#EdenUpdate - Changes in the update 216

Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Great link, Lauren. This definitely exemplifies a lot of what it being discussed, including excess negative space, aggressive type, repeated information, and lengthy loading time.
That was the worst I found so far, but most were only a little less white space. It depends how many pics there are.

You said everything I felt too timid to say, so thanks for that lol. I didn't want to sound overly negative either. There are things I like, but not enough to want to keep this.

I would like if these "mini web pages" were for high profile items like the lelo mona ect or ones being features or new, but not for everything. It's just too much.

I did notice that the item page now thanks you for buying the item. I thought that was kind of cute.
07/22/2010
Contributor: Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
That was the worst I found so far, but most were only a little less white space. It depends how many pics there are.

You said everything I felt too timid to say, so thanks for that lol. I didn't want to sound overly negative either. There ... more
Oh! I actually really love that bit about thanking you for buying an item! That's really cute And thank you for thanking me, lol, sometimes I feel like a big jerk for putting my opinions out there when they're negative and no one really asked for them, haha. I really don't want to sound like a Debbie Downer because I honestly do appreciate that EF is always looking for ways to improve, but no one can get it right every single time, y'know?
07/22/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
psst...we're human too!

...don't tell everyone
07/22/2010
Contributor: Kynky Kytty Kynky Kytty
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Do you guys think it's confusing because we're "used" to the old way? Or that brand new shoppers would also find it confusing?
I was going to say that I liked the older version better, but I'll go check again and try to look at it in a neutral way... (brb)
07/22/2010
Contributor: Kynky Kytty Kynky Kytty
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Originally posted by YoungCouple
Lot's of scrolling which will take getting used to, I REALLY think it needs just four changes:

1. Reviews should be viewable without scrolling
2. Reviews should have a few more lines of text
3. The Reviewers Avatar should be visible ... more
You bring a good point. When I first came here, and that I read a good review, I'd take notice and would choose to read from a specific reviewer for another product, when applicable. Being able to see the avatar really helps in putting a face on a reviewer name.
07/22/2010
Contributor: Kynky Kytty Kynky Kytty
Well no, I still do not like it. When I first land on a product page, yes, the first thing I see is the product image, which is really big, but I feel like I have to force my eyes into reading the part to the left.

And I agree that there is too much scrolling going on. But I think what I find the least interesting is that it's actually hard to see that the list of reviews are actually reviews and not just some quotes about how good the product is. The title of the sections does say they are reviews, but it's too subtle when someone is scrolling down. Besides, the list of reviews is listed under the video review when there is one, and they also look like they are comments as well.

I feel like consumers will scroll down some more and then land on the descriptive review and then not read anything else. It would probably help if there were buttons or tags at the top to at least lead you to the sections on the page.
07/22/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Oh! I actually really love that bit about thanking you for buying an item! That's really cute And thank you for thanking me, lol, sometimes I feel like a big jerk for putting my opinions out there when they're negative and no one really ... more
Yup exactly! i have my own site and creating the layout was ridiculous. Each change was scrutinized and it sucked when the majority of people didn't like it after hours of work. But...trial and error is best with these things.

Right now something I said was good is now giving me a headache. The larger pictures are a big too large for the quality, they are somewhat blurry (however so slightly) and it is giving me a headache to strain to focus. I had to stop looking at pages
07/22/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Kynky Kytty
Well no, I still do not like it. When I first land on a product page, yes, the first thing I see is the product image, which is really big, but I feel like I have to force my eyes into reading the part to the left.

And I agree that there is ... more
There are actually buttons to lead you to the reviews. But if there are no reviews, it just looks like a dead link. And it doesn't always jump to the right spot.
07/22/2010
Contributor: Blinker Blinker
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
Today we have released the following changes:

Product Page
- Product page design was updated for most of the products.
- The main product image was increased in size.
- Additional images were added at the bottom of the page
- All ... more
This is so awesome!
Thanks
07/22/2010
Contributor: Sundae Sundae
I can understand there is a period where everyone has to get used to any changes in design/etc. and it can feel weird to go to page and not see what you expect, but I think the issues with the new product pages go much deeper than that. I wouldn't say I was attached to the old product pages, but they were definitely more succinct and easy to follow than this new design. The main issues, in my opinion, are:

1. Sheer amount of info:
Though the old product pages had plenty packed into them, there were at least tabs, so you could flick through and check things out at your own pace. Here, as the tabs are gone, you end up with a gigantic block of text, pictures and info to take in. A lot of people have already talked about this, but the product page should really have a nice, clear, reasonably short summary with important info and pics. Leave it to the reviewers to flesh it out, or allow people to click through/have tabs and pop-ups to access more. Right now, it's an info overload. I feel like if it's an overload for me as a reviewer, who is already familiar with all of this, to a newbie it would be pretty crazy.

