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Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Okay, I dont ever remember reading the answer to this question in this thread, but I'm not going to go back and reread all 17 pages...


What is the determining factor of how many points a review gets (what makes a review worth 400 ... more
Wait, I'm confused. (I have never applied for editing, but I have seen a number of supposedly edited reviews that had glaring errors.)

Are you saying the editor gets MORE points to go over a review than reviewers get to write them?

400 points? Even 250? When writing a review gains the actual writer only 50?
07/22/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Wait, I'm confused. (I have never applied for editing, but I have seen a number of supposedly edited reviews that had glaring errors.)

Are you saying the editor gets MORE points to go over a review than reviewers get to write ... more
Some reviews don't deserve more than 50 pts. I think the fear would be that if they offered more points for reviews, people would just publish reviews left and right and there would be even more for the editors to do.

They have to make it fair across the board for reviewers.
07/22/2011
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
Some reviews don't deserve more than 50 pts. I think the fear would be that if they offered more points for reviews, people would just publish reviews left and right and there would be even more for the editors to do.

They have to make ... more
I think it also has to do with incentive. A reviewer has other incentives to write reviews other than the 50 points such as increasing rank and free toys.

As an editor, there is no other incentive except for the points. An editor is basically a contracted job that pays with points as compensation. It does not affect rank as someone previously suggested. And yes the compensation is extremely generous in my opinion.

Something else I will mention is that mentors show up on the review as editors but do not get compensated as an editor. A mentor's compensation is completely separate. It is up to the individual mentor if they edit the students review. I know in the past mentors have felt it was not part of their responsibility to do so.
07/22/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
Quote:
Originally posted by Kindred
I think it also has to do with incentive. A reviewer has other incentives to write reviews other than the 50 points such as increasing rank and free toys.

As an editor, there is no other incentive except for the points. An editor is ... more
This is something that I have an issue with: editors getting compensated better than mentors when most mentors do more work with their students. We don't get compensated per review that we edit (and I think a lot of us do edit), the back and forth, the sometimes unappreciative attitude of the students, the teaching, etc. And not all of us take reviewers that are not Advanced, so we don't get the $25 gc.

Honestly, I don't mentor much anymore, so I guess it's not really a big deal for me anymore, but for some of the mentors who do put in a lot of time into their students, I would like to see this be more beneficial for them.
07/22/2011
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
This is something that I have an issue with: editors getting compensated better than mentors when most mentors do more work with their students. We don't get compensated per review that we edit (and I think a lot of us do edit), the back and ... more
Mentors get the $25 gift card and the 500 points
Editors get 50, 250, and 400 pts per.

I think it's still fair.
07/22/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
Mentors get the $25 gift card and the 500 points
Editors get 50, 250, and 400 pts per.

I think it's still fair.
But only if the reviewer is not advanced. Unless I missed an update.
07/22/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
Quote:
Originally posted by El-Jaro
Mentors get the $25 gift card and the 500 points
Editors get 50, 250, and 400 pts per.

I think it's still fair.
I don't really mentor anymore unless I get a private request and I know that the reviewer is going to work hard. I have too much going on otherwise. So it really doesn't affect me. Just a thought that I'd had before.
07/22/2011
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
But only if the reviewer is not advanced. Unless I missed an update.
you're right, only for new people. I've never mentored an advanced student, do the mentors still get 500 points for the class?
07/22/2011
Contributor: Jul!a Jul!a
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
you're right, only for new people. I've never mentored an advanced student, do the mentors still get 500 points for the class?
I believe so. I think I have, but it's been a while since I've ended a class that wasn't a cancellation.
07/22/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
you're right, only for new people. I've never mentored an advanced student, do the mentors still get 500 points for the class?
I agree. I think it's fair how it is. Reviews not only get 50 points, but DUH they get the free toy too...for sponsored things of course.

Yes, we do still get 500 for advanced students.

We don't get points for canceling them anymore. I think we should if they have done one review, but I don't care that much.
07/22/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
you're right, only for new people. I've never mentored an advanced student, do the mentors still get 500 points for the class?
Yep, you still get the 500 points, which for 3-5 reviews and all the teaching and work that goes into mentoring, is much less than editors get.

I hate being the dissenting voice, just something that I have thought about. I'm not saying I think that EF isn't generous; you absolutely are.
07/22/2011
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
Yep, you still get the 500 points, which for 3-5 reviews and all the teaching and work that goes into mentoring, is much less than editors get.

