anti "erotica" anti "erotica"

bunky bunky
This is a big soap-box issue for me. Censorship pisses me off. And is trying to shut down my voice. It's not going to happen without a fight. has forgotten it's roots.

Amazons, those women of the ancient world - strong, fierce warriors.

Today you might call them dykes. And the dykes are not happy. Don't mess with the Amazons. You won't survive to make a second mistake.

Amazon (USA, Canada, GB, Denmark and Japan as far as I know) has decided over the Easter weekend to alter how books can be found on their website.

Amazon, everyone's friendly neighborhood book-and-what-have-you site has decided to strip "Adult" works of literature of their popularity ranking. Now ... what does this have to do with the angers?

A book's popularity rating determines how readily it will display as a result for a typed in search on their site. Taking that rating right off of a book will pretty much remove it as an item that comes up when you try and search it.

MY big problem with this? They seem to be targeting Lesbian and Gay works of literature FAR, FAR more than they're targeting literature aimed at heterosexual audiences ... even erotica (ie ... Kama Sutra).

I copied this short list of some of the hetero-aimed titles that HAVEN'T been removed:

--Playboy: The Complete Centerfolds by Chronicle Books (pictures of over 600 naked women)
--Rosemary Rogers' Sweet Savage Love" (explicit heterosexual romance);
--Kathleen Woodiwiss' The Wolf and the Dove (explicit heterosexual romance);
--Bertrice Smal's Skye o'Malley which are all explicit heterosexual romances
--Alan Moore's Lost Girls (which is a very explicit sexual graphic novel)
and of course you can still buy a book on training fighting dogs or magazines that promote cock-fighting, even though they've received lots of requests to do so including from the HSUS and the ASPCA.

But those which are being cut?

Mostly Gay and Lesbian works, self-help and autobiographies, and of fiction and non-fiction. Not the least of which is Bastard Out of Carolina, a novel by Dorothy Allison - who taught at Columbia College while I was attending. A book, written by a lesbian author, yes - but does not deal with lesbian or gay issues - but rather, address child abuse.

So - thinks it's a good idea to wage war on the Gays? That just because they "mean well" with their right wing moral standard it's not considered censorship, but "protecting the children" or upholding some sort of social decency?

I don't know what their game is - but certainly isn't making any friends - and in a time when even the big business are going under and cutting back - losing the customers you DO have doesn't seem like good business sense to me. Losing the Gay's business is simply not a good idea. The Gay's (for the most part) still have disposable income. Think again, if you're going to be seeing any of it.

So right now - interlaced with this message, also is an opportunity for eden fantasies to supply the material is dropping for it's "adult" content". Not least of which, again, are self help books for parents to help connect with their gay, teen youth or young adult books (again, focused for GLBT audiences) with coming out stories or suicide prevention. Things related to sexuality - resources that should never be added to the burning fire.

And this is where I may come off as sounding like a hypocrite, but consider:

For your general needs that you might have traditionally gone to for, (books, dvds, music, electronics, etc) you may want to consider buying everything possible from small local stores.  Big corporations like Amazon take money away from family businesses and our communities.  We may think we're doing ourselves good by saving a few bucks at the cheap corporations with massive buying power, but when we choose to invest instead in our communities and our neighbors, we're investing in our own futures and making choices that will, in the long run, improve the quality of our lives by improving the places where we live. 

Shopping from a large corporation comes with great risk.  The larger they become, the fewer options we have.  When all our local book stores have been put out of business, from whom will we buy literature when the big corporations prove themselves bigots or polluters or exploiters or corrupt in so many possible ways? Most small book stores (or hardware store, or grocery store or skateboard shop, or craft store...) are not going to have every book you might want to buy, but they are often very willing to order anything you want.  That's my 2 cents, and that might be about all it's worth in this day of corporate greed and massive takeovers, but my hope is renewed every time my hard earned money becomes my neighbor's hard earned money rather than disappearing into some incomprehensible entity.

As it is, I feel eden fantasies is still a niche market, though I don't know where the money trail is headed, for the time being I feel like it is at least being put back into THIS community.

