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Contributor: underHim underHim
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She is stunning! Probably looks better than most born a woman!Certainly looks more feminine than I do!
03/29/2012
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Contributor: spunkmonkey spunkmonkey
Maybe so. But "she" broke the rules and lied about it. Should that just be ignored?
03/29/2012
Contributor: blixa blixa
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Originally posted by spunkmonkey
Maybe so. But "she" broke the rules and lied about it. Should that just be ignored?
"She" is a woman. No scare-quotes about it. If you're referring to reconstructive surgery/plastic surgery/etc. -- if every contestant who ever underwent any form of reconstructive or cosmetic surgery was disqualified from pageantry, I have the feeling we'd have a pretty small pool of contestants. (And if you're going on the "but trans women are really men" theory, you're not going to get a lot of mileage on a subsection of EdenFantasys forums mostly populated with transgender people and the people in relationships with them.)
03/29/2012
Contributor: Petite Valentine Petite Valentine
"While Miss Universe Canada’s rules do not mention sex changes or cosmetic surgery...they do state that each contestant must be a “naturally born female.”"

She violated one of the rules, I don't think they had much choice but to kick her out.
03/29/2012
Contributor: underHim underHim
Maybe she truly considers herself a naturally born female. She may not have considered that a lie when she put it in the form.
03/30/2012
Contributor: MasonM MasonM
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Originally posted by underHim
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She is stunning! Probably looks better than most born a woman!Certainly looks more feminine than I do!
The rules are pretty explicit with the 'naturally born female' thing. I don't feel that the rule should be on the list of rules at all, though.

One the legal sense...yes. She broke a rule and should be removed.

On the moral sense, however? No. She's a woman and deserves to be able to compete.
03/30/2012
Contributor: TheParrishism TheParrishism
They have taken back the ruling on this and she will be allowed to compete. Just thought I would update people because it changes the discussion a bit.
04/04/2012
Contributor: unfulfilled unfulfilled
I hadn't heard they had changed the ruling. I knew there was a big article on it about not allowing her to compete. Thanks for the update.
04/04/2012
Contributor: Positwist Positwist
Wow, good news. Thanks for the update.

From the Vancouver Sun:

"Jenna Talackova . . . holds legal documents — including a passport, birth certificate and driver's licence — affirming her identity as a woman . . .

'As long as she meets the standards of legal gender recognition requirements of Canada, which we understand that she does, Jenna Talackova is free to compete in the 2012 Miss Universe Canada pageant' said Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump and executive vice president of his business group."
04/04/2012
Contributor: underHim underHim
YAY she is beautiful. Good luck to her!
04/04/2012
Contributor: nori nori
It breaks my heart they disqualified her. i was so so SO rooting for her.
04/04/2012
Contributor: underHim underHim
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Originally posted by nori
It breaks my heart they disqualified her. i was so so SO rooting for her.
They let her back in apparently!
04/04/2012
Contributor: Stinkytofu10 Stinkytofu10
"While Miss Universe Canada’s rules do not mention sex changes or cosmetic surgery, as the Change.org petition points out, they do state that each contestant must be a 'naturally born female.'"

I wonder if the brain is "natural" or the body is more "natural". Hehe.

Even if they let her back, it's very unlikely she will win. That's the way society is.
04/05/2012
Contributor: PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
Yay I am glad they changed the ruling as well.
04/05/2012
Contributor: P3ngu1n78 P3ngu1n78
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Originally posted by Petite Valentine
"While Miss Universe Canada’s rules do not mention sex changes or cosmetic surgery...they do state that each contestant must be a “naturally born female.”"

She violated one of the rules, I don't think they had much choice but to ... more
She was naturally born female. She was naturally born a female with a penis.
04/06/2012
Contributor: catsin catsin
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Originally posted by P3ngu1n78
She was naturally born female. She was naturally born a female with a penis.
As I understand it, sex is female/male, gender is woman/man.
So... as female indicates sex, she was born male, but a woman.

^ this is from a few resources I've received. Please share if you have others with information otherwise.

I don't dispute that the rule is entirely unnecessary and offensive; I'm very glad that she was readmitted into the pageant.
04/06/2012
Contributor: TheParrishism TheParrishism
Hopefully this will help add to some positive trans images in the media.
04/21/2012
Contributor: sodapin sodapin
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Originally posted by catsin
As I understand it, sex is female/male, gender is woman/man.
So... as female indicates sex, she was born male, but a woman.

^ this is from a few resources I've received. Please share if you have others with information ... more
To some, the word "sex" may refer to a variety of things including genitals, chromosomes, dominant sex hormone in the body, etc. Therefore, the terminology is pretty problematic D:.
04/23/2012
Contributor: Woman China Woman China
I see this years pageant being the most watched of all the pageants of the past ten years or so.
04/23/2012
Contributor: eroticmutt eroticmutt
She did not break the rules. The rules say you need to be female, NOT that you need to have been born with a vagina
04/23/2012
Contributor: Rhiulan Rhiulan
I was actually watching an interview with her with my conservative mother and I was actually pretty shocked because my mom wasnt saying rude things about her and was genuinely interested. Perhaps there's hope for me yet and this woman's bravery has helped to instill some bravery in myself.
04/29/2012