Speculation

Speculation

Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
I've been noticing a lot of speculation going on in reviews lately.
Things like:

The package says this is waterproof but I don't believe it is.
This is supposed to be phthalate free but I don't think it is.
EF says this is silicone but I'm not sure it is.


I understand all those concerns, I truly do. But at the same time is it really fair to speculate without testing to be sure? To put a negative connotation on your review if you don't have the facts?

I don't think it is.

Things like waterproof capabilities are easy to test. Why not do so or simply say you were unwilling to risk it?

We have a huge material guideline list. Why not use it? link

If you're not sure on a material, why not ask support? Customer service support tickets are very easy to do. You can also ask any of us who work for EF and we'd find out for you.

A review is not very useful if you're speculating.

I could speculate without even owning the toy...
04/15/2010
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LicentiouslyYours LicentiouslyYours
Something else I'd add to this is that the support folks are always willing to look into information that you think might be posted incorrectly on our website.

If you think a toy is measured wrong, or listed as waterproof when it's not, let us know and we will verify the information. It's very important that the information we list for a toy be accurate, but errors sometimes happen and reviewers have been very helpful in the past in correcting inaccurate information.

So, like Carrie Ann said, instead of speculating, help us investigate the actual situation so we can all know for sure.
04/15/2010
J's Alley J's Alley
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Originally posted by LicentiouslyYours
Something else I'd add to this is that the support folks are always willing to look into information that you think might be posted incorrectly on our website.

If you think a toy is measured wrong, or listed as waterproof when it's ...
I agree. Eden Link is great for this reason. You can ask the manufacturer. I have done that before and I waited over two weeks to get an answer back before I posted the review. I would rather my review be late than be negative for no reason or hold inaccurate information.

The biggest thing I notice is the size thing. My sizes tend to differ from EF's from time to time, but we may be measuring different areas too.
04/15/2010
Gary Gary
Excellent Point!

Also... you have a lot of resources at your disposal, you can research properties and ask questions. I am always surprised when some emails me about information they were confused about after they contacted the company on their own and got to the bottom of it. I am not saying that everyone should do that, but speculation can cast a dark cloud on anything.
04/15/2010
Sir Sir
Thank you for posting this, Carrie Ann. I agree with this completely.

The only speculation that I agree with is for lingerie or BDSM items: "This may not work for people with this body type," or "people into lighter play may like this."

J's Alley: I actually have the same thing - I will measure something and it will not be the same measurements as Edenfantasys'.
04/15/2010
TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
The only time I speculate with waterproof-ability is if I like the toy. If I think It may not work in water, and I like it, I'm not going to test it for fear of ruining it. Otherwise, I agree.
04/15/2010
Jul!a Jul!a
Quote:
Originally posted by Sir
Thank you for posting this, Carrie Ann. I agree with this completely.

The only speculation that I agree with is for lingerie or BDSM items: "This may not work for people with this body type," or "people into lighter play may ...
I've had that happen too, so I generally make it a practice to measure anything I plan to review on my own rather than relying just on what the overview says.
04/15/2010
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
Quote:
Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I've been noticing a lot of speculation going on in reviews lately.
Things like:

The package says this is waterproof but I don't believe it is.
This is supposed to be phthalate free but I don't think it is.
EF says this is ...
I could not agree more! Speculations just cast aspersions on a product without really giving a definitive yes or no. "This could turn into an eel and devour you and your children, I dunno, never tried it." (mild exaggeration)

Of course, in the spirit of pot/kettle/black, I recently posted a follow-up to a condom review I wrote waaay back when. I had accused the hapless condom of using glycerin-containing lube, when in fact, all condoms of that brand (with one exception) use silicone lube. If there's a question about the product's properties being different from what's listed, definitely ask the manufacturer about it. Then we'll all be the wiser.
04/15/2010
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I agree with a lot of this post. Though I do measure my toys myself.
04/16/2010
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Quote:
Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
I could not agree more! Speculations just cast aspersions on a product without really giving a definitive yes or no. "This could turn into an eel and devour you and your children, I dunno, never tried it." (mild exaggeration)

Of ...
Lmao.
Oh my god. Lmao.

I NEED one of those eels!
04/16/2010
Sir Sir
Quote:
Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Lmao.
Oh my god. Lmao.

I NEED one of those eels!
Yeah...me too....
04/16/2010
Victoria Victoria
Great thread! I definitely agree: ASK, don't ASSUME!
04/16/2010
Spicy Sunday Spicy Sunday
Oh no! I submitted a review yesterday, and I just realized I said something along those lines - but it was in the context of a toy that had a very fragile battery compartment/vibe strength dial and the dial mechanism broke very easily after only one use. I said:

"Although it is advertised as waterproof, I am a bit wary of the design of the speed dial and battery compartment, so I would personally only feel comfortable using it as a "splashproof" toy, and not a waterproof toy."

Is that okay to say? Now that I read it, that is maybe unfair. I stand behind my opinion, but I also understand that one copy of the toy being fragile in my hands doesn't exactly constitute a scientific study of the sea-worthiness of the product. Help! Should I edit my review? I am not sure how I'd edit it though, because I definitely wouldn't take the broken toy into the water, even for the sake of science! The toy also turned out to be something that didn't work for my partner and me, so I'd hesitate to ask Eden for a replacement.
04/26/2010
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Quote:
Originally posted by Spicy Sunday
Oh no! I submitted a review yesterday, and I just realized I said something along those lines - but it was in the context of a toy that had a very fragile battery compartment/vibe strength dial and the dial mechanism broke very easily after only one ...
I say things like that, too. Sometimes I just don't trust toys even if they haven't failed me yet
04/26/2010
deceased deceased
Quote:
Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Lmao.
Oh my god. Lmao.

I NEED one of those eels!
How bout just a co worker?
04/26/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
Quote:
Originally posted by deceased
How bout just a co worker?
A co-worker eating giant sex toy eel? hmmmmmm seems marketable...
04/27/2010
Darling Dove Darling Dove
Whenever I say that about waterproofing I say why I was unwilling to test it. The reason is usually I was reasonably concerned it would ruin the toy. I'm pretty up front about that. Sometimes its not about the seal though, but its more about the toy itself. Like toys with partially attached sleeves, water would get in and fester, it'd be impossible to get it all out.

So I say if I was unwilling to test it, personally. But a LOT of toys turn out to just be splashproof not TRULY waterproof so I usually err on the side of caution. I dont like recklessly breaking shit.
04/27/2010
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Quote:
Originally posted by Spicy Sunday
Oh no! I submitted a review yesterday, and I just realized I said something along those lines - but it was in the context of a toy that had a very fragile battery compartment/vibe strength dial and the dial mechanism broke very easily after only one ...
I think, since the toy was breaking and fragile, it was a good, common sense bit of advice. There's a difference between that and speculation and, honestly, I think using common sense is our best bet. I wouldn't worry about editing your review, no.

Or, as Darling Dove mentioned, we can always give reasons why we speculate or simply state that we didn't test certain functionalities.
04/27/2010
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