pro 2nd amendment or not? Like current regulations?
Your take on guns?
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I don't have guns and don't intend to get any. I'm more interested in knives and swords myself.
I think people should be able to have guns and other weapons but I don't see why anyone need weapons that can cause a lot of destruction at once. Like, is that really necessary? If someone needs something like that to go hunting they must not be a very good shot...
I think people should be able to have guns and other weapons but I don't see why anyone need weapons that can cause a lot of destruction at once. Like, is that really necessary? If someone needs something like that to go hunting they must not be a very good shot...
01/27/2013
Yeah, I don't see the point in, well, machine guns. Unnecessary.
01/27/2013
I love my guns! We have many many guns in my house.
01/27/2013
dont like guns, i dont understand them
01/27/2013
Don't have a gun but wouldn't object learning about them. Understanding a gun is easy, point, shoot and damage results. People now, that's what's difficult to understand and why they use them to hurt others. War is different, I'm not talking about being in the service and can't speak to that since I never have been. I'm assuming we're talking the private sector here.
01/27/2013
I voted that I LOVE my gun, but it's not to that extent. I feel that I have the right to own them and have gone through the proper courses to have the ability to conceal and carry them. That's my right. Period.
01/27/2013
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First, it isn't against the second ammendment or even anti-gun to support gun control. No one is saying that all guns need to be banned. People are calling for logical restrictions on guns that have worked in every country they've ever been placed in. There is no reason any legitimate gun owner should object to background checks or licences for guns. The only people who can complain about that is people with something to hide. Secondly there is no use for a citizen to have an AR15. It isn't a gun for hunting, it isn't a gun for home defense. Its a military weapon designed to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible.
Originally posted by
"G"
pro 2nd amendment or not? Like current regulations?
I hate hearing people say "but criminals will just get guns anyway" but while that is true 86% of crimes are committed with handguns which are not what people are talking about restricted. Also less than 30% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally and most of those are stolen or sold to criminals by legal gun owners. Very few guns in this country are actually imported and sold on the black market.
I don't like guns, but I do understand them. I understand the laws regarding them and the laws that have been put into place in other countries regarding them.
01/27/2013
Not a fan of them
01/27/2013
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Do you have any idea how deeply involved the United States government is when it comes to the black market and firearms?
Originally posted by
RavenInChains
First, it isn't against the second ammendment or even anti-gun to support gun control. No one is saying that all guns need to be banned. People are calling for logical restrictions on guns that have worked in every country they've ever been
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First, it isn't against the second ammendment or even anti-gun to support gun control. No one is saying that all guns need to be banned. People are calling for logical restrictions on guns that have worked in every country they've ever been placed in. There is no reason any legitimate gun owner should object to background checks or licences for guns. The only people who can complain about that is people with something to hide. Secondly there is no use for a citizen to have an AR15. It isn't a gun for hunting, it isn't a gun for home defense. Its a military weapon designed to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible.
I hate hearing people say "but criminals will just get guns anyway" but while that is true 86% of crimes are committed with handguns which are not what people are talking about restricted. Also less than 30% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally and most of those are stolen or sold to criminals by legal gun owners. Very few guns in this country are actually imported and sold on the black market.
I don't like guns, but I do understand them. I understand the laws regarding them and the laws that have been put into place in other countries regarding them. less
I hate hearing people say "but criminals will just get guns anyway" but while that is true 86% of crimes are committed with handguns which are not what people are talking about restricted. Also less than 30% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally and most of those are stolen or sold to criminals by legal gun owners. Very few guns in this country are actually imported and sold on the black market.
I don't like guns, but I do understand them. I understand the laws regarding them and the laws that have been put into place in other countries regarding them. less
01/27/2013
I used to be afraid of guns until my army friend took me to a gun range and I got to practice and learn more about them.
01/27/2013
I don't have any guns. I'm not into them. People who fill their basement with guns kind of weird me out, to be honest.
01/27/2013
i personally don't hunt, but we have a few old family guns. bad things happen to good people. crazy people do things that hurt many. it is a tragedy. but taking away guns only gives the criminals an upper hand. and if you think the mexico drug trade is bad, wait until they are supplying American's with guns. oy vey.
it's a deep and heated topic i know. but that is my thoughts on it.
it's a deep and heated topic i know. but that is my thoughts on it.
01/27/2013
Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens will only make it EASIER for criminals to harm others.
Let's face it; violence, theft, rape and murder happens EVERY DAY in Chicago, and THEY have some pretty strict gun laws!
To think that people actually believe that taking away our guns will stop crime and murder are sadly mistaken and are going about it ALL WRONG!