I hate being the dissenting voice, just something that I have thought about. I'm not saying ... more
I think a factor is also the role each plays. Mentors are a great part of the system, but they're not a "Need to have," meaning EF could theoretically function without them. However, as it currently stands, someone has to edit reviews that are submitted, whether it be an EF staffer (as previously) or a community member (as with the editor program). I'm guessing the points EF pays out is far less what it would cost to pay a staff member to do the same work. Is the system perfect? No, but the problems associated with it are for the most part acceptable. I agree that the mentor program could use a few tweeks to improve the system and make it more in line.
07/22/2011
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
Yeah, we're steadily over 400 reviews a week. I remember 90%+ of my day was proofing reviews when we were in the mid-300's per week.

Editors is a lot cheaper for the company.
07/22/2011
Contributor: js250 js250
I submitted a request to be an editor on May 31 and have not had a reply either way. How much time does it usually take for a reply? I am just curious and not complaining but would enjoy the opportunity to help the site and reviewers. Thanks.
07/23/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by js250
I submitted a request to be an editor on May 31 and have not had a reply either way. How much time does it usually take for a reply? I am just curious and not complaining but would enjoy the opportunity to help the site and reviewers. Thanks.
You probably haven't heard because they aren't accepting any more editors.
07/23/2011
Contributor: Petite Valentine Petite Valentine
Quote:
Originally posted by Kindred
I think a factor is also the role each plays. Mentors are a great part of the system, but they're not a "Need to have," meaning EF could theoretically function without them. However, as it currently stands, someone has to edit reviews ... more
Mentors are a great part of the system, but they're not a "Need to have,"

From a technical standpoint this may be true, but quality-wise Mentors are invaluable. Compare reviews from those who are mentored and those who are not, and I think you will agree that there is a notable difference in caliber. I'm not a mentor, and I'm not completely familiar with how their rewards work, but I will say my mentor is worth her weight in Phallix glass! (That stuff is more precious than gold around here. )

As for the compensation, while I think 50 points is a little low for the time and effort I invest in a review, EF also gives me points just for using the search box so complaining seemed like the hallmark of over-entitlement. I always remind myself that I reviewed for Amazon for years and got diddly-squat, so I am extremely grateful for the system EF has in place.

That said, maybe a sliding scale for review points is an idea worth entertaining? Fifty is more than fair on a free assignment, but for buyouts on items over, say $75 and non-subsidized reviews for items over, say $35, a little extra would be nice.
07/23/2011
Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
Quote:
Originally posted by Petite Valentine
Mentors are a great part of the system, but they're not a "Need to have,"

From a technical standpoint this may be true, but quality-wise Mentors are invaluable. Compare reviews from those who are mentored and those who are not, ... more
You are also rewarded for your well-written reviews with the ranking system, which rewards your improvement by allowing you to request more expensive items for free.
07/23/2011
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
Quote:
Originally posted by Petite Valentine
Mentors are a great part of the system, but they're not a "Need to have,"

From a technical standpoint this may be true, but quality-wise Mentors are invaluable. Compare reviews from those who are mentored and those who are not, ... more
I never said that mentors did not provide a valuable service to EF and the community. I am a mentor myself. However, I did say that it was not a necessity. Will the overall quality of reviews go down if there were no mentors? Probably a little, but I think there are way more reviewers that do not go through the program than do, so I think the impact is only marginal at best. And at the end of the day, reviews will still be submitted.

And giving more points to buyouts does not make sense from EF's standpoint. EF typically assigns every product to 2 reviewers. That's all a product really needs. Any extra are a bonus and why you can't request a product that already has 2 verified reviews as an assignment. EF doesn't need them. However, they are generous enough to offer a discount for anyone interested in writing a buyout review.
07/23/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
THIS is why we have proofreaders

(video... offsite)
07/23/2011
Contributor: Petite Valentine Petite Valentine
Quote:
Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
You are also rewarded for your well-written reviews with the ranking system, which rewards your improvement by allowing you to request more expensive items for free.
@ DeliciousSurpise:
Very true. This is one of the long-term rewards that reviewers work towards.

I was just offering up an idea of something more immediate that I think would also help motivate reviewers to take a chance on more expensive items. For example, I don't think anyone qualifies to review the Filligrino Double Dong for free, and even with a 30% buyout it's over $200. A reward of 500 or 1000 points for a review might be that extra push that someone on the fence needs to purchase the item, and they don't get it until they actually write a review. But this is an extreme example. The sliding scale I had in mind was much smaller, between 50 and 100 points.