2. Descriptive review:
Though the descriptive reviews that are done are always very thorough and useful, with the new system, as seems to be evidenced by the Ina's page, these reviews suddenly take a much higher place in the scheme of things than other types of review. To have (what I assume) is the entire descriptive review on the page, with a quote up the top by the author, their icon etc. and then for the other (often very useful reviews) only have a single line and star rating, with no icon, is a bit unfair. Also, having the entire descriptive review is probably unnecessary as well, as it's got good info, but you don't need to be hit with 1000 words on the product on its page before you even click through to read reviews. If you want to highlight these, put them at the top of the review section maybe, with a label (as other people have mentioned labelling verified/non-verified reviews on the page is also very important) so people can read that first.

3. Repetition.
This links in with what I was saying about the descriptive reviews, but if you have that whole review on there, plus the top left column for materials info etc. that's too much. Where there are no descriptive reviews, it looks like that product information is just repeated again down lower. The same goes for product photos. You have them all at the top so you can super easily flick through if you're intrigued and still see the main picture in all its glory, so why are all those pictures repeated down below? Just means you have to scroll further, for no real gain and it increases the loading time.

4. Only pros being shown:
Gives a very skewed view of the toy and if I had known only pros would be shown for my reviews, I would have chosen to highlight very different features. I think this is definitely misleading for many products where there might be some pros, but a serious flaw. In fact, for my Form 2 review, that's really an issue, as it has a tonne of technically great features, which in my are completely outweighed by one failing. Summaries were a much better way to do things.

(Also unrelated, but I've noticed some of the writing on the banners etc. is a bit off. For example, on the Ina page the banner says, 'Indulge into luxury', which doesn't really make sense. Shouldn't it be 'Indulge in luxury'?)
07/22/2010
Contributor: removedacnt removedacnt
I want to mention that even if EF didn't give away free toys that this is the site I would shop from because of the reviews, the people, and the forum, and all the other wonderful things this site has to offer. So basically I think that we just all want this to be the place where everyone feels the same way. We want EF to be "The" best place to shop for sex toys online. So I believe what you're reading here is not complaining about the changes, as much as wanting what really makes EF work best to stay that way.
07/22/2010
Contributor: Splendwhore Splendwhore
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Originally posted by removedacnt
I want to mention that even if EF didn't give away free toys that this is the site I would shop from because of the reviews, the people, and the forum, and all the other wonderful things this site has to offer. So basically I think that we just ... more
Well put NuMe!
07/23/2010
Contributor: Hopeless Romantic Hopeless Romantic
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
Today we have released the following changes:

Product Page
- Product page design was updated for most of the products.
- The main product image was increased in size.
- Additional images were added at the bottom of the page
- All ... more
that's awesome
07/23/2010
Contributor: Beth D Beth D
I think the new design is very nice and I appreciate the hard work that must have gone into it, but I think the former design was better in the long run; the same information was available a more compact space. People that wanted to see the reviews could click the review tab and all the product information was conveniently there to the left. I like a few of the new features, too, such as the bigger pictures and the way the different color options are displayed.

I think maybe some kind of happy medium between this format and the previous one would be best, combining the best features of both.

I wholeheartedly approve of the points for purchase thing
07/23/2010
Contributor: Heartthrob Heartthrob
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
Today we have released the following changes:

Product Page
- Product page design was updated for most of the products.
- The main product image was increased in size.
- Additional images were added at the bottom of the page
- All ... more
Yeah, thanks Neuron Geek!
07/23/2010
Contributor: buzzvibe buzzvibe
I'm not all that crazy about the new product pages either, but I take a while to adapt to changes. I need to get used to the new layout.
07/23/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by Sundae
I can understand there is a period where everyone has to get used to any changes in design/etc. and it can feel weird to go to page and not see what you expect, but I think the issues with the new product pages go much deeper than that. I ... more
On the topic of the DR's...