Let's face it; violence, theft, rape and murder happens EVERY DAY in Chicago, and THEY have some pretty strict gun laws!
To think that people actually believe that taking away our guns will stop crime and murder are sadly mistaken and are going about it ALL WRONG!
01/27/2013
"Pry my cold, dead hands off my guns!!!"
My great great great great grandfather helped draft the constitution, and signed it--he died at Bunker Hill to save another man's life & many other relatives of mine helped form the colonies and the basis of each and every right!!! They died for our rights, and I am proud to have these rights.
Guns are a right given to the American people, who have not feloniously lost the right--and WILL stay that way. If 13 small colonies can beat the hell out of England for our freedom, the people who are proud of the right to bear arms can keep them.
Enough said, I am very opinionated and firm on our hard won freedom and rights as American citizens.
My great great great great grandfather helped draft the constitution, and signed it--he died at Bunker Hill to save another man's life & many other relatives of mine helped form the colonies and the basis of each and every right!!! They died for our rights, and I am proud to have these rights.
Guns are a right given to the American people, who have not feloniously lost the right--and WILL stay that way. If 13 small colonies can beat the hell out of England for our freedom, the people who are proud of the right to bear arms can keep them.
Enough said, I am very opinionated and firm on our hard won freedom and rights as American citizens.
01/27/2013
People who are for gun control don't understand the number of gun regulations on the books already. More regulations are not going to make anyone safer. Teaching people how to respect a weapon will make them safer. Keeping the mentally ill people away from firearms will keep people safer. regulations already keep people with mental problems from purchasing a firearm.
Countries that have banned guns or made it next to impossible to own a firearm are not any safer then this country. Yes, there are less gun murders, but there are also less guns. The problem is that innocent people are the ones getting hurt with no way to protect themselves. Look at Great Britain, right after they banned guns there violent crime rates went up over 300%. Look at Japan, a country that banned all firearms (the police don't even carry one); their suicide rates from firearms are higher then our murder and suicide rates combined. Australia is another one. Banned guns from all that cant prove they need one to protect their livestock from wild animals. People are no safer there.
Assault weapons are a term used for political reasons, mostly to scare those who do not own guns and/or are already scared by them. The DOD describes assault weapons as "a weapon designed for use by the military". Weapons sold to the public are not designed for use by our military, nor are they being carried by our military. The fed's banned the sale of military weapons to the public in 1934. It is next to impossible to purchase a assault weapon if you are not military or a fed. agent. Nor has any of these weapons sold to the public ever been used in a murder.
The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. It is about freedom. It fits right in with the 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. It is about the peoples freedom. It is a list of freedoms that the fed. government can not take away from you. It is a limit on their power. I know alot of people who are scared of guns and do not own one. That is their right. Just as it is my right to own one.
"40 years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great-Britain, the British parliament was advised...to disarm the people. That it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. ut that they should not do it openly; but to weaken the and let them sink gradually." George Mason, delegate to the constitutional convention, father of the bill of rights.
"A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, U.S. President, signer or the constitution.
Countries that have banned guns or made it next to impossible to own a firearm are not any safer then this country. Yes, there are less gun murders, but there are also less guns. The problem is that innocent people are the ones getting hurt with no way to protect themselves. Look at Great Britain, right after they banned guns there violent crime rates went up over 300%. Look at Japan, a country that banned all firearms (the police don't even carry one); their suicide rates from firearms are higher then our murder and suicide rates combined. Australia is another one. Banned guns from all that cant prove they need one to protect their livestock from wild animals. People are no safer there.
Assault weapons are a term used for political reasons, mostly to scare those who do not own guns and/or are already scared by them. The DOD describes assault weapons as "a weapon designed for use by the military". Weapons sold to the public are not designed for use by our military, nor are they being carried by our military. The fed's banned the sale of military weapons to the public in 1934. It is next to impossible to purchase a assault weapon if you are not military or a fed. agent. Nor has any of these weapons sold to the public ever been used in a murder.
The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. It is about freedom. It fits right in with the 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. It is about the peoples freedom. It is a list of freedoms that the fed. government can not take away from you. It is a limit on their power. I know alot of people who are scared of guns and do not own one. That is their right. Just as it is my right to own one.
"40 years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great-Britain, the British parliament was advised...to disarm the people. That it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. ut that they should not do it openly; but to weaken the and let them sink gradually." George Mason, delegate to the constitutional convention, father of the bill of rights.
"A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, U.S. President, signer or the constitution.
01/27/2013
LOVE my guns and will never give them up
01/27/2013
I don't have any but my dad always had them mostly for hunting. I don't see the point in making everyone give there guns up since the criminals wont be.