@ Kindred:
I have a great respect for you and your reviews, but on the issue of quality we disagree. I think the difference between mentored and non-mentored reviews is more than a little. I'm of the opinion that the mentor program should be mandatory, but I expect I am in the minority.

EF is very generous, and I am grateful for the system they have in place. However, as other community members have previously stated in the thread, the reward points sometimes seem oddly apportioned. I find well-written reviews to be the most valuable part of the site, so my suggestion is geared towards rewarding review writers and mentors. If to make up the difference EF stopped awarding points for lures and FB likes I wouldn't shed a tear.
07/23/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Petite Valentine
@ DeliciousSurpise:
Very true. This is one of the long-term rewards that reviewers work towards.

I was just offering up an idea of something more immediate that I think would also help motivate reviewers to take a chance on more expensive ... more
Some people don't actually need the mentor program. I was upgraded before I even knew about the mentor program. Then I signed up with Sam. Sam graduated me after she edited my first two reviews (submitted at the same time). She said, "I don't think you need me."

And my first few reviews weren't terrible (well, to me they are now... but yeah), but just inexperienced. Once I knew what I should include, I didn't really have any problems. (Not bragging, just saying that not every *needs* a mentor)
07/23/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
Quote:
Originally posted by Petite Valentine
@ DeliciousSurpise:
Very true. This is one of the long-term rewards that reviewers work towards.

I was just offering up an idea of something more immediate that I think would also help motivate reviewers to take a chance on more expensive ... more
Also, I dunno, with as much affordable glass available, I think these are grossly overpriced.
07/23/2011
Contributor: cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
I was here before the mentor program and I will honestly say that, since the mentor program, I have actually seen a lot more reviews that are poor quality.

It was easy to get upgraded before, but you had to actually *have* a toy or two to review in the first place, and you actually had to work hard to get in the program.

When I started, there were no points, it was one toy a month in your price range (which was also lower when I started) and it took a while to climb up in rank.

I know that myself and others that were here before all these incentives worked our asses off to get where we are today. Not saying others haven't worked hard for it, and I do enjoy all the incentives, but honestly I think it has drawn more people who aren't willing to work as hard.

Out of all the students I have had, I have graduated 3 of them. 1 is waiting in the wings. Other than that, I get a request, they want a free toy, then they don't want to work for it. I won't do free toys unless they prove themselves to me first.

For the mentors and the editors--- we all do a great job, and anything EF decides to give us is up to them. Just like my profile says: I'm proud to be Eden's bitch. My entire collection has been giving to me by them, I have only bought 2 toys out of the whole thing. The rest were achieved by waiting a month, and , when the points came, working for them. I do the videos and write for the cafe when I can, and get gift cards.


So, in short, even if Eden went back to the old days of one review a month, I wouldn't care and I would still be here for them.


It doesn't matter HOW MUCH they give us, it's still more than what they could.
07/23/2011
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
Quote:
Originally posted by Petite Valentine
@ DeliciousSurpise:
Very true. This is one of the long-term rewards that reviewers work towards.

I was just offering up an idea of something more immediate that I think would also help motivate reviewers to take a chance on more expensive ... more
I have great respect for you and your reviews as well.

And I think you misunderstood me again. I stated that the overall quality of reviews, and by that I mean all reviews submitted to EF, would not drop significantly if the mentor program ceased to exist. I totally agree that there is a huge difference in quality, in general, between a student's review and one that has not been mentored. However, I think the number of people that go through the program is a vast minority compared to the number of total reviewers. Therefore I think the program has only a minor influence on the overall quality of reviews submitted. Sorry if I was unclear before.
07/24/2011
Contributor: lexical lexical
Well, I submitted a support ticket about this, but haven't heard back at all in a couple of weeks...So I'll try asking here

Is the EdenTasks program still accepting editors? I'd love to help out, but I haven't heard anything about my request. After a week or so, I submitted that support ticket. So it's been about three weeks, I think?

I just wondered if new editors are no longer being taken or if I was just overlooked or something else entirely!

Thanks!
07/25/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
Quote:
Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
Some reviews don't deserve more than 50 pts. I think the fear would be that if they offered more points for reviews, people would just publish reviews left and right and there would be even more for the editors to do.