This is always how they were intended to be used and why they are, indeed, so important and why only reviewers who can regularly give an objective, informative review are allowed in the program.
07/23/2010
Contributor: Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by removedacnt
I want to mention that even if EF didn't give away free toys that this is the site I would shop from because of the reviews, the people, and the forum, and all the other wonderful things this site has to offer. So basically I think that we just ... more
Agreed!
07/23/2010
Contributor: Rockin' Rockin'
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
On the topic of the DR's...

This is always how they were intended to be used and why they are, indeed, so important and why only reviewers who can regularly give an objective, informative review are allowed in the program.
Thank you for addressing this point.
07/23/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by Rockin'
Thank you for addressing this point.
Welcome.

I think people don't quite get, sometimes, that the DR isn't just a review but IS the description we rely on for the product. I'm actually hoping to see some really excellent DR's now that how they're to be used is so much more apparent.
07/23/2010
Contributor: cinnamoroll cinnamoroll
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I love the new pages. SO pretty and modern! Only thing I don't like was actually mentioned by someone else and that is that there is no indication if the reviews are verified or not - and this is the only way for contributors to know if they ... more
I agree that the new pages look great. But I was also a little confused because it doesn't list how many reviews there are already for a product and therefore it makes it harder to pick one to review. I think if that number was just added in the review section, that would be awesome and the new design would be perfect.
07/23/2010
Contributor: Midway through Midway through
I got a little lost at first, but I'm a fan of the way the new page is setup. My only complaint is I can't tell who the reviewers are. I used to identify by avatars and such.
07/23/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by removedacnt
Cool ideas!

I wrote this in another thread but I wanted to copy and paste it here as well.

"I hate to say this because I can tell that a lot of work went into doing all of that. But I find the new product pages much more ... more
I was thinking the same thing actually. The page is beautiful but confusing as hell. It's so over the top and even I can't find the information I'm looking for easily. As Carrie Ann said I don't know if a review is verified and our major emphasis has always been on reviews! The older template was much more concise and easy to follow. It gave the rating for the toy and the blurb about the toy as a major focal point though I do like all the info about the toy being so prominent. I dunno it looks great but generic to me. I know I have trouble with change though so it's probably something that I'll enjoy with time.
07/24/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
psst...we're human too!

...don't tell everyone
NOOOoooooOOOOoo you guys are some sort of cyber enhanced genetic freaks aren't you??!!??? C'mon just admit it.

You guys do such a good job that we don't want to complain overly...but this really needs some rethinking. I mean we'll live with it and do our best to make it work but maybe some of the suggestions might make it just a bit more user friendly?
07/24/2010
Contributor: Sir Sir
Alright, now I'm going to add something. It took me a total of five minutes, searching for where the product code was, and no, I'm not exaggerating. I had to look up, down, all around in order to find it. When I finally did, I was a bit aggravated. I do not know if this matters when it comes to buyers or not (since they will not be needing the product code unless returning), but the layout is still too much whenever I look at it. It's very difficult to navigate, you know..?
07/25/2010
Contributor: Neuron Geek Neuron Geek
Thank you for submitting your opinions about product page, we will make a few corrections including the product code issue next week.
07/25/2010
Contributor: Jessica Elizabeth Jessica Elizabeth
I'm neutral to most of the changes on the product page, however the giant banner on top is a bit much. I feel that it takes a lot of focus away from the product itself.
07/25/2010
Contributor: Sir Sir
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
Thank you for submitting your opinions about product page, we will make a few corrections including the product code issue next week.
You're welcome!
07/25/2010
Contributor: Owl Identified Owl Identified
Neuron Geek, thanks for responding here and for listening to our concerns. Like I said above, I understand that tons of time and energy are put into designing these pages, but sometimes as someone else said less is more. I hope you and the rest of the tech staff don't interpret our concerns as a lack of gratitude, at least not on my part. I really do appreciate the amount of work that goes into this site's design, but as a customer as well as a reviewer I just want to make my concerns known. Thank you again for being gracious and hearing us out.
07/25/2010
Contributor: Annemarie Annemarie
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Neuron Geek, thanks for responding here and for listening to our concerns. Like I said above, I understand that tons of time and energy are put into designing these pages, but sometimes as someone else said less is more. I hope you and the rest of ... more
Well said, totally agree.
07/25/2010