Should I get the Liberator Jaz or the Jaz Motion?

Should I get the Liberator Jaz or the Jaz Motion?

Susannah Susannah
Should I get the Liberator Jaz or the Jaz Motion? I'm 4'11, possibly a smidgen overweight but still petite, have CFS/ME and fibromyalgia, and want it mainly for a) propping my hips up for oral sex, and b) propping my hips up for missionary sex. Obviously we'll have fun trying other options! My partner is a man of 5'7, also a smidgen overweight. The Jaz is 18w x 14d x 6h and pointier, and the Jaz Motion is 19w x 13d x 6h. You can see them on the Liberator site, since EF don't sell them any more.

Due to Liberator using some pretty shady advertising practices, the place I bought it from accidentally sent me the Jaz Mini when both I and they had ordered the Jaz, so I've had a chance to play with it to a limited extent (wearing not only its full packaging but also a cardigan to stop it sliding around). Obviously we didn't actually do more than get into a couple of positions, but at 15w I think I'd fall off the Mini, even at my size! I'm glad I didn't get anything taller, it's already quite a feat to get myself on there.

Can you really use the fabled rocking motion with the Jaz Motion when it's on a bed? What's it like for those of us who get stiff around the hips when we're in the same position for too long?
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Inquisitor Inquisitor
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Originally posted by Susannah
Should I get the Liberator Jaz or the Jaz Motion? I'm 4'11, possibly a smidgen overweight but still petite, have CFS/ME and fibromyalgia, and want it mainly for a) propping my hips up for oral sex, and b) propping my hips up for missionary ...
I'm curious, what "shady practices" did Liberator use? Have you considered the heart wedge?

As far as your question about the rocking motion of the Jaz on a bed, all I can say is it depends on the type of mattress its on. If you have a more firm mattress, I think you would have more success with the rocking motion on the Jaz.
01/19/2015
samty samty
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Originally posted by Susannah
Should I get the Liberator Jaz or the Jaz Motion? I'm 4'11, possibly a smidgen overweight but still petite, have CFS/ME and fibromyalgia, and want it mainly for a) propping my hips up for oral sex, and b) propping my hips up for missionary ...
We still don't no what to get but think its time to get into the right position, we have a bouncy bed which we love so we would need a full size Liberator.

Sad to say the old shaggers back gets me in missionary after a while so this could be a great thing to get my position fixed too.

So im not much help Susannah but interested if they help ladies going solo for long periods? My neck suffers!
01/19/2015
Susannah Susannah
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Originally posted by Inquisitor
I'm curious, what "shady practices" did Liberator use? Have you considered the heart wedge?

As far as your question about the rocking motion of the Jaz on a bed, all I can say is it depends on the type of mattress its on. If you ...
My mattress is about twelve years old and still reasonably firm, while my wooden bed frame is in good shape. His bed frame isn't as well off, it sways and creaks, but the mattress is brand new.

I've considered the heart wedge, but apparently the narrow point at the bottom is uncomfortable for a lot of people, and doesn't provide proper back support for your upper back. Also it's an inch higher, and the Jaz is already pretty high! I can't work out whether the rocking thing would be comfortable or not, and also which shape would generally be easier to get on and feel better under my back. The slope will be a lot steeper with the Motion, but it does look nicely curved. They also sell the Stage system with the Jaz Motion, in a different cover, but practically no one reviews that, and if they do, they don't mention that bit. The Jaz is a lot thinner, and I'm wondering if that means that it squishes down a bit more and/or is easier to climb onto. Plus someone's review said that you can get a bit of rocking motion with the original Jaz.

By the way, has anyone used massage bolsters instead? Supposedly they are nice and firm, in sturdy vinyl. I'm staring thoughtfully at things like half-round jumbo bolsters, which at the very least I could put under my sore knees during meditation. They don't have the pretty soft covers, but I don't know, does that really matter?

