What do you find offensive?

Contributor: Owl Identified Owl Identified
Most of the offensive stuff that I've seen and read in this community in terms of reviews honestly has pertained to trans related stuff. Even the "transgender" tag on reviews as an option sort of makes me feel funny -it's not offensive, per se, but a little strange to me. Granted, packers as an example are something that trans men may be interested in, but they also might interest cis men looking to bulk up or trans & cis women looking to engage in some gender play. It goes back to Alan & Michele's comment of "are middle aged people really so different?" I think the tag is well intentioned and I don't want to needlessly criticize an effort that I think comes from a positive place. This is just my honest gut reaction when I see the tag.

I'm also really glad that we have some great reviewers on this website that come from varied gender histories, so these reviewers are on hand to offer helpful corrections and such. I'm also really glad that recently we've had discussions about different body types (and Carrie Ann's comment above is well taken). I have always used the word 'fat' for political reasons - because being heavy is not a bad thing and the f-word should not be an insult but rather a neutral descriptor, and I use it as such. However, after reading that some people on this site are upset by the word it has definitely made me re-think that choice. Even though I definitely stand by my belief that that word shouldn't be thought of as a negative, I realize that it hurts some people and I don't want to hurt anyone. Additionally, as a person with a smaller body type, this isn't really my word to reclaim. So for anyone that was offended by my usage of the word in the recent post about weight, I hope you accept my apology.
01/29/2010
Contributor: Kayla Kayla
Oh, and I guess I just realized this, but I find offense to most "slang" words for vagina: "Pussy" I can tolerate, but I'm not fond of, but "twat" or "cunt" just...I do find those offensive.
01/29/2010
Contributor: Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
I may catch flack for this, but so be it. I find the implications and outright accusations that scientists/medical professions are all "out to get" sexuality and the like, very offensive. [This does NOT include people who have legitimate beef with individual members of the scientific and/or medical communities (a doctor who mistreated them, refused a test, wouldn't help with their issue, etc).] I'm not trying to attack anyone, but many people do this without even meaning to attack us, personally.

For example, the whole issue of "science says not every woman has a g-spot/science says g-spots don't exist; I've had g-spot orgasms so I know they do; fuck science, they have no clue what they're talking about; maybe even it's an anti-feminist conspiracy!" I'm not going to get into it here, but the whole argument is based on a very skewed interpretation of the findings of a few studies.

Basically, science isn't out to get anyone. They're studying phenomena. They present what people said they did and didn't enjoy or feel, what they did or didn't see in scans. Conspiracies don't make it into peer-reviewed journals. (Trust me, I'm going through the publications process right now. They rip you to shreds if you're not objective enough.)

Sorry for ranting a bit, but as a scientist, I find it very offensive when people attack science because it doesn't say what they want it to say, or because it doesn't agree with their bit of anecdotal evidence. People pour years, if not decades, of their lives into their research. They've covered a hell of a lot more than a few anecdotes, so your point of view is probably represented in their data set. Their results aren't "wrong" just because your bit of data didn't end up being the result of exhaustive statistical analysis.
01/29/2010
Contributor: TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
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Originally posted by Kayla
Oh, and I guess I just realized this, but I find offense to most "slang" words for vagina: "Pussy" I can tolerate, but I'm not fond of, but "twat" or "cunt" just...I do find those offensive.
I will say, this is something I try really hard not to do. I apparently use offensive language in every day life. I get looks when I talk about my pussy because I usually call it much dirtier things. lol. So writing reviews and not using those words is somewhat hard for me. Using vagina... I don't think I could do it just because it sounds weird to me... However I use pussy because I feel most people don't find it offensive. I try as hard as I can not to use the more offensive words and I don't think I have... However I am glad that someone said this so I wasn't refraining for no reason!!!
01/29/2010
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
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Originally posted by Kayla
I always took "middle aged couples" to mean "This will be a great product to spice up your sex life". And they sorta have twenty-somethings. I like to consider that "College students". Either way, the tags are ... more
Ah, well it's probably good that they're changing the tags then, because they seem to mean different things to different peeps. We personally went through that spice up your sex life" long before middle age, so the tag just struck us as an age-related diss. And whenever I see "College Student" I take it to just mean "This product better be quiet and easy to conceal since I live in a dorm" since not all twenty-somethings go to college. I guess it's all a point of view thing.

@Victoria---- Too cool! Can't wait to see the changes.