They have to make ... more
Oh, I agree that most reviews don't deserve more than 50 points, it probably would be abused. But, my point was people were saying that videos shouldn't count towards one's points nor towards one's rating, because "not everyone can do them." My point was; not everyone can edit, yet editors get massive points for editing already written reviews.

These editing jobs are absolutely needed (assuming they are done well, I've seen a few that look as if they weren't touched) but why give so many points and/or rating increases for ONE thing that "not everyone can do" and none for the other? The gift card rocks, I admit that, I love the gift cards for doing videos. But, I still think perhaps they could be also worked into our status and perhaps earn points, too.
07/25/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
Quote:
Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
This is something that I have an issue with: editors getting compensated better than mentors when most mentors do more work with their students. We don't get compensated per review that we edit (and I think a lot of us do edit), the back and ... more
I didn't realize Mentors didn't get points for doing the editing of their student's reviews! Hmm. Seems a bit unbalanced. Not doing this program, I don't know what could be done to work it properly, though.

I have never applied to be a Mentor. I think I'd probably make some people cry.

But, it does seem like a lot of points given to edit one review, when it is NOT something "everyone can do." Unlike a video review, editors are chosen. Doing a video is a personal choice, and if one "can't" do them, it's up to them whether to or not.

Not that the editing isn't needed, it is. Absolutely! The work is also appreciated, but a lot of times, writing a review can be as much work as editing one, depending on what the reviewer puts into it.

I mean, I'm certainly not point crazy (my average is about one review a week to every 10 days, and I don't do much other than post and review to get points) If I was that concerned, I would be doing unnecessary searches, daily lures, (I probably do lures about twice a month) voting for all kinds of things I don't need to etc. I was just commenting on perhaps my misunderstanding of the difference between the point system of writing a review (which usually takes me about 3 to 4 hours, and awards 50 points) and editing a review, which I have no idea how much time it takes, but gives hundreds of points.
07/25/2011
Contributor: ZenaidaMacroura ZenaidaMacroura
I can't really understand why anyone has a problem with editors getting paid so many points. Yes, I agree, it's a lot of points. But it is basically a paying job. We're just being paid in points. I feel like some people are saying editors shouldn't be getting so many points, but I don't see how it matters to anyone besides the people receiving the points. How does it affect anyone besides the editors? My getting 50, 250, 400, whatever points for editing something doesn't cause any inconvenience for anyone else. I'm not going to say anyone else should be paid less for what they do, be it videos, mentoring, reviewing, editing, etc, because it doesn't affect me.

I can, however, see raising the point rewards for mentors and whatnot. They do a lot of hard work. I don't have any first hand experience with the whole process, but I do feel they are an invaluable resource. A lot of the time, reviewers who have been with a mentor write much better reviews. Maybe not always, but a lot of the time.

I'm sorry if I seem bitchy. I'm really not trying to be. That's just how I feel about all of it. Plus, I haven't had any coffee yet, started a new job today, and am pretty sleep deprived.
07/25/2011
Contributor: Petite Valentine Petite Valentine
@ Kindred:
Thank you for clarifying. I had misunderstood.

@ BBW Talks Toys:
Even the most polished reviewers can use an extra set of eyes on occasion. Just sayin'.


If I am reading correctly, as an "advanced" reviewer, I'm costing my mentor points. All of my reviews are "extended template" reviews — well, except for that one where I screwed up and couldn't change it — so if she was simply an editor she could earn up to 1600 points for editing four reviews. However as a mentor, at most she'll earn 500 points for her work. Every review she provides encouragement, feedback and corrections for actually lowers her per-review reward (500 ÷ 4 = 125/pr, 500 ÷ 8 = 62.5/pr). It's almost like EF is giving her incentive to get rid of me.
07/25/2011
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
Quote:
Originally posted by Petite Valentine
@ Kindred:
Thank you for clarifying. I had misunderstood.

@ BBW Talks Toys:
Even the most polished reviewers can use an extra set of eyes on occasion. Just sayin'.


If I am reading correctly, as an "advanced" ... more
Not exactly correct. As an Advanced Reviewer, your mentor is not compensated for graduating you. However there are many mentors, myself included, that still take them on as students because we like to and want to help. Also, when a review is submitted for editing, it goes in a queue. You can't direct your review be edited by anyone in particular. Lastly (I can't check because I'm on my phone) but if you have a rank greater than 5.5, your review auto-publishes and bypasses the editing program.
07/25/2011