So we have had yet another tragady where innocent people have been shot and killed in a public place. Does an event like the one in the Colorado movie theater make you more in favor of gun regulations? What do you think would make us safer?
Do recent events shape your thoughts on gun control?
07/20/2012
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Nope. I just replied to another thread that I don't believe in gun control. It just puts guns in the hands of the black market. That would just be worse in my opinion.
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who don't value other people's lives. I really don't know what can be done about that. If I did I'd be running for office. If someone doesn't see the value in not killing someone, what possible law would change that person's mind?
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who don't value other people's lives. I really don't know what can be done about that. If I did I'd be running for office. If someone doesn't see the value in not killing someone, what possible law would change that person's mind?
07/20/2012
I just don't think that the public should have access to assault weapons. Yes, I know someone can kill someone with a shot gun too but I just feel only certain types should be available.
07/21/2012
I believe that stronger gun controls won't help. I say leave it as is all these people are all about gun controls, have you thought that even with stronger gun controls they could still get a gun?! People buy them off others all the time you don't have to go to a gun shop to buy one. A lot of people who commit crimes buy them from someone they know or from a person who isn't a gun shop so they don't have to have a background check done. Guns don't kill people morons with guns kill people
07/21/2012
If we try to become more strict on gun control, the only people who will end up with guns are the criminals (kind of a scary thought)! Unfortunately, the current generation and the up and coming generations have less respect for authority (Hmmm, could it be that they aren't scared of teachers because they no longer have the right to paddle a child who is misbehaving? Could it be that when they do get in trouble, whether that be in school or at home, the parents don't discipline their children because it is no longer "socially acceptable"?) Could it be that we rarely give the death penalty any more and therefore people who already feel like their lives are miserable really have nothing to lose?
All I know is that 50 years ago, you didn't hear about multiple cases of people eating other people within a weeks time on the news. You rarely heard about people going into schools, theaters, businesses, etc. randomly shooting people or setting up bombs. We have become so tolerant of everything that nothing anymore seems like it is off limits or morally wrong :/ My heart goes out to all of those that have been affected by the crazy people that are in our society today!
All I know is that 50 years ago, you didn't hear about multiple cases of people eating other people within a weeks time on the news. You rarely heard about people going into schools, theaters, businesses, etc. randomly shooting people or setting up bombs. We have become so tolerant of everything that nothing anymore seems like it is off limits or morally wrong :/ My heart goes out to all of those that have been affected by the crazy people that are in our society today!
07/21/2012
Career criminals will always have access to dangerous weapons, and no laws will ever change that. In fact, strict gun control laws run the danger of strengthening criminal organizations by providing a popular product for the black market.
That said, these spree killers almost always obtain their guns legally. Powerful multi-round assault weapons are not necessary for self defense or hunting, and in my opinion don't belong in the hands of the general public. Those who wrote our constitution never envisioned guns capable of shooting seventy people in a matter of seconds. They did envision a world where enough people freely carried arms that if a bad guy got up to something, a citizen would be prepared to take care of the situation. Something needs to be done to honor the spirit of that original thought.
And if these guns can't be banned outright, then perhaps people need to sign away a little of their personal privacy in order to get them. I'm a big defender of personal privacy and other civil rights, but this isn't about sex toys or fanfiction or freedom of expression, it's about saving lives. And not an invasive yet simultaneously ineffective token effort at life-saving, like tormenting airplane passengers with assault-like pat downs when they are forced to travel or lose their livelihoods. Owning an AK-47 is always a choice, not a necessity. Those who need such things in their line of work have already passed psych tests and background checks, because they work for the FBI or the ATF.
That said, these spree killers almost always obtain their guns legally. Powerful multi-round assault weapons are not necessary for self defense or hunting, and in my opinion don't belong in the hands of the general public. Those who wrote our constitution never envisioned guns capable of shooting seventy people in a matter of seconds. They did envision a world where enough people freely carried arms that if a bad guy got up to something, a citizen would be prepared to take care of the situation. Something needs to be done to honor the spirit of that original thought.
And if these guns can't be banned outright, then perhaps people need to sign away a little of their personal privacy in order to get them. I'm a big defender of personal privacy and other civil rights, but this isn't about sex toys or fanfiction or freedom of expression, it's about saving lives. And not an invasive yet simultaneously ineffective token effort at life-saving, like tormenting airplane passengers with assault-like pat downs when they are forced to travel or lose their livelihoods. Owning an AK-47 is always a choice, not a necessity. Those who need such things in their line of work have already passed psych tests and background checks, because they work for the FBI or the ATF.
07/21/2012
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I totally agree with this!
Originally posted by
- Kira -
Nope. I just replied to another thread that I don't believe in gun control. It just puts guns in the hands of the black market. That would just be worse in my opinion.
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who ... more
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who ... more
Nope. I just replied to another thread that I don't believe in gun control. It just puts guns in the hands of the black market. That would just be worse in my opinion.
