Security Update: Isolated Document Incident

Contributor: AnaM AnaM
To use something as Google Docs to log in hours, names, addresses, and other data is highly unprofessional. When you collect data, any sort of private data, then you have only one chance to get it right - as a business.
As for myself, I've chosen not to be an affiliate, remove all affiliate creatives, and be done with it.
11/20/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Victoria
I'm working late tonight, largely in part to this situation, and want to clear a few things up - as our new PR person has left for the night...
We immediately met and discussed this situation this morning. We then responded in many ways - ... more
Five minutes ago was the first I heard of this problem. This post by Victoria is one of the most reasonable on the thread. I am, too, still trying to track and understand most of the situation.

1. The moment that Eden found out about the problem they should have sent email, not posted this on the forum. I think that's a crappy way to deal with a problem with a public announcement in a venue not everyone reads. (Further complicating the issue with.. "send an email to the program manager to find out if you were on the document."

2. Any company that is trying to protect secure information of any sort should flat out know better than to use something like Google documents or any other off site storage or utilities.

Memory is cheap. Firewalls exist for a reason. There is something called an "Intranet."

I can believe this is an accident. I do not accept that everyone in either the Eden community or the Blogger community is respectable. Nor do I believe that there are not people that would not deliberately harm certain other individuals. (Unfortunate, malicious and petty though that is.) Blogging is it's own risk, and you deal with that your own way. You do however expect a much higher standard from a business.

This makes me rethink the security of Eden in general if they have ever had such procedures. Including credit card usage. I'm just not impressed.

The point is very real. The forums, the review of sex toys, etc... can actually cause some of us to risk our jobs. I had come to feel very secure here recently.

What I have not seen is exactly what type of information was on that document. I think an example needs to be published that is now clean. Otherwise assumptions are being made.
11/20/2008
Contributor: Snappy Snappy
The documents should have been password protected. Why was security neglected this way?
11/20/2008
Contributor: Betty Rocket Betty Rocket
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Originally posted by Dragon
Five minutes ago was the first I heard of this problem. This post by Victoria is one of the most reasonable on the thread. I am, too, still trying to track and understand most of the situation.

1. The moment that Eden found out about the ... more
For certain-this is the absolute truth--

The REAL names, home addresses, phone numbers, and URL of any blogger that was part of the outside review program was on this document.

An employee of eden accidentally clicked the hyperlinks on the document....opening up as a traceable and clickable link on the internet.

An error. But it is being handled poorly. Especially since they knew about it since last night, and made no notifications to anyone until one of us posted about it

Then they compound the error by posting a forum post, inviting scrutiny, and failing to notify the individuals who were affected.

I feel awful for Victoria, and hope she can get past this mess
11/20/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
Betty wrote: "This utter irresponsibility with the private information of the people you depend on to sell your products is HORRIFIC."

I really understand your concerns, but let's put things in perspective a ... more
You're kidding. An article from 2006? That's not the point. I EXPECT a business that I work with to pay attention to security. When mistakes happen, everyone here expects an adequate follow up. In my mind, EF did not do EVERYTHING they could to keep things private. (I forgive an individual for making mistakes), but I read AAG's probably account of how this screw up happened and it's pretty straightforward if she's right.

There's already security information out there about Google Calendar. Anyway with any brains should know that Google links everything, and there would be a damn good chance of security leaks with anything else.

I'm sorry Eden. This entire even screams "Too cheap to do actually pay attention to security."
11/20/2008
Contributor: Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme) Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
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Originally posted by Dragon
You're kidding. An article from 2006? That's not the point. I EXPECT a business that I work with to pay attention to security. When mistakes happen, everyone here expects an adequate follow up. In my mind, EF did not do EVERYTHING they ... more
Er... The point of my 'useless' articles was to point out that I'd 'expect' a government or military force to pay attention to security as well. Screw ups happen.

Personally, I'd rather Eden Fantasies wait, what, six/ten hours before emailing everybody in a panic so they at least they know: 1. Who is affected, 2. What happened, 3. What their response should be.

And as for people getting on their high horse about google docs etc. The reason I linked to those articles is to illustrate that, HELLO, big companies/organization s/governments/armies are just as clueless about such things, so you can have whatever EXPECTATIONS you want, but that doesn't mean they're anywhere near reality.
11/20/2008
Contributor: Snappy Snappy
So it was unrealistic for us to expect Eden to guard our privacy by protecting our personal information?
11/20/2008
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Snappy
So it was unrealistic for us to expect Eden to guard our privacy by protecting our personal information?
Just my $.02. It's not unrealistic to expect EF to guard our privacy. However, it is realistic that mistakes happen.



Now, this is a huge mistake. As several people have mentioned, there were many ways to get around using a file open to everyone on the internet. Whether it be a simple password protection, using a thumb drive or even uploading it to the EF servers and only allowing specific access. As someone who has owned several websites, none of them the magnitude of EF I feel this is a horrible lapse in judgment. I would like to think my amateur self would be above it but, the truth is, accidents happen. So I see where Red Roulette is coming from.

On the other hand, this is a potentially costly accident. I might only be a little embarrassed if such information were released to the world at large but some could stand to lose their jobs and reputations. That is a serious implication. Furthermore, for such delicate information to be released by a company which strives to be respectable and trustworthy, I cannot help but wonder if my credit card information is really safe.

Regardless, the error has been committed. What we need now is action from EF and from what I've seen, the team is trying hard to do that. I do not doubt this has been a very stressful weekend for Victoria. I also do not doubt that she has been genuine with her concern.