01/27/2013
I would rather advocate weapons that DON'T destroy your opponent. Like, a taser that paralyzed or pepper spray that worked perfectly. If you shoot a home invader, they're dead, they're never going to pay for what they've done, and then it's on you. Taser them til they piss their pants, and you didn't have to deal with the moral dilemma of a dead body in your living room.
01/27/2013
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I agree. Many countries that have very tight gun laws still have high murder rates and drug problems. No one is safer. You can kill someone without a gun and you can kill a lot of people a lot easier without a gun (terrorist have proved that).
Originally posted by
married with children
People who are for gun control don't understand the number of gun regulations on the books already. More regulations are not going to make anyone safer. Teaching people how to respect a weapon will make them safer. Keeping the mentally ill
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People who are for gun control don't understand the number of gun regulations on the books already. More regulations are not going to make anyone safer. Teaching people how to respect a weapon will make them safer. Keeping the mentally ill people away from firearms will keep people safer. regulations already keep people with mental problems from purchasing a firearm.
Countries that have banned guns or made it next to impossible to own a firearm are not any safer then this country. Yes, there are less gun murders, but there are also less guns. The problem is that innocent people are the ones getting hurt with no way to protect themselves. Look at Great Britain, right after they banned guns there violent crime rates went up over 300%. Look at Japan, a country that banned all firearms (the police don't even carry one); their suicide rates from firearms are higher then our murder and suicide rates combined. Australia is another one. Banned guns from all that cant prove they need one to protect their livestock from wild animals. People are no safer there.
Assault weapons are a term used for political reasons, mostly to scare those who do not own guns and/or are already scared by them. The DOD describes assault weapons as "a weapon designed for use by the military". Weapons sold to the public are not designed for use by our military, nor are they being carried by our military. The fed's banned the sale of military weapons to the public in 1934. It is next to impossible to purchase a assault weapon if you are not military or a fed. agent. Nor has any of these weapons sold to the public ever been used in a murder.
The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. It is about freedom. It fits right in with the 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. It is about the peoples freedom. It is a list of freedoms that the fed. government can not take away from you. It is a limit on their power. I know alot of people who are scared of guns and do not own one. That is their right. Just as it is my right to own one.
"40 years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great-Britain, the British parliament was advised...to disarm the people. That it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. ut that they should not do it openly; but to weaken the and let them sink gradually." George Mason, delegate to the constitutional convention, father of the bill of rights.
"A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, U.S. President, signer or the constitution. less
Countries that have banned guns or made it next to impossible to own a firearm are not any safer then this country. Yes, there are less gun murders, but there are also less guns. The problem is that innocent people are the ones getting hurt with no way to protect themselves. Look at Great Britain, right after they banned guns there violent crime rates went up over 300%. Look at Japan, a country that banned all firearms (the police don't even carry one); their suicide rates from firearms are higher then our murder and suicide rates combined. Australia is another one. Banned guns from all that cant prove they need one to protect their livestock from wild animals. People are no safer there.
Assault weapons are a term used for political reasons, mostly to scare those who do not own guns and/or are already scared by them. The DOD describes assault weapons as "a weapon designed for use by the military". Weapons sold to the public are not designed for use by our military, nor are they being carried by our military. The fed's banned the sale of military weapons to the public in 1934. It is next to impossible to purchase a assault weapon if you are not military or a fed. agent. Nor has any of these weapons sold to the public ever been used in a murder.
The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. It is about freedom. It fits right in with the 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. It is about the peoples freedom. It is a list of freedoms that the fed. government can not take away from you. It is a limit on their power. I know alot of people who are scared of guns and do not own one. That is their right. Just as it is my right to own one.
"40 years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great-Britain, the British parliament was advised...to disarm the people. That it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. ut that they should not do it openly; but to weaken the and let them sink gradually." George Mason, delegate to the constitutional convention, father of the bill of rights.
"A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, U.S. President, signer or the constitution. less
But with Japan their suicide rates have nothing to do with their gun laws. Japanese police barely care about the country (and there aren't enough of them to handle the population) and there are many dirty cops there. Japan's suicide rate is very much based off the fact that if you dishonor (according to history) yourself (therefore shaming the family, friends, state, country, school, etc), you were pressured into killing yourself (doesn't matter how you do it). Honor and dishonor are still HUGE there and it's something that goes back thousands of years before guns were even thought of. If a huge company fails and many people lose their jobs, CEOs are pressured into killing themselves and when they don't it's considered a very dishonorable thing and WILL get you shunned by the public.
