Health professionals, their students, and their workplaces and institutions do many things common folk would deem "unethical". All the time. And although I'm not condoning the behavior, they do it because 1) they need to learn somehow, and most people don't give consent for this sort of time and 2) they can do it, generally, without consequence.

Heard about this a while ago. It's extremely upsetting.

That's been going on for years, and I won't even get started on a rant detailing what I think of the vast majority of medical "professionals&qu ot; these days. It's really just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how women are treated.

If you ever need a sedated procedure or surgery done, just read your admission forms and any other paperwork they give you. Every word. Because if it's a teaching hospital, there's usually a statement buried in the fine print several pages in saying that you'll allow this sort of thing. Cross it out, and put notes on that page as well as the front page detailing what you will not allow. Sign your notes, and have someone else sign under your signature as a witness. Verbally make it known that you've done so to anyone and everyone who might be involved with your care. Then ask for copies that you can keep. And do everything you can to have someone (friend/relative) overseeing your procedure. The staff will argue about it at first, but persistence pays off in most cases. If not, then go somewhere else. The last time Alan had something done, I stood in the O.R. the whole time, and I know he'd do the same for me.

If they want to do something they can damned well ask for consent, but neither of us trust them to do that any more. That may sound harsh to some people, but based on past experiences with pushy nurses and doctors who have god complexes, it's how we handle things now.

In most hospitals, especially teaching hospitals, there are clauses about this kind of practice in the admissions paperwork when you check in. Many people aren't knowledgeable about the practice (in order to ask questions, etc.) or fail to read the fine print in the paperwork. It's definitely one of the many things that needs to be altered in health care.

Uhh there should be consent for this..

Now just what the hell?!