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who don't value other people's lives. I really don't know what can be done about that. If I did I'd be running for office. If someone doesn't see the value in not killing someone, what possible law would change that person's mind? less
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who don't value other people's lives. I really don't know what can be done about that. If I did I'd be running for office. If someone doesn't see the value in not killing someone, what possible law would change that person's mind? less
07/21/2012
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You have summed up my opinion far more eloquently than I could. Thank you.
Originally posted by
ToyGeek
Career criminals will always have access to dangerous weapons, and no laws will ever change that. In fact, strict gun control laws run the danger of strengthening criminal organizations by providing a popular product for the black
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Career criminals will always have access to dangerous weapons, and no laws will ever change that. In fact, strict gun control laws run the danger of strengthening criminal organizations by providing a popular product for the black market.
That said, these spree killers almost always obtain their guns legally. Powerful multi-round assault weapons are not necessary for self defense or hunting, and in my opinion don't belong in the hands of the general public. Those who wrote our constitution never envisioned guns capable of shooting seventy people in a matter of seconds. They did envision a world where enough people freely carried arms that if a bad guy got up to something, a citizen would be prepared to take care of the situation. Something needs to be done to honor the spirit of that original thought.
And if these guns can't be banned outright, then perhaps people need to sign away a little of their personal privacy in order to get them. I'm a big defender of personal privacy and other civil rights, but this isn't about sex toys or fanfiction or freedom of expression, it's about saving lives. And not an invasive yet simultaneously ineffective token effort at life-saving, like tormenting airplane passengers with assault-like pat downs when they are forced to travel or lose their livelihoods. Owning an AK-47 is always a choice, not a necessity. Those who need such things in their line of work have already passed psych tests and background checks, because they work for the FBI or the ATF. less
That said, these spree killers almost always obtain their guns legally. Powerful multi-round assault weapons are not necessary for self defense or hunting, and in my opinion don't belong in the hands of the general public. Those who wrote our constitution never envisioned guns capable of shooting seventy people in a matter of seconds. They did envision a world where enough people freely carried arms that if a bad guy got up to something, a citizen would be prepared to take care of the situation. Something needs to be done to honor the spirit of that original thought.
And if these guns can't be banned outright, then perhaps people need to sign away a little of their personal privacy in order to get them. I'm a big defender of personal privacy and other civil rights, but this isn't about sex toys or fanfiction or freedom of expression, it's about saving lives. And not an invasive yet simultaneously ineffective token effort at life-saving, like tormenting airplane passengers with assault-like pat downs when they are forced to travel or lose their livelihoods. Owning an AK-47 is always a choice, not a necessity. Those who need such things in their line of work have already passed psych tests and background checks, because they work for the FBI or the ATF. less
07/21/2012
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I would have to agree! The Second Amendment is the Second Amendment; you can't change that. A gun doesn't kill, it is the person behind the gun. Just like a car; a car doesn't kill, it is the person driving the car. The lack of value for people's lives come from many sources.
Originally posted by
- Kira -
Nope. I just replied to another thread that I don't believe in gun control. It just puts guns in the hands of the black market. That would just be worse in my opinion.
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who ... more
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who ... more
Nope. I just replied to another thread that I don't believe in gun control. It just puts guns in the hands of the black market. That would just be worse in my opinion.
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who don't value other people's lives. I really don't know what can be done about that. If I did I'd be running for office. If someone doesn't see the value in not killing someone, what possible law would change that person's mind? less
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who don't value other people's lives. I really don't know what can be done about that. If I did I'd be running for office. If someone doesn't see the value in not killing someone, what possible law would change that person's mind? less
Start with Hollywood (movies) and what is on TV - the TRASH that we see on television shows on a constant daily basis; with all the violance and use of weapons, vulgar language, etc. etc. etc.
Another source is a lack of MORAL VALUES which needs to be taught by parents to their children. We are loosing the moral high ground in teaching the difference between what is right and wrong; a lack of attending church to feed our spirital needs; a lack of 'respect' for our fellow human being; and the paradigm in socially "progressive" issues inundating our society over the last 30 years.
It is a SIN thing; with GOD out of our lives!
07/21/2012
As a thinking citizen it seems to me that the black and white thinking that has characterized this issue in the past hasn't made us safer. Both sides have valid points. But what are the things we can all agree about? I certianly don't have any great answers, but I would hope that we can use moments of crisis to spur meaningful conversations.
07/22/2012
I am for stricter gun control laws. While this might increase the black market for guns, the fact is that person is now breaking a meaning we can arrest them BEFORE they actually use the gun. As for this idea that we can't change the second amendment? Um...we can. We repealed prohibition. Truth is, nothing about the constitution is actually in stone. I know someone personally who had a mental illness that led to them being detached from reality under high-stress situations and incredibly paranoid. They own a gun. That is not ok to me.