The shady practice was to advertise the Jaz with a picture of the Jaz and £44.99 as the price, and to show the same on the product page, with no photos of the Mini anywhere on the UK site. It even has a video review of the Jaz. Then when you click on "choose an option", it says "Mini" or "Original +£19.99", without actually specifying which shape is the Mini and which shape is the Original. I didn't get as far as choosing an option anyway, as I was buying through a UK retailer in order to have a proper business to talk to. (The Liberator UK website gives the impression that it has a proper branch in the UK, but it just has a warehouse. The UK phone number they provide, which they say is open for UK business hours, goes through to a US number which is only open during US business hours. So you can't, for instance, ring up and get some idea of when your parcel is likely to arrive.) The disability retailer I was buying from also looked at the website and understood the Jaz to be £44.99, which is, after all, how they're advertising it. So they placed the order and had no idea I would be sent an entirely different product which is not shown on the website at all. The Jaz is actually £64.98. They're doing something similar in the US, except that they do show photos of the Mini and only tack on $9.99. The Jaz is $59.98 in the US, so they're adding a hefty markup to this particular product in the UK, compared to pricing of their other items. I reckon it's because they draw people in with their lower-priced items, and then hope they'll go on to spend more on the bigger items.

The Advertising Standards Agency have said that this is Not On, and asked me to report Liberator, although they admit they don't have much luck with US-based companies. When I finally get the product, I'll be reviewing it somewhere, and I will certainly mention this. The disability retailer I bought from is not at all impressed with Liberator over this either, and will be trying to get them to sell the product at the price it was advertised at. I've heard before that their customer service is poor, and they've certainly failed to respond to my emails. It's funny, people rave about them, but then they are very good at sending free products to sex toy reviewers, which must help their business massively.
01/20/2015
Inquisitor Inquisitor
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Originally posted by Susannah
My mattress is about twelve years old and still reasonably firm, while my wooden bed frame is in good shape. His bed frame isn't as well off, it sways and creaks, but the mattress is brand new.

I've considered the heart wedge, but ...
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with the company. I didn't realize you were ordering through a third party and not in the states.

I am in no way affiliated with the company other than a satisfied customer. I can give you some information about the foam they use for the majority if not all their shapes. I also have experience with the stage piece you mentioned.
01/20/2015
Susannah Susannah
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Originally posted by Inquisitor
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with the company. I didn't realize you were ordering through a third party and not in the states.

I am in no way affiliated with the company other than a satisfied customer. I can give you some ...
Ooh, so what's the stage piece like, then? As far as I can tell, it just has a monotone colour (prettier) but is otherwise the same as the Jaz Motion. And do you have the Jaz for comparison?
01/20/2015
Susannah Susannah
I'm tempted to get this, for instance. Possibly as an additional one, so that we have one in my partner's flat too. link They provide cases for a fiver, or I could get some nice fabric and sew one (though would I bother?). I could turn it upside down for rocking on, if that turned out to be a Thing, and it would also be useful for putting under my knees when they're sore and I'm doing stretches or meditating.
01/20/2015
Inquisitor Inquisitor
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Originally posted by Susannah
Ooh, so what's the stage piece like, then? As far as I can tell, it just has a monotone colour (prettier) but is otherwise the same as the Jaz Motion. And do you have the Jaz for comparison?
The current Stage from Liberator is, measured in inches,: 58L x 24W x 9H. I'm not sure what the conversion is for those "across the pond". It also has rounded edges. This is the second generation of the Stage and its predecessor had identical dimensions, but, no rounded edges.

Unlike the previous version (a.k.a. gen 1) of the Stage, this one comes with a half bolster pillow. It is made from the same foam as the other shapes. I'm not sure if either you or your partner own any of the shapes, but if you don't, the foam is firm yet yields to your body. The best analogy I can give you is that it is similar to a firm memory foam mattress.

Susannah, can you give me specific information as to what you would like to know about the stage? It would help me, help you out.
01/20/2015
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