Those darn voters.

Those darn voters.

HannahPanda HannahPanda
Eden can truly bring out the passive aggressive in me from time to time. So, we all know those voters that after you've slaved on a review, resized the pictures, made sure your cat's hairball is cropped out, gone back 3 times to add a piece of information you just remembered, and fixed that one typo you overlooked, a review feels like a masterpiece for some of us. Especially on lower end items that didn't work all that well for you.

So.. when someone votes me just "Useful" when I've done all this work, I do get peeved.

Now, I know that Useful doesn't hurt a rating and it's still a compliment, but is it really? Especially when it's quite apparent how hard you've put into a review, and we all know that sometimes a review just looks like it took a lot of work. When every fact is included, it's hard to overlook that Useful when you know you earned a step higher.

I've often asked those who voted me just Useful what I can improve and often times I get no reply, but they comment on the review, so I suspect they're just there for their points and really didn't take my review into consideration at all. At least it isn't a "Not Useful" rating, right? But I'm wondering if I'm the only one who raises my eyebrow at this. I've seen it happen to other contributors as well that most certainly earned an Extremely Useful rating. So...

When handling it by simply asking what I can improve didn't work, I would overlook the culprit's profile and find they themselves, have submitted reviews at least, but don't include any pictures/missing facts in theirs. So I immaturely have voted Useful on their reviews before. I smacked myself on the wrist and haven't turned to such passive aggressive behavior since, but am I the only one peeved? Maybe it's the perfectionist in me that feels like, Hey, I now know that person really didn't take the time to think about their vote. And if it wasn't worthy of a higher vote, they could've commented something more than "Thanks for sharing."

I digress. Just needed to let out some steam.
08/17/2012
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- Kira - - Kira -
You're not supposed to ask why they voted the way they did. This is considered harassment by Eden and could get you in trouble.

As for the votes, I stopped looking at mine because I was getting so upset to see 20+ EU and one U. Seriously?!
08/17/2012
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by HannahPanda
Eden can truly bring out the passive aggressive in me from time to time. So, we all know those voters that after you've slaved on a review, resized the pictures, made sure your cat's hairball is cropped out, gone back 3 times to add a piece ...
This topic has been discussed many times already and quite honestly, it's wrong for you to generalize that these contributors are point farming. Think about how unwelcoming these threads appear to newer contributors. We sound like elitists. Not every review will satisfy every reader in all ways. It's a fact. And no contributor is required to justify their vote. Asking them to do so, no matter how nice and genuine, is potentially harassment. To top it off, what you describe as your own actions is basically retaliation and down voting (even though Useful is not a negative vote). If this is bothering you so much, I suggest you take a step back from the review process.
08/17/2012
charmedtomeetyou charmedtomeetyou
I have to say that I have been messaged to ask about a vote I gave a review and I felt attacked. If I felt that it didn't give me all the information I was looking for, that's that. I didn't enjoy being put on the spot and made to feel badly for my opinion of someone's review. I did answer them and provide the reasons I chose to vote the way I did, but even as I was writing it I felt annoyed that I had to justify myself.

The review process is what it is.....if someone votes useful, that's how they feel.
08/17/2012
Sodom and Gomorrah Sodom and Gomorrah
Wow useful aren't even bad votes. Your stressing out for nothing. Go to the doctor and get some anxiety medication so you stop worrying so much.
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08/17/2012
Ansley Ansley
Contacting people about their votes is seriously frowned upon around here. It puts people on the spot and forces them to explain themselves. I once described it to someone else as the loser of an election walking around and knocking on doors and asking why the occupants voted for the other guy. In theory, it sounds like a great way to get feedback but it's just rude.

Accusing people of committing actions specifically for points is also quite rude, and off-putting, and unwelcoming. Again, seems like a good way of shaming people or stopping the behavior, but all it does is make people stop participating out of fear of being lumped into the next big witch hunt.