I personally think people who are fighting for tighter gun control laws are misunderstanding what they think this will do for the country. But I also think that people who are all like "GUNS ARE MINE AND MY RIGHT" are also misunderstanding. The US mostly wants high-powered assault riffles and "big guns" that we really don't need or that a person really shouldn't have out of the way. It likely wont have any effect on the guns a majority of the people already own.
But I'm still with a comedian who said they should just raise the price of bullets. Have your gun, but it's going to SERIOUSLY cost you to buy bullets. It's like buying cigarettes but lighters and matches are $50+. Would seriously have you re-think your habit or make sure that each bullet is worth it.
01/27/2013
Most people have no need for a gun, and the more guns that are floating around the more chances there are that one will land in the hands of someone who will use it for mischief.
01/27/2013
Gun laws do not help anything because criminals don't care about the law. Just look at Austrailia they banned almost all guns and bought them from citizens and now more people are murdered with guns than before.
01/27/2013
Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office
Read the text of the personal safety message from Sheriff Clarke: I’m Sheriff David Clarke, and I want to talk to you about something personal…your safety. It’s no longer a spectator sport; I need you in the game, but are you ready? With officers laid-off and furloughed, simply calling 9-1-1 and waiting is no longer your best option. You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back; but are you prepared? Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there. You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We’re partners now. Can I count on you?
Read the text of the personal safety message from Sheriff Clarke: I’m Sheriff David Clarke, and I want to talk to you about something personal…your safety. It’s no longer a spectator sport; I need you in the game, but are you ready? With officers laid-off and furloughed, simply calling 9-1-1 and waiting is no longer your best option. You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back; but are you prepared? Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there. You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We’re partners now. Can I count on you?
01/27/2013
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I respectfully disagree.
Originally posted by
Incendiaire
Most people have no need for a gun, and the more guns that are floating around the more chances there are that one will land in the hands of someone who will use it for mischief.
01/27/2013
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I disagree with you on Japan. I have spent a few years living there, and I have family that have lived there their whole life. I have seen it first hand. Not just read about it in a book. The suicide rates BY FIREARMS, are higher then our murder and suicide rates BY FIREARMS combined. If someone is going to kill themselves, they will do it regardless of the method. But for a country that has outlawed firearms, it is a sad fact that so many have found the firearms to kill themselves. Banning something will not make it somehow not exist. If that worked, then there would be no war on drugs. Guns have never been the problem. The way we treat each other, the respect that our parents have taught us to have for our fellow man, God, and our country is where the root of the problem exists.
Originally posted by
Bleu
I agree. Many countries that have very tight gun laws still have high murder rates and drug problems. No one is safer. You can kill someone without a gun and you can kill a lot of people a lot easier without a gun (terrorist have proved
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I agree. Many countries that have very tight gun laws still have high murder rates and drug problems. No one is safer. You can kill someone without a gun and you can kill a lot of people a lot easier without a gun (terrorist have proved that).
But with Japan their suicide rates have nothing to do with their gun laws. Japanese police barely care about the country (and there aren't enough of them to handle the population) and there are many dirty cops there. Japan's suicide rate is very much based off the fact that if you dishonor (according to history) yourself (therefore shaming the family, friends, state, country, school, etc), you were pressured into killing yourself (doesn't matter how you do it). Honor and dishonor are still HUGE there and it's something that goes back thousands of years before guns were even thought of. If a huge company fails and many people lose their jobs, CEOs are pressured into killing themselves and when they don't it's considered a very dishonorable thing and WILL get you shunned by the public.
I personally think people who are fighting for tighter gun control laws are misunderstanding what they think this will do for the country. But I also think that people who are all like "GUNS ARE MINE AND MY RIGHT" are also misunderstanding. The US mostly wants high-powered assault riffles and "big guns" that we really don't need or that a person really shouldn't have out of the way. It likely wont have any effect on the guns a majority of the people already own.
But I'm still with a comedian who said they should just raise the price of bullets. Have your gun, but it's going to SERIOUSLY cost you to buy bullets. It's like buying cigarettes but lighters and matches are $50+. Would seriously have you re-think your habit or make sure that each bullet is worth it. less
But with Japan their suicide rates have nothing to do with their gun laws. Japanese police barely care about the country (and there aren't enough of them to handle the population) and there are many dirty cops there. Japan's suicide rate is very much based off the fact that if you dishonor (according to history) yourself (therefore shaming the family, friends, state, country, school, etc), you were pressured into killing yourself (doesn't matter how you do it). Honor and dishonor are still HUGE there and it's something that goes back thousands of years before guns were even thought of. If a huge company fails and many people lose their jobs, CEOs are pressured into killing themselves and when they don't it's considered a very dishonorable thing and WILL get you shunned by the public.
