XS Condom for 12 Year Old Boys? Ethical? Disturbing?

Contributor: the bedroom blogger the bedroom blogger
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Originally posted by Red Vinyl Kitty
While I do NOT like the idea of 12 year olds having sex, if they are *going* to have sex anyway regardless of my or anyone else's opinion, I want them to be protected.
Ditto. Times a million.
11/08/2010
Contributor: Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
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Originally posted by Red Vinyl Kitty
While I do NOT like the idea of 12 year olds having sex, if they are *going* to have sex anyway regardless of my or anyone else's opinion, I want them to be protected.
indeed.
11/08/2010
Contributor: RosesThorns RosesThorns
Honestly I put, Im in support and umm...wtf...because I am all for supporting safe sex...but at the same time...I really disagree with 12 year olds having sex
11/10/2010
Contributor: UnknownGirl UnknownGirl
If kids are going to be doing it, they might as well be protected. All the sex education in the world isn't going to completely stop kids from having sex. As bizarre as XS condoms my sounds, if it prevents kids from getting STDs and from getting pregnant, then I think it's a good idea.
12/01/2010
Contributor: KnK KnK
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Originally posted by kck
I think it'll just standardize that behavior and make kids think it's "okay" and "normal" to have sex at 12 years old. I think it's disturbing.
I agree that this might standardize sex at this age, which I think is a real concern. I do find this product a little disturbing, but if it can help prevent unprotected sex and teenage pregnancy, than I'm in support. The only problem I see is that people may not actually buy it, but by it's very existence it may condone behavior. Hmmm. Talk about catch-22s. :/
12/03/2010
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Andromeda
Sort of off-topic, but there's no way of saying those sixth grade girls got pregnant by sixth or even seventh grade boys. I read somewhere (wish I could find it) that most girls losing their virginity at that age are having sex with older boys. ... more
Not to mention that sexual abuse and rape, which usually goes unreported due to fear, is common in many areas. Some or even all of these girls could have gotten pregnant from adult men, which is a travesty and a crime.
12/03/2010
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by KnK
I agree that this might standardize sex at this age, which I think is a real concern. I do find this product a little disturbing, but if it can help prevent unprotected sex and teenage pregnancy, than I'm in support. The only problem I see is ... more
I see where you are coming from, but availability doesn't imply permission any more than providing education implies permission.

My guess is that boys this young having sex is a very small minority. Of course I "don't like" the idea, but it is nothing new, and certainly not a symptom of our society in any way. Egyptian Pharaohs were often fathers at 12 or younger, in the 1920s my own grandfather married my grandmother (who was already an unwed mother) when he was only 16 years old, nearly every wedding in Puritan America in the 1600s and early 1700s had a child born within 6 months or less of the wedding.

While I don't think that one needs to condone such behavior, what happens happens.

People will have sex whether protection is available or not, and providing protection from pregnancy and disease to both younger teens as well as men with smaller members IS a good idea.
12/03/2010
Contributor: darthkitt3n darthkitt3n
That's kind of weird, but I guess at least they are acknowledging it. Too, they may be useful for sex toys or men.
12/03/2010
Contributor: KnK KnK
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Originally posted by P'Gell
I see where you are coming from, but availability doesn't imply permission any more than providing education implies permission.

My guess is that boys this young having sex is a very small minority. Of course I "don't like" ... more
You make a fair point. I might be reading into it too deeply, but I feel if something is marketed specifically for 12 year-old-boys, that might only increase peer pressure for little boys and girls. Of course, I have no way of proving it, and I think that it is a good idea, but puberty is hard enough as it is. At that age they may not expect to have sex yet, but with a product for that age bracket, it might seem "expected," if that makes any sense. I'm aware that this might be a presumptuous statement.
12/03/2010
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
In the name of real-people stats, I asked my 19 year old sister about this.

She was 7 when she first learned about sex in general. When she was 8 or 9, her stepsister had gotten her to give her oral sex. At the age of 12, she began giving oral sex to (usually older) boys. At the age of 15 she began having sex.

She says in middle school, she knew a lot of kids who were already sexually active in some way or another. Usually, these kids were already web-camming with men online at the age of 13.