Again - eden fantasies - consider this YOUR oppertunity to pick up the erotic torch, where others have dropped it.
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bunky bunky
Originally posted by bunky
This is a big soap-box issue for me. Censorship pisses me off. And is trying to shut down my voice. It's not going to happen without a fight. has forgotten it's roots.

Amazons, those women of the ancient ...
I just received this email from, as has everyone and their pissed off dogs:


Thanks for contacting us. We recently discovered a glitch in our systems and it's being fixed.

Thanks again for contacting us. We hope to see you again soon.

To contact us about an unrelated issue, please visit the Help section of our web site.

Best regards,

Gokul P.
We're Building Earth's Most Customer-Centric Company[/i]


Now, here's my reply, because I just felt they deserved one - ESPECIALLY with that last line just ASKING for it:


I have called and written you regarding the recent change in your policy whereby works of a non-adult nature by or for gay audiences have been unlisted. I received an email telling me that this is due to a "computer glitch".

First of all, when does a computer "glitch" send smug, vaugely self-righteous replies to authors who inquire as to why their works have been stripped of their popularity ranking implying that you've decided to take a moral high road, and to make their "adult" works nearly impossible for the consumer to find?

In the age of the internet, twitter and facebook, you cannot leave a public relations crisis like this to fester over a weekend just because it would cost more to fix it due to labor laws over holidays.

Even if that's not the case, and this glitch just hasn't been cleared up by all the cracker-jack net techs Amazon can pay overtime to for the past 72 hours or so ... how about ONE person posts something, ANYTHING on the website itself saying that you're taking action, or even listening to/aware of how upset your customers are?

Glitch or not, all it would take is one public statement on your website assuring customers that you're aware of the controversy and taking measures to fix it to prevent what I'm sure you'll call an "overreaction" by the time the newspaper rolls tomorrow.

Regardless of the cause for this fiasco, glitch or pig-headed bigotry, I'm left highly unsatisfied with your response to a deeply offensive situation.

So where is it, Where's your actual response to this quandry? Where's anything as simple as a public notice on your website letting people know before they write and/or call you that this is indeed a glitch and not overt discrimination of the worst sort?

Or is it far too "adult" to take a pro-active stance about the potential demise of your corporation over a glitch in a day and age when even big businesses who respond swiftly to glitches that have nothing to do with an entire weekend of unlisting gay/lesbian media are going under?

Unless of course nothing IS being done, and you're just being honest with us.

Despite your email blaming all this on a glitch, I find your reaction to this situation dissapointing.

P.S. It's really too bad there's no "Mein Kampf" deletion glitch.[/i]
Stinkytofu10 Stinkytofu10
I regularly visit Amazon, but not for its adult books. I think I will take a look at that now, and see if policies have changed; I hope they have.
Errant Venture Errant Venture
Considering this hasn't been touched in the two years since, I'm presuming it really was a glitch. I'm all for helping out with the cause, but I felt this was a little over the top.
K101 K101
I've only been using amazon for books since 2 days ago when I got my Kindle. I was actually in a new tab on there looking for books and had come across your discussion!

I don't read adult material mostly because of so much extreme vulgarity or nudity, just not my taste. I do however, enjoy some erotica that doesn't include extreme brutal beatings or rape and stuff like that.

Although I rarely do read much of erotica and never buy it, I don't think it's OK that Amazon is targeting gays! If that's really going on... If they're going to remove the type of adult materials there then they need to remove it ALL, NOT just gay. That's incredibly stupid and ridiculous. It kind of sends the message that the porn and playboy crap -like you mentioned them still having - is OK ,but the gay writings, art and such is not! How nasty of Amazon.

Honestly, I'd MUCH prefer reading some of the gay works like biographies than any porno or erotica, hetero or not! Hell, at least bios and art is educational and not filthy! If they consider the works of gays "adult material" then they should consider the porn MUCH worse!

How disappointing!
Errant Venture Errant Venture
They haven't removed any gay or lesbian books. To date, there are 2,477 books in that category, under erotic fiction books. Nor have they removed any books written by gay or lesbian authors.
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