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What do you think about the Indiana ruling to allow the unlawful entry of Police officers into your home?

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Contributor: Sex'и'Violence Sex'и'Violence
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Recently, the Indiana Supreme court passed a ruling that would allow police officers the right to enter a home without the needing a warrant. To top this off, a County Sheriff in Lafayette said he was going to use the ruling to do random, house to house searches (doing so would be within his legal rights as a police officer under the new bill) within his county.

So what are your opinions on this ruling?
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Police should be allowed to enter if they see fit.
Gunsmoke , jc123 , I'mNotYourToy
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It's not a big deal. I'm not from Indiana.
This is a total breach of constitution! I can't believe they're doing this.
Sex'и'Violence , LennaKieran , Leila Eden , Jul!a , Dusk , wetone123 , tickle me pink , Rossie , El-Jaro , Alan & Michele , ZenaidaMacroura , Coralbell , CAKES , Lio , Carolinagirl08 , Airen Wolf , Howells , alliegator , zizfaye , darthkitt3n , married with children , Selective Sensualist , KnK , Bunnycups , Spring , Petite Valentine , namelesschaos , PiratePrincess , Misfit Momma , np702 , cburger , leatherlover , Pleasure Piratess , SiNn , Wild Orchid , newfoundlust , DexterStratton , l'amour , stlouisxxx , RonLee , M121212 , Eucaly , kelaaa33wish , Errant Venture , MarkShivr , ofackmird , AnyBariz , null , P'Gell , The Curious Couple , ac0313 , kokopelli , wa2cee , Ms. Spice , TheHardOne , Charlie Whiskey , oldhippy , DeliciousSurprise , Wildchild , emiliaa , Jenyana , geliebt , PurpleCat23 , Kallisto , bettle590 , Gone (LD29) , leanright69
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Total votes: 70
Poll is closed
05/20/2011
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Contributor: Leila Eden Leila Eden
This scares me! What if other states ruled the same way?!
05/20/2011
Contributor: Dusk Dusk
Wow, and I almost ended up in Indiana for grad school. Eek!
05/20/2011
Contributor: wetone123 wetone123
Leila, it really is scary. Count on it happening in EVERY state in the future. Our politicians are very ademant and are working very hard on making our country a police state, not unlike Nazi Germany. What happened to the land of the free and the home of the brave? Future generations of Americans will never know the freedoms that we have known, and it makes me so sad.
05/20/2011
Contributor: tickle me pink tickle me pink
It makes me glad I don't live in Indiana, but it's a scary thought that this could begin happening in other states as well. Absolutely ridiculous!
05/20/2011
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
Yeah, the Patriot Act was one of the worst, most fear inspired pieces of legislature to change this country in recent years. I'm sure this p.o.s Indiana law was inspired by it.
05/20/2011
Contributor: ZenaidaMacroura ZenaidaMacroura
Well shit! I LIVE in Indiana.
05/20/2011
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
To me it's just legalized home invasion, but it's no surprise. The trend seems to be that crimes are ok if you hold a high enough position or have enough money behind you. Like the way so many in the medical field are getting away with legalized sexual harassment, bankers with legalized loan-sharking, and insurance companies with legalized discrimination. The world's going to hell in a handbasket.
Considering that we lived in Indiana for several years though, Alan & I just count it as yet another item on the list of many dumbass laws and rulings they've passed there. It's a place where you're more apt to get in trouble for having too many yard sales in one summer than for beating up your neighbor. Talk about ass-backward.
05/20/2011
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
To me it's just legalized home invasion, but it's no surprise. The trend seems to be that crimes are ok if you hold a high enough position or have enough money behind you. Like the way so many in the medical field are getting away with ... more
Reminds me of a button I used to have:

"Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?"
05/20/2011
Contributor: ZenaidaMacroura ZenaidaMacroura
That first article says this brings Indiana laws in line with most other states'. Sounds like Indiana's not the first. I wonder which other states are doing this.

It also says that it makes it illegal to resist an officer who enters your home illegally, not that it's now legal for them to enter with no warrant. Of course, those basically end up being the same thing anyway. :/
05/20/2011
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
You know one thing that's really frightening about it is that people are caught impersonating police officers all of the time. Think of how many criminals will be able to use this to their advantage to get into peoples' homes.
05/20/2011
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Sex'и'Violence
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Recently, the Indiana Supreme court passed a ruling that would allow police officers the right to enter a home without the needing a warrant. To top this off, a County Sheriff in Lafayette said he was going to use the ruling ... more
This won't hold up in court...
05/20/2011
Contributor: alliegator alliegator
I don't know the details of this ruling, but it sounds like a bad thing. If police officers enter illegally (outside of already existing laws regarding warrants, emergency circumstances, pursuit, etc.), it seems reasonable to resist.
05/20/2011
Contributor: zizfaye zizfaye
This is terrible! I say leave us poor Hoosiers alone, we already have enough shit to deal with.
05/20/2011
Contributor: wetone123 wetone123
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
You know one thing that's really frightening about it is that people are caught impersonating police officers all of the time. Think of how many criminals will be able to use this to their advantage to get into peoples' homes.
Oh my. I didn't think of that. Ugh
05/21/2011
Contributor: wetone123 wetone123
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
This won't hold up in court...
Who thought just months ago that people and children would be being molested by the TSA?
05/21/2011
Contributor: KnK KnK
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Originally posted by Sex'и'Violence
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Recently, the Indiana Supreme court passed a ruling that would allow police officers the right to enter a home without the needing a warrant. To top this off, a County Sheriff in Lafayette said he was going to use the ruling ... more
WTF?!? So fucking glad that I don't live in Indiana. Fuck that bullshit
05/21/2011
Contributor: Bunnycups Bunnycups
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
You know one thing that's really frightening about it is that people are caught impersonating police officers all of the time. Think of how many criminals will be able to use this to their advantage to get into peoples' homes.
Yes!! Oh my goodness that is the first thing I thought of when I heard this. Just yesterday I was watching a program about actual murders and one of them was by someone pretending to be an officer. I've actually seen two shows where the murderer pretended to be law enforcement. Before opening the door to the police (or stepping out of the car if I'm pulled over) I will be calling the authorities to send backup just to verify that it is an actual officer and not a psycho killer. So yeah, them being allowed entry into your home for no damn reason at all is very scary.
05/21/2011
Contributor: Bunnycups Bunnycups
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Originally posted by wetone123
Who thought just months ago that people and children would be being molested by the TSA?
I know, right? *shakes head in disgust*
05/21/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
If you read the article carefully, this ruling is limited to cases of suspected domestic violence. This right gives the officers a chance to confirm that the spouse (usually a woman) is not be coerced into compliance with her husband/partner's demands.