So, anyway... I think there's a real need to educate kids and for parents to be more involved with their children. There's a real disconnect with most everyone jacked into some sort of electronic device at an early age. Kids are often left to their own devices.
12/03/2010
Contributor: Misfit Momma Misfit Momma
My High School handed out condoms and we also have a teen clinic downtown that hands them out. I was 15 the first time I had sex, with a boy the same age as me. At the time we hung out with a few older men, as in late 20's and even one who was 40+. My group of friends were the sexually open, Gay Pride, live free, experiment, and smoke till you drop kind of folks. (Now that I'm an adult there is no way I'd want to hang out with 15 y/o's unless they were family so can't think of any good reason for why they did...I heard rumors later that the 40+ y/o was sleeping with the boys in our group)

Anyway, this one friend of ours was HIV+ and was very diligent about the importance of using condoms so thankfully we had plenty available and did use them. The problem was, even at 15, he was not big enough to keep the condom on properly. We often found that it had slipped off inside of me so the whole purpose of it was lost. A finger cot would definitely have not fit. I think these smaller condoms should be available everywhere. (Heck, even for some of the grown men I've been with!)
12/03/2010
Contributor: Bunnycups Bunnycups
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Originally posted by kck
I think so. I think that this makes it more convincing to have sex. Just like some kids believe everything they see on TV, some will believe that it's sold because it's okay (even standard or expected) that pre-teens have sex.

I think ... more
I agree with you 100%.
12/03/2010
Contributor: Victoria Victoria
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
The name is shitty but if it inspires sexually active young folks to BUY the damned things and USE them, then I'm all in favor, all the way around.

I'm not going to say I like the idea of preteens having sex but if they already are? ... more
Agree. exactly. And this isn't their MAIN marketing strategy - it is just an aside about the product.
12/03/2010
Contributor: MR Chickhabit MR Chickhabit
apparently the swiss have lots of sex, so much sex that they have to get a head start as early as twelve. If they are actually introducing a product line they must feel that they are going to at least break even and more than likely they will make a profit. This means that there is a market and if there is a market (regardless of how morals play in) then the product is necessary.

go swiss! protect yourselves no matter how inconvenient the morality of the decision may be.
12/03/2010
Contributor: Illusional Illusional
It's a bit finnicky.... and what the fuck...
12/03/2010
Contributor: PussyGalore PussyGalore
Biologically speaking, kids having sex at the age of twelve is really not that out of this world. Historically speaking, up until the late 1800's and early 1900's in some areas a boy becomes a man at 13. At this time he is groomed to care for the family business and to take a wife and usually married between the ages of 16-21 to a 13 or 14 year old girl or at least one who had begun menstruating. This whole 'wait until you're [of a certain age]' concept is relatively new in comparison to our history on this planet.

I really find it laughable that people are so willing to believe that society's opinion of sexual reproduction actually matters to anyone who is horny. It doesn't. It's instinct and there are case studies showing children as young as three masturbating.

I myself, like another commenter's sister, began exploration at a very young age. I'm no more scarred or a statistic for it.

I think this is an excellent idea and I am hoping that eventually people will get off their high horses and understand that horniness and sex trump society's expectations any day of the week. Better to be informed, protected and in control than a victim of irresponsibility.
12/03/2010
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by PussyGalore
Biologically speaking, kids having sex at the age of twelve is really not that out of this world. Historically speaking, up until the late 1800's and early 1900's in some areas a boy becomes a man at 13. At this time he is groomed to care for ... more
Exactly, people don't want to talk about it, but even infants masturbate. A friend of mine was distraught to find her 9 month old son, when we went in to get him up from nap, pulling on himself and laughing. She asked me, "What should I do?" I simply said, "Give him some privacy and let him finish."

One of my daughters found her clitoris at about 2 years old. She asked me, "What is that thing? You know, it's like a pea? You know, that thing....that you like?" I was stumped (thinking she was talking about a toy or something) I asked her to show me, so she did. All said was, "That's your clitoris (she already knew what her vagina was) It's there to give you one more way to feel good about yourself. You can touch it and play with it, but it's best saved for private time, and in your room or in the potty. It's probably best not to play with it at the park or at Gramma's or at the dinner table. But, it's yours, be gentle with it, love it and it will give you a world of happiness. When you find a person you love when you are older, you may share it with them, if you want." She said, "Oh. OK." And that, as they say, was that.

My Man still sometimes refers to my clit as "that thing that you like."
12/03/2010
Contributor: PussyGalore PussyGalore
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Exactly, people don't want to talk about it, but even infants masturbate. A friend of mine was distraught to find her 9 month old son, when we went in to get him up from nap, pulling on himself and laughing. She asked me, "What should I ... more
How very very awesome of you! I wish my parents had been that way. We didn't have the sex talk until after I had sex for the first time. If we don't acknowledge that sex is good and healthy, the only thing we will accomplish is a larger set of pre-teen/teen pregnancy and STI statistics to analyze.