All of that said and now aside, we are making changes to the voting process and we will announce it when it's in place.
08/17/2012
Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Sodom and Gomorrah
Wow useful aren't even bad votes. Your stressing out for nothing. Go to the doctor and get some anxiety medication so you stop worrying so much.
Good advice - stop sweating the small stuff!
08/17/2012
Geogeo Geogeo
I've also been harrassed for voting an editor poorly and I thought it to be extremely rude. People will vote honestly, not vote how the rest of the voters were voting just to be the same or avoid people getting mad, and that's how it should be, regardless of how frustrating it could be. I am interested in these voting process changes.
08/17/2012
- Kira - - Kira -
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Originally posted by Ansley
Contacting people about their votes is seriously frowned upon around here. It puts people on the spot and forces them to explain themselves. I once described it to someone else as the loser of an election walking around and knocking on doors and ...
I'm excited to see what the changes will be!
08/17/2012
js250 js250
I am super excited now that I know the voting is going to change--you guys have been super busy this year!!!!

Now, for the question--not every review is going to be useful for all the members reading it. You could have every point covered, just like all the other reviews of that item, but no new points, alternative uses, or just what the person is trying to find out about an item. Some people are looking for specific fact and are not sold on the item as reviewed by you or someone else.

REMEMBER--these reviews are for the consumer, not necessarily for the members and voters on EF. EF's voting is a great start, but the final use and usefulness is for the consumer who reads your review and makes a decision on purchasing or not purchasing the item. Just keep the knowledge of a well informed and complete review was produced by you to help others in decision making--do not focus so much on the votes!!! It will make you crazy!!
08/17/2012
HannahPanda HannahPanda
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Originally posted by Kindred
This topic has been discussed many times already and quite honestly, it's wrong for you to generalize that these contributors are point farming. Think about how unwelcoming these threads appear to newer contributors. We sound like elitists. Not ...
If someone has the same item on their profile 15x on their favorites, it just seems the way it is. My bad.
08/17/2012
HannahPanda HannahPanda
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Originally posted by - Kira -
You're not supposed to ask why they voted the way they did. This is considered harassment by Eden and could get you in trouble.

As for the votes, I stopped looking at mine because I was getting so upset to see 20+ EU and one U. Seriously?!
I'm glad you understand what I meant, lol.
08/17/2012
HannahPanda HannahPanda
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Originally posted by js250
I am super excited now that I know the voting is going to change--you guys have been super busy this year!!!!

Now, for the question--not every review is going to be useful for all the members reading it. You could have every point covered, ...
That makes sense to me. Thank you for offering a different perspective at what I've seen. I don't think it's a bad vote or anything like that, but it's just a pet peeve when I know it's someone who 's going down all the reviews of that product and voting them/saying the same thing on each and every one minutes between each other.
08/17/2012
HannahPanda HannahPanda
@Kindred, Stormy, and everyone -

I understand what you're saying isn't good behavior, but I think it's just a situational thing. I don't have this attitude about everyone who votes my review Useful or less. It's just when someone votes -all- of your reviews that way and other's reviews that way within minutes of each other. It feels like they aren't reading the review enough to even vote. Then, they've done minimal reviews and have one item favorited on their profile 20 times, same color, same size. It's not my place to call that out as anything, and I understand why that's frowned upon. I haven't ever down voted someone's review JUST because of it, it was an honest "Useful" that I gave back. I don't think it says anything about me as a reviewer or that I can't hack it, but I think I just thought I'd get responses like, "Yeah, that's human, but people are people." Versus everyone assuming that I'm just malicious to people who vote a "Useful" vote. I can assure you that isn't the case and I wanted to know if anyone else wondered why someone votes Useful. I started it as a social topic, not me wanting to fix it.
08/17/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Ansley
Contacting people about their votes is seriously frowned upon around here. It puts people on the spot and forces them to explain themselves. I once described it to someone else as the loser of an election walking around and knocking on doors and ...
I'm anxiously awaiting the changes. I sometimes don't vote (when I know I should) because, honestly, every review is simply not Extremely Useful. Some are just useful, which doesn't mean they are bad, and some are less than this.
08/17/2012
Apirka Apirka
Because of this very reason I've completely stopped worrying about any vote on any of my reviews (I don't even look at them anymore) and I've stopped voting on other people's reviews as well.
08/17/2012
XxXxX XxXxX
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Originally posted by HannahPanda
Eden can truly bring out the passive aggressive in me from time to time. So, we all know those voters that after you've slaved on a review, resized the pictures, made sure your cat's hairball is cropped out, gone back 3 times to add a piece ...
When I get a useful or less, I read over my reviews to find out what I missed. Granted, you might not have missed anything, but maybe you did? I'm not pointing that just to you, but anyone. I got a bunch of crappy ratings on my first few reviews and now that I have learned alot and went through a couple of mentors, I look back on my reviews and just shake my head. Now I am surprised people were so nice because they were useless.

