been taught to be respectful, I will never pass judgement upon the men and women risking their lives to protect the freedoms we enjoy in our country or lose gratitude for their service either.
12/10/2012
Screw it! Bring it! It's nothing new. Immortal technique has been doing it for years. Hell they even have a song called "Freedom of Speech" which is pretty bad ass.
12/10/2012
I don't like what he said, but at the end of the day it didn't do any damage to anyone actually in the military. Because there weren't any real consequences to his words I think they should just be left as words.
12/10/2012
He's some dude on youtube...I could give a rats ass and I won't watch his videos and help them go viral.
12/10/2012
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See the thing is is that even though it's fucked up, it's his opinion and he can hold that opinion. Whether you are offended of it or not isn't his problem, people buy his music and will continue to do so.
Originally posted by
Supervixen
This really gets me:
"Others praised PSY for speaking up and expressing his anti-war sentiments. Commenter SavvyMike said on October 30: "As an American, this makes me like Psy even more. Glad to see he has the balls to call out ... more
"Others praised PSY for speaking up and expressing his anti-war sentiments. Commenter SavvyMike said on October 30: "As an American, this makes me like Psy even more. Glad to see he has the balls to call out ... more
This really gets me:
"Others praised PSY for speaking up and expressing his anti-war sentiments. Commenter SavvyMike said on October 30: "As an American, this makes me like Psy even more. Glad to see he has the balls to call out America when we are doing evil."
Other commenters lashed out at the iReporter, saying that he misrepresented PSY in his iReport contribution. Commenter jsong9172 said on October 30, 2012: "He is criticizing the US Army, not the country. Do a thorough background research before you scribble something otherwise you'd ruin one's life."
So...anti-war sentiment and military criticism is valid when they call for the slow painful deaths of American troops and their families? In what universe does that kind of warped and demented view make logical sense? What about those of us who are the daughters of soldiers, who are the wives, the mothers, the mothers in-law? What about those of us who don't condone senseless violence and death?
Disgusting. less
"Others praised PSY for speaking up and expressing his anti-war sentiments. Commenter SavvyMike said on October 30: "As an American, this makes me like Psy even more. Glad to see he has the balls to call out America when we are doing evil."
Other commenters lashed out at the iReporter, saying that he misrepresented PSY in his iReport contribution. Commenter jsong9172 said on October 30, 2012: "He is criticizing the US Army, not the country. Do a thorough background research before you scribble something otherwise you'd ruin one's life."
So...anti-war sentiment and military criticism is valid when they call for the slow painful deaths of American troops and their families? In what universe does that kind of warped and demented view make logical sense? What about those of us who are the daughters of soldiers, who are the wives, the mothers, the mothers in-law? What about those of us who don't condone senseless violence and death?
Disgusting. less
Many people hate soldiers for the things they do and want them to die. Doesn't mean it's right or okay but it's their opinion and if he wants to express it it is his right.
He shouldn't be required to apologize for anti-american sentiment when how many americans and soldiers rape and blunder and murder innocent people in the middle east and there are even more americans baying for more of their blood.
I don't see anyone demanding those idiots on twitter who watched the movie about Koreans attacking america and saying they wanted to go out and shoot some asians being bitched at or demanded to apologize.
It's opinion and often time music uses the most extreme method of interpretation to show a point or opinion. Maybe someone he knew or was close too was killed by these soldiers, could you imagine the all consuming rage? knowing a foreigner to your country who has zero respect for your ways or beliefs is killing your people for a war they shouldnt have any part in?
Probably not.
It is his opinion, he is not shooting or killing soldiers an their families so it doesn't really matter. He is a celebrity and they made an example out of him and in consequence basically just upped his fame and sales. Which means more money in his pocket because people are too easily offended and take things too literally.
There are plenty of american rappers who talk about murdering each other or members of other gangs, or police.
Nothing is said to them either.
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