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Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
*Toy Swapping. What do you think of when you hear the phrase?

*Downsizing. Do you have a massive hoarder's collection of toys you never use that you'd like to give a new home?

*Hoarding. Would you like to hoard more amazing toys and simultaneously let go of those you're no longer in love with?

We propose a Toy Swap Club, right here on Eden. EF Contributors who join the club will have the option to post lists of available toys to swap, and a wishlist of those they're looking for. We'd like your opinion and feedback on the idea! Please let us know by sharing your thoughts below.

alice.
Answers (private voting - your screen name will NOT appear in the results):
What is your opinion on a toy swap club?
4
I like it, but will not participate
26
I like and will participate
47
I don't like the idea, but do not oppose the club
22
I do not want this club to exist
4
Should we allow toys to be swapped?
6
Yes
76
No
15
Should they be limited to only sterilizable toys? (Glass, metal, silicone, etc.)
3
Yes.
84
No.
13
Should we allow lingerie to be swapped?
5
Yes!
57
No!
10
Only without underwear
32
Who should be allowed to participate?
3
Everyone
24
Members over a certain rank
66
Members with a minimum amount of reviews
28
What rank should be the minimum?
3
Any
20
4.0+
5
5.0+
54
6.0+
14
How many reviews should be the minimum to participate?
1
1-5
13
6-10
32
11-20
8
20+
26
Total votes: 701 (102 voters)
Poll is closed
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Contributor: Kaltir Kaltir
I wouldn't mind a toy swap for any toy or lingerie. But if it's something that can't be sterilized it should be unopened. I know I've gotten a few things I was disappointed in the size of, so I never took them out of the packaging. No harm swapping that.
12/01/2011
Contributor: NarcissisticLust NarcissisticLust
Quote:
Originally posted by aliceinthehole
*Toy Swapping. What do you think of when you hear the phrase?*Downsizing. Do you have a massive hoarder's collection of toys you never use that you'd like to give a new home?*Hoarding. Would you like to hoard more amazing toys and ... more
Toy swap is something I love in theory, but the nitty gritty just frightens me a bit. I think it's a great idea and would be a wonderful addition to EF, but only sterilizable materials should be permitted.
12/01/2011
Contributor: Ryuson Ryuson
(Review Program Mentor)
I dunno, I may just be in it to downsize!
12/01/2011
Contributor: lilly555 lilly555
Only sterilizable toys should be allowed as a safety percausion. Also if it's a trade the toys traded should be of close to an equal amount from the products original price give or take a few bucks. Lingerie could be traded but I'm not so sure I would trade underwear but to each their own on that matter. I understand placing a rank and review limit on who gets to participate for the amount of toys owned and reliability. Although 20+ seems a little steep. I only have 11 reviews completed and I would like to get rid of some pieces I wasn't too fond of but others might want. Overall its a great idea.
12/01/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
Quote:
Originally posted by Kaltir
I wouldn't mind a toy swap for any toy or lingerie. But if it's something that can't be sterilized it should be unopened. I know I've gotten a few things I was disappointed in the size of, so I never took them out of the packaging. No ... more
great idea.
12/01/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
Quote:
Originally posted by NarcissisticLust
Toy swap is something I love in theory, but the nitty gritty just frightens me a bit. I think it's a great idea and would be a wonderful addition to EF, but only sterilizable materials should be permitted.
you could always choose only to swap sterilizable items. those who wanted new in box jelly or TPR toys, for example, could swap those if they chose.

outlawing them outright is also an idea.
12/01/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
Quote:
Originally posted by lilly555
Only sterilizable toys should be allowed as a safety percausion. Also if it's a trade the toys traded should be of close to an equal amount from the products original price give or take a few bucks. Lingerie could be traded but I'm not so ... more
thank you so much for your thorough input!