This site is mostly women - I think the outrage is knee-jerk and not well thought out. As a tool to enhance the protection of vulnerable women, this ruling is a well thought out, measured response to limit violence.
05/21/2011
Contributor: namelesschaos namelesschaos
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Originally posted by Gunsmoke
If you read the article carefully, this ruling is limited to cases of suspected domestic violence. This right gives the officers a chance to confirm that the spouse (usually a woman) is not be coerced into compliance with her husband/partner's ... more
Which article did you read? Because the articles linked very specifically said it is NOT limited to cases of domestic violence:

From the second link:

"Justice Robert Rucker, a Gary native, and Justice Brent Dickson, a Hobart native, dissented from the ruling, saying the court's decision runs afoul of the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally -- that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said. "I disagree."

Rucker and Dickson suggested if the court had limited its permission for police entry to domestic violence situations they would have supported the ruling"

According to the article not only is is not limited to cases of domestic violence that it isn't is the bias for the dissent judge's dissent.

I agree if it is limited to domestic violence then it is acceptable however going just by what in the articles linked it's not.

P.S.: Any one have a link to an actual copy of the ruling, I don't trust mainstream media to report accurately. I can fully believe the ruling could be what Gunsmoke said and the article just messed it up that much.
05/21/2011
Contributor: PiratePrincess PiratePrincess
This isn't right at all. More problems will come of it now
05/21/2011
Contributor: Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
I am going to go with other, which is not an option, because in the case cited, I believe that the police probably DID have the right to enter, and it would have been lawful. If the wife had been in actual danger, or had been seriously harmed of course the husband would NOT want them to enter and have access to the wife.

On the other hand I do not believe that police should be allowed to enter peoples homes all willy nilly, THAT is a serious violation. And fortunately THAT was not the law which was changed. I know this law will cause serious problems, the way it is, because there are a ton of messed up power hungry cops out there. But in many cases, it will only be used to aid in them in their attempt to put away the fuck ups and hard criminals who all of us want to avoid because they make our neighbourhoods and the other places we frequent more dangerous. If there was a psycho down the street from you, and you were terrified, you would be pissed if they didn't do everything to catch them.
05/25/2011
Contributor: newfoundlust newfoundlust
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Originally posted by Sex'и'Violence
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Recently, the Indiana Supreme court passed a ruling that would allow police officers the right to enter a home without the needing a warrant. To top this off, a County Sheriff in Lafayette said he was going to use the ruling ... more
We are quickly losing our rights to privacy. Keep in mind that it is the "conservative" courts and legislature that keep creating decisions like this, the patriot act and others. It is no wonder that state legislatures keep getting more and more aggressive about restricting reproductive rights. They know now that the us supreme court is unlikely to reverse them as long as they don't absolutely outlaw contraception and abortion. We heading right back to 1950's mentality.
07/02/2011
Contributor: DexterStratton DexterStratton
Bullshit.
07/02/2011
Contributor: indiglo indiglo
That's scary! I live in Indiana! I don't think it sounds like a good idea at all, too easy to abuse, and as others have mentioned criminals who impersonate police would have an even easier time!
07/03/2011
Contributor: MaryExy MaryExy
I might be fine with them doing a search under reasonable suspicion, but random house checks is not cool...at all. Houses are places of privacy. I can understand a search being made when there's a 911 call, but that's veeeeeery far away from random checks. If someone came to my door in a police uniform saying they needed to search randomly, I'd be calling the police to confirm his badge number and ID; if he tried to get in my house before I was completely satisfied he was a police officer, I'd definitely lock him out, call 911, and hide. I wouldn't care if there was technically a law allowing police officers to do random searches.
07/03/2011
Contributor: stlouisxxx stlouisxxx
It is legal in Illinois if you have a current hunting license, the Natural Resources people are allowed entry to property supposedly to make sure the limits of game haven't been stretched.
07/03/2011
Contributor: RonLee RonLee
Certainly not a good precedent. The result will be many dead homeowners, who resist not knowing that it is law enforcement agents breaking into their homes.
The fourth amendment is now pretty much null and void.
07/03/2011
Contributor: RonLee RonLee
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
This won't hold up in court...
Sadly, it did hold up in court.
07/03/2011