I used to babysit a boy who would masturbate when he was in the bath, the only thing that made that situation difficult was the aspect of water and leaving him alone to finish would have been irresponsible on my part. I informed his father and he FREAKED and shamed the child. Shortly thereafter the child developed major behaviorial issues and began acting out towards other kids in his class by biting, slapping and kicking them.
12/03/2010
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by PussyGalore
How very very awesome of you! I wish my parents had been that way. We didn't have the sex talk until after I had sex for the first time. If we don't acknowledge that sex is good and healthy, the only thing we will accomplish is a larger set ... more
The poor baby. Of course, you did the absolute right thing by not leaving him in the bath. His father did the wrong thing by shaming him. No wonder he acted out, it's his penis!
12/03/2010
Contributor: PussyGalore PussyGalore
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Originally posted by P'Gell
The poor baby. Of course, you did the absolute right thing by not leaving him in the bath. His father did the wrong thing by shaming him. No wonder he acted out, it's his penis!
Exactly. Could you imagine how different the world would be if we trashed the puritanical laws and ideals of sex and relationships? I think we'd have a lot less frustrated, screwed up people running around who are a heck of a lot calmer in their day to day life.
12/03/2010
Contributor: Lady Neshamah Lady Neshamah
all that i can say is wow. i see both sides of this totally. so i really don't know on this at all.
12/10/2010
Contributor: Yoda Yoda
The fact that they named it "Hotshot" shows that there is something deeply wrong with this. I agree in promoting safe sex, but this is just rude.
12/23/2010
Contributor: Yoda Yoda
Is anyone else reminded of the "should little girls wear thongs?" discussion?
12/23/2010
Contributor: VieuxCarre VieuxCarre
I'm taking a human sexual behavior class and Europe is more open sexually with children and the population itself than America is. Most Americans may think that it's not right, it's wrong, not moral, etc. In all honesty, I'd buy my own kids condoms, whenever I have them, so that they are protected if and when they decide to have sex. I didn't wait to have sex, so why should I expect my kids to?

Honestly, manufacturing condoms for younger kids is a smart thing to do, but that's just me. I'd rather them be protected and know how to stay healthy and not spread disease and get a girl pregnant then not. Boys hit puberty around 12-14, so I think it's smart.

Then again, that's just me *shrug*
01/27/2011
Contributor: liilii080 liilii080
It makes me sad that 12 year olds would think they are responsible enough or ready to take that big step but clearly, they are doing it and need to have ways to protect themselves and their partners. Man kids grow up fast these days. I don't have kids yet but it makes me scared to think that these are the things they will face at such a young age.
01/27/2011
Contributor: markeagleone markeagleone
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
" A leading condom manufacturer in Switzerland has created extra-small condoms for boys as young as 12 years old, the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph reported.

The condom, called the Hotshot, was produced after family planning groups and the Swiss ... more
I don't like the name, but honestly, would you want to be the parent of a child who is having a baby at that age if you could have prevented it. To me, the only way of being sure is to keep them locked up until they are eighteen or prepare for your child to be sexually active before it happens. We have seat belts in cars, not because it could crash, but in case it does. Sometimes, a parent isn't able to reach thier children. I'm glad I have--so far( I have a 5 month old ).
01/27/2011
Contributor: markeagleone markeagleone
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Originally posted by kck
I think it'll just standardize that behavior and make kids think it's "okay" and "normal" to have sex at 12 years old. I think it's disturbing.
Realistically, kids do what they want now. Even good parents can't discipline thier kids out side of a talking to. Its a hell of a world. Parents can't discipline, but have to reason with them. Kids aren't allowed the rights of an adults because they don't have enough reasoning abilities. To me, kind of sounds like a paradox!!!!!
01/27/2011
Contributor: Josh aka FootMan Josh aka FootMan
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Originally posted by kck
I think it'll just standardize that behavior and make kids think it's "okay" and "normal" to have sex at 12 years old. I think it's disturbing.
Whether it standardizes this behavior or not shouldn't really matter. The point is, young kids are going to have sex, period. Might as well have some protection available that actually fits.

I lost my virginity at 12, didn't bother with a condom because it probably wouldn't have fit at the time.

Enough said?

I do, however, disagree with the naming of these rubbers. Seems a little - off for the age group.
01/27/2011
Contributor: markeagleone markeagleone
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
I'd be naive to think groups of people aren't having sex already, preteens to nursing homes. I hope they are using condoms all around, but specifically marketing...that's iffy to me. Then again, Sweden is a European country whose views ... more
Sex education is a joke. Parents get mad at teachers for telling them how it is and teachers get mad at parents for not doing thier job. Our government says you can't spank the kids, you have to reason with them. In the same breath, they say kids can't have adult rights because they are too young to have good reasoning faculties. When will the paradox ever stop? It's coming with all the unwanted babies that are being born and have a poor chance for a good life.
01/27/2011
Contributor: jfree jfree
Not the least bit bothered with it. I'm used to hearing stories about eleven and twelve year olds having sex with it, and I'd personally like to feel that they're having some sort of protection. Like a lot of people said, no, I don't want to imagine twelve-year-olds having sex, but it's better to go in with something than nothing.
02/15/2011