But most of that is beside the point. I guess you just need to decide whether everything was included and if was the best you could do. If it was, then don't sweat the small stuff. There are worse things to worry about. I personally wouldn't ask anyone the whens and whys because I find that to be kind of rude, calling people out for their own opinion. That would be like me calling you out for writing a review that you liked about a product I hated.

It is annoying, but that is what we are all here for. If someone is going about it the wrong way and you see a profile that looks like they really aren't participating correctly, send an email to eden if you wish. But thats about all you can do.

I hope this doesn't happen to you again. But if it does, just remember, you worked your ass off on that review and YOU are PROUD of it.
08/17/2012
Girly Juice Girly Juice
I don't respond when people message me about the way that I voted, because a) it's against Eden's rules and b) I don't feel I need to explain myself. I vote on how useful a review is to me. That's all there is to it.

I used to get mildly offended when people gave me less-than-perfect votes for my reviews, but then I just accepted the fact that what's useful and exhaustive to me might not be the same for other people. Plus... it really isn't that important, in the grand scheme of my life. Who cares what some random person thinks of my review? I had fun testing the toy and writing the review, and that's all I care about.
08/17/2012
carebear712 carebear712
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Originally posted by HannahPanda
Eden can truly bring out the passive aggressive in me from time to time. So, we all know those voters that after you've slaved on a review, resized the pictures, made sure your cat's hairball is cropped out, gone back 3 times to add a piece ...
I understand what you are saying because I have had a "not even worth the read" vote on my enchanted babydoll review which was the lingerie review spotlight and has like 40 extremely useful votes!!

With that being said, you still can't let it get to you. It can be frustrating, and you are right there may be some people just out there to get points, but you still don't have the right to generalize.

I know it has been said, but don't let it get to you, I certainly don't...and if I do I just complain to my hubby or BFF to get it off my chest
08/17/2012
PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
I had no idea that it was against the rules and asked many people what it was about my reviews that they found only 'useful' or 'somewhat useful'. I didn't think that I came across as rude, I was only trying to find out what I could do in order to improve my reviews and appeal to a wider range of people.

What I felt was a way to improve, was really upsetting to some people. I didn't realize, and I apologize if I upset anyone in my asking.

I, too, have been rather bothered by the only 'useful' ratings but I have chosen to try my best to overlook them now. I do find them frustrating, especially when I've done my best to include everything that's needed and then some.

Try not to take it personally, there might have just been one small thing that wasn't included or that their answers weren't fully answered. It happens to all of us, no matter how Extremely Useful the review truly is in the eyes of so many.

Chin up! You write awesome reviews!
08/17/2012
HannahPanda HannahPanda
I think I'm going to stop looking at them all together like a lot of you have suggested. I was just curious about what you guys's thoughts were on it and if it made you feel like you might've missed something or peeved you. I appreciate all the thoughtful responses from you guys that do understand that it wasn't meant to be malicious or anything, just me being a silly perfectionist and trying to make my reviews as best as they can be. It might sound like a stupid thing to worry about, and it probably is.

@PropertyofPotter - I didn't know until this thread, either, actually! Thank you for the compliment, though, I'm a fan of your reviews as well

@carebear712 - Yeah, I'm just going to overlook it from now on like the rest of these guys.

@Girly Juice - I like your perspective on this topic, and I'm probably going to adopt it for myself. I have fun writing almost all of my reviews.