we're just trying to get your feedback on this now, so we can know how, and if to proceed.
12/01/2011
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
I haven't voted at all yet, I like to take a while to think things over before forming opinions. Is there a way Eden could be released of liability if somebody swaps an unsanitizable (or improperly sanitized) toy and starts litigation? I love the idea, I'm down with toy swapping, but I tend to be afraid of legal gray areas.
12/01/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
Quote:
Originally posted by Antipova
I haven't voted at all yet, I like to take a while to think things over before forming opinions. Is there a way Eden could be released of liability if somebody swaps an unsanitizable (or improperly sanitized) toy and starts litigation? I love the ... more
i'm not sure. i'll have to ask sam about it. good question!
12/01/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
Quote:
Originally posted by Antipova
I haven't voted at all yet, I like to take a while to think things over before forming opinions. Is there a way Eden could be released of liability if somebody swaps an unsanitizable (or improperly sanitized) toy and starts litigation? I love the ... more
but you know, you could always simply sanitize toys when you get them. in fact, if the club goes up, i'm sure we will recommend it. common sense to be used at all times!
12/01/2011
Contributor: SexyTabby SexyTabby
I think it's a great idea but I think it would take a lot of leg work to get rules and specifics down to protect both Eden and the swappies. Unopened porous toys I think I'd still be leary of but thats just me. sterializable (is that a word?) toys I would definitely consider.
12/01/2011
Contributor: Chirple Chirple
Maybe a disclaimer would help ? One clearly stating that Eden and the other participants are not responsible for any problems/complications related to or resulting from use of the toys.

Rules still, of course, but a "use at your own risk" disclaimer and directions or instructions to sanitise the toy you've received before using and that if it is not possible to do so, that previous use (if any) should be disclosed and it is "at your own risk" no matter if it's new in box or what.

I think it's a great idea, but I'm too new to participate, and don't have the toy chest to do so, anyway.
12/01/2011
Contributor: cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
Quote:
Originally posted by aliceinthehole
great idea.
I do believe you messaged me about the toy swap thing before, the network?

They do the sterilize only thing. I am on the fence because I hate trashing toys but at the same time I wouldn't want a toy from just anyone. If it was someone on here that I knew and trusted I might do it.

Which brings me to my answers... I don't know if I would participate or not because like I said, I'm on the fence. I wouldn't mind giving my glass to someone who wants it but I don't think I would take anything except corsets/etc.

Obviously no underwear for me, lol.

I think there should be a minimum of 20 reviews and/or a rank of 5 because it takes about that much work to show you are serious about Eden and for the community to get a feel for you.

20 reviews isn't steep in my opinion because it is super easy to get that many reviews anymore. It's not like you have to pay for toys or do anything short of write about masturbating!

It is a tough call, however, because just like with the Editing program, a lot of people would probably feel left out or judged against. What starts as a good intentioned idea could end up being messy for Eden. :/


That being said, props to you, alice, for having sustainability in mind!
12/01/2011
Contributor: cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
Quote:
Originally posted by Chirple
Maybe a disclaimer would help ? One clearly stating that Eden and the other participants are not responsible for any problems/complications related to or resulting from use of the toys.

Rules still, of course, but a "use at your own ... more
Lol it doesn't take long to work up to it, I promise! With all the incentives now, a given reviewer (taking work/school/kids into account) would probably be able to pop out 20 reviews in about 2 or 3 months, maybe less, depending on how much time can be given to them!

12/01/2011
Contributor: Tessa Taboo Tessa Taboo
So, some of this has been said, but in bits and pieces, so I just want to get my whole opinion here:

I think as long as there is a disclaimer saying that EF is not responsible for anything that happens in the toy swap club (not getting a package, getting something 'dirty', getting something that isn't as expected, etc.) and is excluded from any liability in a transaction between two private parties, that it will be okay on the legal end. Just like how they do it on craigslist.

I like the idea, because I know the people here are smart, and educated. I agree with the 5+ ranking (although, I think maybe 5.5 is better... it gives people something to strive for, and if you have a couple of really good reviews off the bat, it's not hard to get to 5. I was at a 4.9 after my first 2) AND 20+ reviews done.

I would be much more apt to swap a toy with a group of that caliber, rather than buying off of the EF classifieds, or somewhere else.

I don't think that we should outlaw 'unsterilizable' toys, because what about the ones that haven't even been opened?

I think this is a GREAT idea, and if you need any help to organize and maintain, I'd love to be on board if it takes off!
12/01/2011
Contributor: mizzmilla mizzmilla
I think it's a great idea for people who want it
12/01/2011
Contributor: KnK KnK
Quote:
Originally posted by aliceinthehole
*Toy Swapping. What do you think of when you hear the phrase?*Downsizing. Do you have a massive hoarder's collection of toys you never use that you'd like to give a new home?*Hoarding. Would you like to hoard more amazing toys and ... more
I'm perfectly alright with EF having a toy swap club, but I don't see what's wrong with the one that Dangerous Lilly started. It's much smaller and I feel like a smaller group is better. EF is massive. I also think that people should have higher rankings or they should qualify if they have a LOT of reviews, like 20+. That way it shows that they're going to be around for awhile and aren't just a bunch of creepy riff raff.
12/02/2011
Contributor: TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
I think that lots of people think about this because of Dangerous Lilly's community. However, I know that Lilly not only puts tremendous amounts of hardwork into her admin sector, but also that people have been known to scam others. Now, obviously you can try to limit this with whatever requirements you want, but keep in mind, hers has requirements too. With a much smaller pool of people. I am not opposed to seeing it here on EF, but as far as regulating it goes, I think it will take a lot more effort than you think. JMHO.
12/02/2011
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Quote:
Originally posted by TitsMcScandal
I think that lots of people think about this because of Dangerous Lilly's community. However, I know that Lilly not only puts tremendous amounts of hardwork into her admin sector, but also that people have been known to scam others. Now, ... more
This.