@JonsBabydoll--- I think you make a good point in that ignorance is a major factor here, or at least it is in our case. For example, I used the word "transgendered" in my first post, but maybe that wasn't the right one? I honestly don't know, I just hope it didn't hurt anyone because it wasn't meant to be ugly.
Lingerie reviews are always particularly difficult to write, because it's a simple fact that certain outfits would look stunning on heavier women, whereas they might hang like a limp rag on skinny me. That seems relevant to point out in a review, but how to do so nicely? And there again I probably used a term or two that someone would find offensive... eeek!
01/29/2010
Contributor: Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Just a thought, because I don't know specifically who you are referring to, but they might list "Made In China" as a con because they do not regulate labor in China. I know that when I see "Made In China" I am turned off ... more
I wasn't referring to a specific review or post, because I've seen it listed as a con more than once and by more than one reviewer. I understand your reasoning, and I can understand that an individual may choose to not purchase a toy that is manufactured in China to make a statement, or simply because it does not sit well with them morally. I respect that decision. Heck, my mom blames China whenever our Made In China remote control breaks, and she grew up there.

That doesn't change the fact that I get a gut reaction of feeling defensive whenever it's listed as a con without further explanation in the review. Things like "It's great, even though it's made in China, LOL!" make me bristle.

I've already gone on for longer than I should have on this subject. I'll just sum up the rest of my thoughts real quick. It's true that lack of better labor laws makes Chinese labor ripe for exploiting by big companies. So I'd hold the companies responsible for making sure that the workers that make my toys (and other products) are treated well. If you find out a company employs Chinese labor, ask them how their workers are treated, what benefits they get, etc. If it's not up to your standards, then don't buy their products; you have a great reason not to.
01/29/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by LicentiouslyYours
Lately we've had several people contact us regarding terminology used in reviews.

Often, offensive terminology is used, not out of disrespect, but simply not being aware that some find certain slang or phrasing hurtful.

So, I ... more
I find it very offensive when people assume things about the reviewer because of what they open up and share. We aren't obligated to talk about our personal lives and when someone does, even if you don't agree with their choices, it's not ok to express yourself in a derogatory manner. Having said that I will also mention that I find this attitude more prevalent on other sites, the community here makes a special effort to be inclusive and accepting. This is part of the reason I love it here.

For example: I am polyamorous; that doesn't mean I am impulsive, immature or unable to commit. It means I am willing to do the hard work involved in nurturing many relationships and I am actually very slow to accept or make changes.

One other pet peeve is spelling words incorrectly to appear "trendy" (ie: Ur instead of your).
01/31/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
I more often find myself in situations where I am reading a review (or even forum post) and seeing something that makes me think "Wow. That was kind of insensitive to a certain group of people," rather than "I personally feel offended ... more
Speaking to your 'Made in China' beef I have to agree, it seems that the companies that are forced to recall shoddy products are those who are KNOWN for buying the cheapest crap to sell to us for pennies...not for quality store products. It is true you get what you pay for!

On the other side of the coin seeing in a review that "you bigger, heavier ladies may not be able to fit this cute little outfit...." makes me want to b- slap the reviewer! Again this isn't really something I see often on this site.

I will add that when a fellow reviewer takes the time to point out an unsafe practice suggested by a reviewer it makes me sad to see the origonal reviewer sneering and generally being obnoxious. It's even worse if their friends weigh in on the matter suggesting that their friend is a good person and we should all stop being so critical! If it is unsafe it doesn't matter if YOU take the risk you shouldn't suggest it's ok to others! Lots of people do not use condoms when being nonmonogamous but it still doesn't make it ok for them to say it isn't dangerous behavior!
01/31/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Lithaewyn
Do you find it offensive if a review mentions that the wearable item might fit a certain body type best? Not for aesthetics, but purely because it probably would fit better/more comfortably?
Actually no pointing out the benefits or flaws of an outfit for any number of body types is very helpful. It's more about the many different ways to say something.
01/31/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Heartthrob
I have found two things offensive on the site. The first is the mention of rape in reviews. I have seen a few reviews where the toy was used in what the reviewer called rape. Rape is not something that needs to be glamorized. Playful forced sex in a ... more
WOW I don't think I've ever read a review on this site with mention of rape or underage useage! I think I feel lucky in a weird way, it would disturb me to no end to see either of those things. Now I agree that Mothers should talk to their daughters about the naturalness of exploring their bodies I'm not sure giving them a toy will facilitate this ethically. Certainly with my girls I won't chastise them for using toys (their own not mine) but they can wait till they are old enough to purchase them legally. Until then the toys the Gods have provided are good enough (hands, fingers ect.)