@P'Gell - I don't vote negatively ever just because I feel bad to do it. I know all reviewers, whether the review is Poor or not, feel like they put some work in. Most people don't feel the same, but I generally will just comment on what the reviewer might have not answered. I prefer to just not vote at all if the review isn't Extremely Useful, that's just me, though.
08/17/2012
clockwork451 clockwork451
I don't think it's worth getting worked up over. I mean, if you've helped at least one person make an educated purchase choice, you've done you job right.
08/17/2012
SkylarrStarr SkylarrStarr
I think I shall also begin to not look at votes. I am very excited to see the changes to the voting process. I think in order to be able to vote, you should also be required to comment....but with actual words not smileys. I have been frustrated by those who have left good comments, but voted useful, and those who have voted useful or less and left no reasoning. There had to be a reason for voting that way, right? I only vote on reviews that I consider EU, or if I vote less than that, I always comment as to why I did not leave an EU vote. Anyway, excited to see the changes as I said and am going to take a voting breather for a bit!
08/17/2012
SMichelle SMichelle
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Originally posted by SkylarrStarr
I think I shall also begin to not look at votes. I am very excited to see the changes to the voting process. I think in order to be able to vote, you should also be required to comment....but with actual words not smileys. I have been frustrated ...
Useful is not a bad rating at all. Why would it frustrate you to see someone leave a positive comment with a useful rating?
08/17/2012
sktb0007 sktb0007
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Originally posted by P'Gell
I'm anxiously awaiting the changes. I sometimes don't vote (when I know I should) because, honestly, every review is simply not Extremely Useful. Some are just useful, which doesn't mean they are bad, and some are less than this.
Same here.
08/18/2012
HannahPanda HannahPanda
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Originally posted by SkylarrStarr
I think I shall also begin to not look at votes. I am very excited to see the changes to the voting process. I think in order to be able to vote, you should also be required to comment....but with actual words not smileys. I have been frustrated ...
Thank you x15. That's the point I wish these voters got. Just let me know what I didn't include and I can include it next time. It's their right not to, but it's slightly unfair to get your points from my review and not let me know how to better improve it. They get something from voting, and are participating in the community, so give me something I could include in return.
08/18/2012
HannahPanda HannahPanda
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Originally posted by SMichelle
Useful is not a bad rating at all. Why would it frustrate you to see someone leave a positive comment with a useful rating?
Useful isn't a bad rating at all, because it's telling you your review is helpful. However, a lot of contributors strive to be Very Helpful rather than just, "Yeah, this was a good/decent review." I feel like if I were working at a store helping customers and customer completed a survey on my service and gave me a "Helpful" score and there were a higher available one, I'd want to know what I needed to improve to be a better worker and do that. It isn't their right to include that information, but you get points and a small boost to your overall rating to vote on a review, and if you get that from voting on their review, the least you can do is let the reviewer know what was good or bad so they can be better. That is, unless you'd rather stay silent and not help that reviewer create a better review in the future that does include the information they missed. Some people may feel too intimidated to tell a reviewer they missed something, and that's okay, but this wasn't to bash a Useful rating. It's definitely still a good rating, but a lot of people out there want to do better than "Good." and help the user better than "Good." It's not a being annoying thing, it's just a "I want to do things right," thing.
08/18/2012
HannahPanda HannahPanda
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Originally posted by HannahPanda
Useful isn't a bad rating at all, because it's telling you your review is helpful. However, a lot of contributors strive to be Very Helpful rather than just, "Yeah, this was a good/decent review." I feel like if I were working at a ...
Edit: *It's their right NOT to include that information
08/18/2012
SMichelle SMichelle
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Originally posted by HannahPanda
Useful isn't a bad rating at all, because it's telling you your review is helpful. However, a lot of contributors strive to be Very Helpful rather than just, "Yeah, this was a good/decent review." I feel like if I were working at a ...
Here's the thing though -- some people vote useful on a review simply because it doesn't go above and beyond.

I see a lot of reviews that include everything that I want to know, but to me? Those reviews are just useful, because to me... they don't provide anything that "wow's" me.

So... if someone were to ask me, "what can I improve on to get my review from useful to extremely useful?" -- I would probably say that I don't really know, because in truth they did answer all my questions... I just didn't feel like the review was E.U.

I think that a lot of people take the votes far too seriously. Don't get me wrong -- I love seeing EU votes on mine, but I won't stress over a U vote -- or even a "note useful at all" vote.
08/18/2012
SkylarrStarr SkylarrStarr
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Originally posted by SMichelle
Useful is not a bad rating at all. Why would it frustrate you to see someone leave a positive comment with a useful rating?
A gushing comment on a review and then just a useful rating I guess doesn't make sense in my head. I guess it's just the way I think...I also always want to improve on my reviews and like to know what wasn't EU about it. Maybe frustrating wasn't quite the right word...maybe I should have used confused instead...
08/18/2012
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