I guess I'm not sure of the idea as an official Eden club (regarding liability and such) but I do have so many toys I'd like to get rid of that I wouldn't mind expanding the potential swappers.
12/02/2011
Contributor: Tessa Taboo Tessa Taboo
Quote:
Originally posted by TitsMcScandal
I think that lots of people think about this because of Dangerous Lilly's community. However, I know that Lilly not only puts tremendous amounts of hardwork into her admin sector, but also that people have been known to scam others. Now, ... more
I think it would be an effort, that is for sure. But if there were a few people on board willing to help, I think it would be worked out okay.
12/02/2011
Contributor: Love Perpetua Love Perpetua
I think it's a good idea as long as the toys are sterilizable or unopened.
12/02/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
I've already swapped 3-4 toys using the Toy Swap Network. I don't believe in restrictions. Adults can rationally decide what materials and products are suitable for themselves - we don't need to play 'big-brother'.
12/02/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
About a year ago, I tried to get a lingerie swap going, but ran into snags with privacy of addresses etc. If we can find a safe way to do it, toys too, i'd be all for it and would love to help.
12/02/2011
Contributor: lilly555 lilly555
Quote:
Originally posted by TitsMcScandal
I think that lots of people think about this because of Dangerous Lilly's community. However, I know that Lilly not only puts tremendous amounts of hardwork into her admin sector, but also that people have been known to scam others. Now, ... more
It would also be a good idea to find a way to include privacy. If the toys have to be mailed to someone then the sender will have that persons real name (maybe) but certainly their address. Some people might not be comfortable with that. It should be a disclaimer when joining the club.
12/02/2011
Contributor: cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
Quote:
Originally posted by lilly555
It would also be a good idea to find a way to include privacy. If the toys have to be mailed to someone then the sender will have that persons real name (maybe) but certainly their address. Some people might not be comfortable with that. It should be ... more
That's where I think it will get really tricky.

Anything EF does, and they pull off a lot of amazing things, takes tons of time, work and communication between several departments. They put a lot of work into a simple club or community thread and then so much more has to happen behind the scenes.

Anyways! There are a lot of people on here who I would trust with my info, but what about setting up PO boxes? If someone really wanted to do toy swap they could do that.

Has anyone brought this up in a community planning meeting? I haven't been to any as of recent, but if no one has that would be a good place to start. Or an email to gary or someone who can give more information.
12/02/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
Quote:
Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
About a year ago, I tried to get a lingerie swap going, but ran into snags with privacy of addresses etc. If we can find a safe way to do it, toys too, i'd be all for it and would love to help.
it would be just as safe as etsy or the like. if you are to make a trade with someone, you must provide them your address.


common sense would be to only trade with folks you've spoken with from EF.


also, if club members are regulated *active* community members, mishaps are much less likely to occur. and if/when they do, the proper actions will be taken to ensure it doesn't happen from the same user again.
12/02/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
Quote:
Originally posted by Gunsmoke
I've already swapped 3-4 toys using the Toy Swap Network. I don't believe in restrictions. Adults can rationally decide what materials and products are suitable for themselves - we don't need to play 'big-brother'.
i personally feel the same way.
12/02/2011
Contributor: gretsch1963 gretsch1963
Its already been said, but there are simply a lot of complications here. Not to mention potential legal ramifications if there wasn't some form of sufficient release of liability for all parties involved. As the saying goes, it only takes one bad apple to ruin the whole bunch. Could it work? Maybe... It will just take a lot of work to get it there.
12/02/2011
Contributor: Tessa Taboo Tessa Taboo
Quote:
Originally posted by gretsch1963
Its already been said, but there are simply a lot of complications here. Not to mention potential legal ramifications if there wasn't some form of sufficient release of liability for all parties involved. As the saying goes, it only takes one bad ... more
As far as the legal things go, maybe it could be better if the actual posting of ads and such were done in a private facebook group? But that is against the whole privacy thing... who knows.
12/02/2011