As for rape and toys? That's just wrong thinking, rape isn't about sex or sexual pleasure it's about control. Used in a fantasy of forced sex ok...but that's not truly rape.
01/31/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
I also find it offensive when in a review a person will mention that people interested in polyamory should try a double dildo or harness because it simulates a threesome. A more correct way to say this would be to mention that people interested in threesomes, but unsure, might try these products because they can facilitate the fantasy. Polyamory is a lovestyle while group sex is a fantasy or activity. Lovestyles may include threesomes but they may not as well! For instance in my own triad we have only had 1 three way in over 2 years, and I have not yet been invited to play with my husband's playmates!

Basically speaking it's a good idea to be sure you have a firm grasp of the terminology before using it in this diverse community, or be gracious when corrected!
01/31/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
I'm not going to comment on anyone else's specific posts for personal reasons. However, I think that for me I just don't think certain terminology is professional. If you can avoid using the word pussy a bunch of times in a review or cock etc...then I think you should.

I think a lot of this "politically correctness" is total CRAP. One thing in one culture or area of the USA even, can be non threatening to a few, some, or a lot.

I think NO MATTER WHAT...there is ALWAYS someone you will offend. You cannot please everyone.

Here is a weird example. I once had a black friend who yelled at me for calling another black person African American. I was shocked! I asked him to explain. He said that he was neither African, nor American...that he was French. I have said black ever since. Being "politically correct"..is often not "CORRECT".

I do agree with everyone who said that it should be taken to PMs. This reinforces my opinion that you can't please everyone. But, I understand that it is hard to approach everyone in this way when offended. You need to be approachable. I am going to work on this, and I think many of us should too.
01/31/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I have to admit I find it offensive in some weird way when people say things like "this was too big for me cuz I'm a very thin person" or "my wife is small, she goes to the gym every day, so this might work better for larger ... more
Wow, that is just text book incorrect. I have not seen that here. But I believe you when you say you have seen it. It is amazing how many old-wives -tales are still around.

Maybe we should start putting butter on our burns again LMAO.
01/31/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Just a thought, because I don't know specifically who you are referring to, but they might list "Made In China" as a con because they do not regulate labor in China. I know that when I see "Made In China" I am turned off ... more
Alright so I lied lol. I decided to comment on a few I agreed with lol.

I know I am not the only person who has done this. BUT, for me the reason I have is because cons and pros will always be somewhat subjective. That is why we allow multiple reviews on the same products, to get all sides. I am an American citizen and I prefer to support my country when I can. But Sex-Lies and Pre-Law also hit it on the head. It also has to do with the amount of unsafe products coming from China, ESPECIALLY in the adult industry. This is why I also list made in USA as a pro. I know many people that ONLY buy products from their country. Well, the US is mine, so I list it. Of course...again it is subjective so it may not be a pro for some, but it is much like any other pro or con. Different strokes for different folks!
01/31/2010
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
Wow, that is just text book incorrect. I have not seen that here. But I believe you when you say you have seen it. It is amazing how many old-wives -tales are still around.

Maybe we should start putting butter on our burns again LMAO.
Honestly, I've seen the assumption a few times about petite women not being able to use bigger toys.. I think it's innocent ignorance but it's still misguided
01/31/2010
Contributor: Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I'm not going to comment on anyone else's specific posts for personal reasons. However, I think that for me I just don't think certain terminology is professional. If you can avoid using the word pussy a bunch of times in a review or cock ... more
Okay, the reason you got yelled at is not because the term African American is a flawed term. The reason you got yelled at is because you incorrectly assumed that because a person had dark skin that they were of African descent and that they were U.S. citizens. You were obviously very wrong in that assumption, and your friend was rightfully offended. The problem in that situation was not that "political correctness" failed; it was common sense in its application that had failed. Haitian Americans are not African Americans. Neither are Trinidadian Americans. Neither are Jamaican Americans. The list goes on.

All this nonsense that "political correctness" is "crap" is really saddening. It's pretty upsetting that you are being so dismissive when everyone on this thread so far has been really respectfully toward one another. If you think it's too hard to take a moment out of your life to learn how to accurately and respectfully identify someone, to learn how to not hurt them and upset them by using incorrect or derogatory terminology, then perhaps you don't understand what it's like to be marginalized and have your identity constantly questioned, ridiculed, erased, etc. To have your identity be a constant source of denial of fundamental rights, to have your identity be a constant source of alienation and degradation. Or maybe you think it only counts when it happens to you, and that when it happens to, say a person of color, it's just not as important.