I personally think people who are fighting for tighter gun control laws are misunderstanding what they think this will do for the country. But I also think that people who are all like "GUNS ARE MINE AND MY RIGHT" are also misunderstanding. The US mostly wants high-powered assault riffles and "big guns" that we really don't need or that a person really shouldn't have out of the way. It likely wont have any effect on the guns a majority of the people already own.
But I'm still with a comedian who said they should just raise the price of bullets. Have your gun, but it's going to SERIOUSLY cost you to buy bullets. It's like buying cigarettes but lighters and matches are $50+. Would seriously have you re-think your habit or make sure that each bullet is worth it. less
The gov. does not want high powered assault rifles and "big guns" banned. A .223 is not a "big gun" It is a pretty weak round. If you have read or seen the assault weapons ban that was introduced, it bans 100's of guns, guns that a majority of people own and use. IMO, no gun should be banned. They all work the same, they all do the same thing when the trigger is pulled, they are nothing but a tool. Banning one type or one design of firearm is like banning only red cars because by doing so you will reduce the number of speeders and accidents. Banning AR-15's wont make anyone safer. It is not the governments job to protect you, as per the SCOTUS as stated in a few rulings. It is your job to protect yourself. Which brings us back to the real reason why our forefathers included the 2nd amendment.
01/27/2013
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This is just silly, if someone knocks your door down with a gun do you really think your pepper spray or taser is gonna save your life? You have some learning to do
Originally posted by
Bethy Cassatt
I would rather advocate weapons that DON'T destroy your opponent. Like, a taser that paralyzed or pepper spray that worked perfectly. If you shoot a home invader, they're dead, they're never going to pay for what they've done, and
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I would rather advocate weapons that DON'T destroy your opponent. Like, a taser that paralyzed or pepper spray that worked perfectly. If you shoot a home invader, they're dead, they're never going to pay for what they've done, and then it's on you. Taser them til they piss their pants, and you didn't have to deal with the moral dilemma of a dead body in your living room.
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01/27/2013
Glad to see so many pro gun people on here! I have no problem with stricter restrictions on people to people gun sales and a more in depth background check. I do not however agree with any restrictions on weapons themselves. Let's remember a weapon is a tool, in the proper hands it is no more dangerous than any other tool. You say Ar-15's are weapons of war and that civilians shouldnt own them? Thats just silly! When it comes to defending myself, my family or others around me i want the best possible tool to do so with. Kind of like not bringing a knife to a gun fight. Lets not forget that it is the second amendment and citizens with guns that prevented the Japanese from invading the U.S. mainland in WWII. For any of you that would like to learn more about guns please feel free to send me a message or email and i will do I can to help educate you
01/27/2013
Another point, laws only affect law abiding citizens, NOT criminals! Any gun legislation will only disarm the good guys.
01/27/2013
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I dont think that there is a problem with the back ground checks. They are tougher then the ones I have to do to work in schools around kids, or to be a leader in the scouts. They have stopped the wrong people from purchasing firearms, for the most part. Some will always slip through. Sandy hook, he was stopped fro his purchase. The shooter at the mall here, those were not his guns. The state police do a wonderful job with conducting background checks. The fed's just want to control it all. I say leave it in the hands of the states. Thats the way our government is designed to work. Who knows what is best for a small town in your state? The fed's or your state?
Originally posted by
"G"
Glad to see so many pro gun people on here! I have no problem with stricter restrictions on people to people gun sales and a more in depth background check. I do not however agree with any restrictions on weapons themselves. Let's remember a
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Glad to see so many pro gun people on here! I have no problem with stricter restrictions on people to people gun sales and a more in depth background check. I do not however agree with any restrictions on weapons themselves. Let's remember a weapon is a tool, in the proper hands it is no more dangerous than any other tool. You say Ar-15's are weapons of war and that civilians shouldnt own them? Thats just silly! When it comes to defending myself, my family or others around me i want the best possible tool to do so with. Kind of like not bringing a knife to a gun fight. Lets not forget that it is the second amendment and citizens with guns that prevented the Japanese from invading the U.S. mainland in WWII. For any of you that would like to learn more about guns please feel free to send me a message or email and i will do I can to help educate you
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You are right about firearms being a tool. That is all they are. Nothing more, nothing less. Any tool can be used to commit a crime. Is it the tools fault? Or the one holding the tool? People who are against the 2nd amendment are scared of guns and do not understand that difference. And it is a shame.
01/27/2013
Don't like guns.
01/27/2013