I do doubt that posting on the forums was the best way to handle this. At the very least, an e-mail should have gone out.
11/20/2008
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Just my $.02. It's not unrealistic to expect EF to guard our privacy. However, it is realistic that mistakes happen.



Now, this is a huge mistake. As several people have mentioned, there were many ways to get around using a file ... more
Why don't I finish my reply before clicking "post."

I also think it took EF some time to admit to this. I knew about this last night when blog posts were going out. I headed to the internet to see if I could find any of my legal information linked with this identity and found none. I didn't even known if I was on the list but it was something which worried me greatly, and I have much less to lose than some.

While EF could have done more and faster to admit this issue, I commend that they did anything at all. Too often a company would cover up this mistake rather than be honest. In that light, I think Victoria and the rest of the EF team are doing what they can to deal with a very touchy and difficult situation. This does give me hope that EF in the future will be more mindful and not make this mistakes.

I'm sure many of us know some of the issues EF has been having with individuals in the sex community and I could easily add this to the list and call it quits. However, I would like to continue working with what has proven to be one of the more sex positive communities on the internet. Thus, I will give them the chance to regain my trust and I'm sure EF knows that reparations must be made with many and the near future will be pretty rocky.
11/20/2008
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
I would also like to add that while I was impressed by EF posting about this at all, I was disappointed that they hid the gravity of the information which was on that document.
11/20/2008
Contributor: Snappy Snappy
Just two more cents on the new Eden Fantasys staff and their role in this situation: I feel so sorry for you! You have inherited someone else's legacy and are stuck cleaning up their messes. Please don't take our opinions on the situation personally. It's not about you.
11/20/2008
Contributor: Epiphora Epiphora
I agree with posters who say EVERYONE should get an email about this. This is a company issue, not just an issue with specific bloggers. I am still waiting for some sort of apology or explanation as to why the original forum post did not mention that the document had REAL NAMES and ADDRESSES on it. I am also still waiting for an actual explanation as to how this occurred! Was it password-protected but somehow a URL with a username/password embedded in it exists? Or was it not password-protected at all?
11/21/2008
Contributor: Backseat Boohoo Backseat Boohoo
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Originally posted by Epiphora
I agree with posters who say EVERYONE should get an email about this. This is a company issue, not just an issue with specific bloggers. I am still waiting for some sort of apology or explanation as to why the original forum post did not mention that ... more
Exactly. I, personally, was stunned when I logged in to EF today and found this in the forum. What if users didn't check EF or the forum as much as I did? This is an issue people should be universally informed about.

I understand that it was a mistake--a HUGE mistake--and I hope EF can learn from this and use private, password protected servers and apps for their documents in the future.
11/21/2008
Contributor: Dangerous Lilly Dangerous Lilly
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Originally posted by Epiphora
I agree with posters who say EVERYONE should get an email about this. This is a company issue, not just an issue with specific bloggers. I am still waiting for some sort of apology or explanation as to why the original forum post did not mention that ... more
I just wanted to say that the username and password could not have been embedded. It's a simple document, not a complex program. UN/PW are a result of a cookie.

Therefore, it wasn't protected.

I was already unhappy with Eden for reviewing - I currently review now for 4 resellers and 2 manufacturers...and I have about a half dozen reasons aside from this as to why I won't review for Eden, a hald dozen reasons why all these other companies are better to affiliate with. This was just the icing and the final catalyst to my departure.
11/21/2008
Contributor: ~Storm ~Storm
What just floors me is that if I hadn't been reading different blogs last night, I wouldn't have known about this at all. EF should have sent an email out to us, not posted it here in a forum. So now I ask that my personal information be removed, and I have no idea if it really will be or not. Google docs is a stupid way to keep personal information. Lesson learned is that anything on the internet can be traced back, including blogs. But we all take care to keep our personal information protected, and the responsibility for this falls squarely on each of us with the stuff WE put out there. But we also trust in a company to protect our information.

If something I put out there is leaked or found out, then that's my problem. I know this. I am not so worried about my job, although it's high profile, because they'll turn their heads and the reality is I doubt anyone at my company would be that interested, but it is readers who are a little "too friendly" and try to meet me, or ask me what area I live in etc. that disturbs me.

Above all, NOT getting an email with an explanation, but rather just a forum post, disturbs me the most.
11/21/2008
Contributor: Ansley Agnello Ansley Agnello
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Originally posted by Victoria
I'm working late tonight, largely in part to this situation, and want to clear a few things up - as our new PR person has left for the night...
We immediately met and discussed this situation this morning. We then responded in many ways - ... more
Maybe I was too harsh. I guess I won't be resigning. But, still. This IS a BIG deal.
11/21/2008
Contributor: Victoria Victoria
Final follow up: This comes from the top. First, to reassure you, I am again stressing that no financial data was on that sheet. What was on the sheet were screen names, email addresses, some mailing addresses and some names. Not every field was filled in for every person. There were about 60 names total on the list. This document was created by employees who are no longer with the company. We have now determined that the document was only public for about 10 minutes. EVERY ONE ON THE LIST HAS BEEN CONTACTED.

We are closing the threads pertaining to this matter as it is now has been contained and fully resolved. We’ve maintained integrity in not deleting or editing any of the critical posts that our forums host. We went completely public with this and are being accountable. All of you have a voice in this community and your opinions are valuable to us. We have considered all of your feedback. We are concerned by the amount of fighting between members on the forum and feel that this situation has become a springboard for ill will amongst you. Each of you has the right to make your own decisions regarding your reaction and those decisions should be treated respectfully by all. I hope you understand that we are doing what feel is best for the community.
11/21/2008