07/23/2012
How will more laws prevent criminals from breaking them? They obviously have no problem with breaking laws as is, so why would a couple more laws bother them?
This macro kind of sums up my feelings on the gun control debate: link
More laws do not equal more law abiding citizens. They equal more criminals.
This macro kind of sums up my feelings on the gun control debate: link
More laws do not equal more law abiding citizens. They equal more criminals.
07/25/2012
I grew up hearing "guns don't kill people, bad guys kill people" and "gun control laws are unconstitutional." But on the other hand do we have to make it so easy to buy semiautomatic guns and large quantities of amo? I find the amount of amunition that the gunman had more shocking than the number of guns he had! I do hope we have some legislation that limits the type of guns sold and the quantity and type of bullets availible while still allowing hand guns and hunting rifles. I think the safest path is in the middle.
07/25/2012
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I hate to break up your conservative everything was better back in the day rant but murder rates has been steadily going down for a while, in fact put aside the fallacy of misleading vividness and guess what violent crime rates are around where it they where 50 years ago. link
Originally posted by
AriaRN
If we try to become more strict on gun control, the only people who will end up with guns are the criminals (kind of a scary thought)! Unfortunately, the current generation and the up and coming generations have less respect for authority (Hmmm,
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If we try to become more strict on gun control, the only people who will end up with guns are the criminals (kind of a scary thought)! Unfortunately, the current generation and the up and coming generations have less respect for authority (Hmmm, could it be that they aren't scared of teachers because they no longer have the right to paddle a child who is misbehaving? Could it be that when they do get in trouble, whether that be in school or at home, the parents don't discipline their children because it is no longer "socially acceptable"?) Could it be that we rarely give the death penalty any more and therefore people who already feel like their lives are miserable really have nothing to lose?
All I know is that 50 years ago, you didn't hear about multiple cases of people eating other people within a weeks time on the news. You rarely heard about people going into schools, theaters, businesses, etc. randomly shooting people or setting up bombs. We have become so tolerant of everything that nothing anymore seems like it is off limits or morally wrong :/ My heart goes out to all of those that have been affected by the crazy people that are in our society today! less
All I know is that 50 years ago, you didn't hear about multiple cases of people eating other people within a weeks time on the news. You rarely heard about people going into schools, theaters, businesses, etc. randomly shooting people or setting up bombs. We have become so tolerant of everything that nothing anymore seems like it is off limits or morally wrong :/ My heart goes out to all of those that have been affected by the crazy people that are in our society today! less
Event like these don't track with overall rates crime rates, trying to make a commentary about society as a whole from this is wrong head. Society as whole may play a role in what how such unhinged people become mass murders but that doesn't by any evidence I have seen reflect the morals of society as whole, they are outliers.
This gunmen may not be a terrorist in the most literal since but instilling terror is exactly what he has accomplished. Our society is the most peaceful it been since before I was even born , I'm proud of that, and won't let some madman (and a 24 hour news cycle and opportunistic commentary) fill my heart with fear and lead me to believe other wise.
07/25/2012
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He bought large quantities of ammo online. What's your solution for that?
Originally posted by
Gracie
I grew up hearing "guns don't kill people, bad guys kill people" and "gun control laws are unconstitutional." But on the other hand do we have to make it so easy to buy semiautomatic guns and large quantities of amo? I find
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more
I grew up hearing "guns don't kill people, bad guys kill people" and "gun control laws are unconstitutional." But on the other hand do we have to make it so easy to buy semiautomatic guns and large quantities of amo? I find the amount of amunition that the gunman had more shocking than the number of guns he had! I do hope we have some legislation that limits the type of guns sold and the quantity and type of bullets availible while still allowing hand guns and hunting rifles. I think the safest path is in the middle.
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07/25/2012
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They don't change the way I feel, but the events make me mad.
Originally posted by
- Kira -
Nope. I just replied to another thread that I don't believe in gun control. It just puts guns in the hands of the black market. That would just be worse in my opinion.
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who ... more
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who ... more
Nope. I just replied to another thread that I don't believe in gun control. It just puts guns in the hands of the black market. That would just be worse in my opinion.
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who don't value other people's lives. I really don't know what can be done about that. If I did I'd be running for office. If someone doesn't see the value in not killing someone, what possible law would change that person's mind? less
The problem in my eyes is that there are too many people who don't value other people's lives. I really don't know what can be done about that. If I did I'd be running for office. If someone doesn't see the value in not killing someone, what possible law would change that person's mind? less
07/28/2012
I hate to hear about the pain that such senseless violence brings but I am 100% against any new gun laws!! Maybe we should have stricter punishment to people that commit violent acts against others. More gun laws will not stop violence. New laws don't fix old problems. Just for comparison look at the war on drugs, it's a joke! We have more and more drug laws but you can find illegal drugs anywhere you look. And the easiest ones to find are the worst ones.
07/29/2012
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