I really would urge you to look at the statements you are making, but if I can't urge you to reconsider them, I would at least ask you to reconsider making such dismissive posts that shame those that ask to be spoken to and of with respect. If someone doesn't like the word "fat" then they have the right to demand it not be used around them, or at least not TO them. If someone is Trinidadian they have the right to demand they not be mislabeled as African American.

Finally, no, there is no single magic word that will make every person of a given community happy. We all, myself included (scroll up through this post for proof of that), will say things that offend people. That's why this is a really good post. Obviously we're not going to reach some consensus on what is okay and what's not okay. The original poster is opening up a discussion in which people can raise different concerns and explain those concerns. With this thread we can start to work on the issues our community deals with in terms of language. None of us are born knowing everything about every community. That's why we try to respect each individual's identity and when we're not sure, we err on the side of caution and ask them. And that's what the original poster is doing --she's asking us.
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    I am personally offended by this
01/31/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Okay, the reason you got yelled at is not because the term African American is a flawed term. The reason you got yelled at is because you incorrectly assumed that because a person had dark skin that they were of African descent and that they were ... more
@Sex, Lies & Pre-Law

WOW...ummm I don't even know where to start I'm so angry.

Thank you for insulting my life and character and getting so far off topic to do so since you are completely wrong about what I think it's not even funny (btw I was f-ing 14 when this happened).

I was being anything but dismissive (your entire 2nd paragraph isn't me at all!). I wish I had not said anything, I should have trusted my instincts that yet again someone would twist words and intentions of someone else and not respect my individual opinion.

Unfortunately you got an incorrect idea of what I was saying and singled me out unfairly. You missed what I was saying entirely. My example was just to show that even the politically correct terms we are taught are not always correct. If you want an answer to the original question. It is things like your response that I find offensive to me.

It is very clear that no matter WHAT, someone will blow their top over what you say. There is no preventing it no matter how much thought you put into what you say...and I put in quite a bit for being 4am.

But somehow you basically called me something on par with a disrespectful insensitive racist? For that, I would appreciate an apology please.

I also don't need to be taught what the intention of this thread is...I was part of it. I know full well.

**BTW I didn't finish this thought. The end of it would have read..."I think a lot of this "politically correctness" is total CRAP. One thing in one culture or area of the USA even, can be non threatening to a few, some, or a lot...or not at all."

I'm sorry everyone...this just really hit a nerve that someone could assume things about me like they did and post them this way, when I didn't do that to anyone here or to that person. I hope everyone understands. If not...we have a lot of work to do!
01/31/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
I don't know about Offensive with a capital "O", but reading words like "pussy", "cock", "asshole", "cum", etc. is a big turn off for me.
For related information, search "Fill her whoo-ha with goof juice". I don't know which comedian did that bit...Burbigula?

I don't think "Made in China" is a flaw. "Made by a crappy company in China" is a better flaw, but is subjective. I think it would be a good idea to keep in mind that not everyone on the site is American. Pointing out that products made in your own country are better than products made in other countries further perpetuates "arrogant American" stereotype that makes a lot of us claim we're Canadian when we leave the country. Leatherbeaten is a great company...based in Canada.
01/31/2010
Contributor: Tuesday Tuesday
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
I don't know about Offensive with a capital "O", but reading words like "pussy", "cock", "asshole", "cum", etc. is a big turn off for me.
For related information, search "Fill her whoo-ha ... more
I didn't know 'cock' was offensive. I'm sure I've used that word in reviews. I won't any more. What terms for the male phallus are acceptable? Only 'penis'? I just read a survey that most men referred to it with the word 'dick.' Is that word ok?
01/31/2010
Contributor: Tuesday Tuesday
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Honestly, I've seen the assumption a few times about petite women not being able to use bigger toys.. I think it's innocent ignorance but it's still misguided
When I was in college I assumed this was true too - until I was fitted with a large size diaphragm. I expressed my distress and the doctor told me that the more fat there is around the vagina the tighter/smaller it is and that thin women often need big diaphragms. So in fact, the opposite is true.
01/31/2010
Contributor: Victoria Victoria
Hello everyone,

The staff here is sad to see such a productive post go so awry, myself included – I was hoping to read even more about what people find offensive and learn about the perception of others. Maybe we can continue that?

Ok – so onto addressing the drama in this thread:

I can see how some feathers were ruffled, but I think some things could’ve been discussed in private messages – and some things that are not related to this thread could have been not mentioned at all.

We are considering a two week account suspension for Lauren. With all of the private emails / messages we get, as well as what we see on the site, and good threads like these being derailed – we just think it’s time to cool off and take a break. I am emailing Lauren privately and allowing for her rebuttal, but in the interest of full disclosure to everyone who has seen this recent flare up, I thought you should know.

We have the community in mind here – we are listening to the concerns, even on a Sunday.
01/31/2010
Contributor: Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
One of the most offensive things I've seen in this community is something that I know I was once guilty of. It's the way people sometimes turn transpeople into sex objects. I never really fetishized transpeople, but I did say in a thread about changing sex for a day that I'd prefer to be a hermaphrodite for a day. Within days of posting it, I was ashamed of being so callus, and wished I could take it down. Calling trans- of any variety the "best of both worlds" and going on about how you'd love to have sex with one is offensive. They're people, too, with families and parents and children.

Thank goodness, I've never seen a regular of this community say such a thing. It's only the people who pop in for a thread or two then disappear who slaver over how they would worship a transgendered lover simply for being transgendered, and how amazing and sexy it would be to get laid by someone with differing presentation and genitalia. It's made me feel very comfortable in this community to never have to worry about someone thinking of my dad as a sex object, existing only as something to satisfy their lust and curiosity.
01/31/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
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Originally posted by Tuesday
I didn't know 'cock' was offensive. I'm sure I've used that word in reviews. I won't any more. What terms for the male phallus are acceptable? Only 'penis'? I just read a survey that most men referred to it with ... more
it's not really offensive, just a turn off. I'm not one for dirty talk in bed either...it just sounds like bad porn scripting to me.

Thanks for the consideration though, Tuesday; but don't change the way you write for lil ol' me.
01/31/2010
Contributor: Victoria Victoria
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
it's not really offensive, just a turn off. I'm not one for dirty talk in bed either...it just sounds like bad porn scripting to me.

Thanks for the consideration though, Tuesday; but don't change the way you write for lil ol' me.
I actually prefer "cock", over "penis" or "dick"... I guess it's all in preferences. There is slang I don't care for, but it's just for my own weird reasons, not because I take offense. For example, I really don't like "twat" or "prick" or "weiner"... but I wouldn't ask someone not to use them (well, except Gary - who loves to tease me by saying those words, and more, in a creepy voice just to make me squirm...aggghh!)
01/31/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
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Originally posted by Victoria
I actually prefer "cock", over "penis" or "dick"... I guess it's all in preferences. There is slang I don't care for, but it's just for my own weird reasons, not because I take offense. For example, I really ... more
HAHA

...wiener...

I've never read "wiener" in a review.
01/31/2010
Contributor: Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
I don't know about Offensive with a capital "O", but reading words like "pussy", "cock", "asshole", "cum", etc. is a big turn off for me.
For related information, search "Fill her whoo-ha ... more
I use some of those words, but I try to stay away from porn-y descriptions. I understand the discomfort many have with them. It think in general it can be really hard to reach a middle between clinical and pornographic; I think that's a balance a lot of us struggle to keep.

Something that offends me even more that whoo-ha and goof juice is REALLY detailed descriptions of use of the product. When I read "this made me squirt A LOT, so this is a great toy for squirting!" I find that useful. When I hear "and a torrential rain of womanly juices crashed forth from betwixt my quivering thighs!" and such, well, that's too much info for my tastes
01/31/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
HAHA

...wiener...

I've never read "wiener" in a review.
I've used wiener in reviews!

It was word of the year for 2009.

Really.

I couldn't stop saying it.
01/31/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I've used wiener in reviews!

It was word of the year for 2009.

Really.

I couldn't stop saying it.
Really? I've never seen you use "wiener"...must not've been looking hard enough
01/31/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
I use some of those words, but I try to stay away from porn-y descriptions. I understand the discomfort many have with them. It think in general it can be really hard to reach a middle between clinical and pornographic; I think that's a balance a ... more
agree!

oh...I think it was Patton Oswald who said that
01/31/2010
Contributor: Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
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Originally posted by Victoria
I actually prefer "cock", over "penis" or "dick"... I guess it's all in preferences. There is slang I don't care for, but it's just for my own weird reasons, not because I take offense. For example, I really ... more
Oh goodness, I hate "twat." I have no issue with it in reviews and forums and such, but in bed? Yikes. Majorly creepy. Why do guys love to tease us with words they know we dislike? >.<
01/31/2010