A new "Study"

A new "Study"

Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
I was reading a site extolling the horrors of pornography on marriages and I ran across this article link about a new study supposedly "proving" that condoms are ineffective even if used correctly and every time. Now I know that condoms aren't 100% effective but I've always assumed that one must screen one's potential sex partners to rule out chancroids, herpes and other diseases that aren't stopped by condoms.

Since, here at EF, we almost religiously push condom useag I am curious to see what sort of reaction the community has to this article. Me, personally, I find it to be irresponsible and deeply dangerous though totally consistent with the religious right's adjenda.

I'm curious also to see what the scientists in our community feel about the article. Is it truthful or skewed as I suspect?

*Please, let's refrain from Catholic bashing. While this was published by a Catholic group I know many Catholics who are against this article and feel sickened by it.
01/31/2010
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deceased deceased
I'm a Catholic (Russian Orthodox) and I personally believe in condoms for the prevention of disease transmission because they work. I spent several years as an unpaid HIV/AIDs counseler and promoted condoms. Often two people in a relationship who use barriers and one is infected, the other can avoid infection. I personally know two men, together 15 years, one is still negative and the other has always been positive. They credit condoms. They also have made it a point to distribute condoms at parades, and distribute literature as well. Condoms work. You can twist statistics, but when it comes down to the end of the day gloves, dams, condoms, a little extra lube and avoidance of someone's possiley infectious bodily fluids can save your life.

Your partner or potential partner may not even know they have trich or chlamydia or hepatitis B or C either. And people lie.
01/31/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by deceased
I'm a Catholic (Russian Orthodox) and I personally believe in condoms for the prevention of disease transmission because they work. I spent several years as an unpaid HIV/AIDs counseler and promoted condoms. Often two people in a relationship ...
Exactly my thought and experience as well. Condoms save lives and while abstinence is very effective at keeping you disease free it's a poor choice in my opinion. Even marriage doesn't guarrantee you'll always be safe from disease. Just makes me helplessly angry when people try to control others through fear and obvious twisting of the facts. Fact is using condoms properly and carefully choosing your sex partners IS an effective way to avoid contracting diseases.
01/31/2010
Sammi Sammi
Unless I missed it, there's not a link to the study they are referring to. Was such a study actually done?
01/31/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
I have no idea...I was hoping that some of the scientests or medical professionals in our community could weigh in on whether it was an actual study.
01/31/2010
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Sammi
Unless I missed it, there's not a link to the study they are referring to. Was such a study actually done?
Ditto this. It's easy to spew stats you've manipulated without showing the source
01/31/2010
Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
There's no link, but I'll see if I can dig anything up. Even if they're talking about a real study, they're probably warping it beyond all recognition.
01/31/2010
Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
Ok, I found the "study" in question. It's actually a "workshop," where a bunch of scientists got together to discuss studies that had been done, and to write a report about what had been found. If you'd like to read it for yourself, the PDF can be found here: link


A few interesting tidbits directly from the text. I promise not to pull them out of context.

"The meeting was not intended to make public health policy recommendations regarding the role of condoms in HIV/STD prevention policy and programs."

"In general, the Panel found the published epidemiology literature to be inadequate to definitively answer the question posed to the workshop participants."
(Translation: we don't know, because there's not enough information)


Based on this first page alone, the entire article Airen found is complete bunk. They're not twisting the facts, they're breaking and rewriting them. Regardless of their religious background, I have to call bullshit on this one.


Bottom line:
"Summary
The Panel stressed that the absence of definitive conclusions reflected inadequacies of the evidence available and should not be interpreted as proof of the adequacy or inadequacy of the condom to reduce the risk of STDs other than HIV transmission in men and women and gonorrhea in men. To definitely answer the remaining questions about condom effectiveness for preventing STD infections will require well-designed and ethically sound clinical studies."


The rest of the article is very interesting reading, but it basically says that there's not enough sound data to know for sure, and it'll be really hard to get it ethically (without needlessly exposing lots of people). Also, you can't monitor people's condom use directly. All you can do is ask them how often they use them, how they use them, how often they have problems with condoms, etc. Like all self-report methods, this is subject to the fluid nature of our memories; almost no self-report measure of behavior is perfectly accurate.
01/31/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Luscious Lily
Ok, I found the "study" in question. It's actually a "workshop," where a bunch of scientists got together to discuss studies that had been done, and to write a report about what had been found. If you'd like to read it for ...
Thanks a bunch Lilly! I kinda figured that was the case since this would have made MAJOR headlines if it had been a real study with real findings. So basically it's a we dunno cause we can't exactly line people up and take pot shots at them to test the theory...but mostly it seems that condoms work so keep using them!
02/01/2010
NY Toyfan NY Toyfan
Conservatives (especially those in favor of abstinence) always harp on the limitations of condoms. They are certainly not perfect. There are, unfortunately, many many ways condoms can lose their effectiveness: failing to roll it all the way down the shaft, leaving it on too long after you cum, not using enough lube, not getting rid of the air bubble at the top (allows them to pop while you are using them), etc. The other thing that happens with condoms is that people don't put them on when they get started. They take a few practice strokes before putting it on (even I am guilty of that one!)

However, condoms used properly are highly effective. Instead of harping on the limitations of condoms, those abstinence lovers should focus their energies on educating people on the proper way to use them.
02/01/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by NY Toyfan
Conservatives (especially those in favor of abstinence) always harp on the limitations of condoms. They are certainly not perfect. There are, unfortunately, many many ways condoms can lose their effectiveness: failing to roll it all the way down ...
Problem is they believe that education leads to an over whelming desire to use the knowledge. Thing is I have the knowledge of how to castrate a pig, cow or cat doesn't mean I feel an unholy desire to do it...but apparently sex is so evil that it will just take over your mind completely! Even if you use a banana to illustrate the proper use of a condom. That was the excuse used in my High School...I always wondered if they menat I'd be hell bent on having protected sex with a banana, and would I then graduate to another dirtier form of fruit?
02/01/2010
TumorCrunch TumorCrunch
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
I was reading a site extolling the horrors of pornography on marriages and I ran across this article link about a new study supposedly "proving" that condoms are ineffective even if used correctly and every time. Now I know that condoms ...
it just makes me sad,,,,all of the people..in africa where there is a huge AIDS problem. people aren't using them because of this trash..and more and more people are getting infected and dying. sad....
03/15/2011
callsignhusker callsignhusker
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
I was reading a site extolling the horrors of pornography on marriages and I ran across this article link about a new study supposedly "proving" that condoms are ineffective even if used correctly and every time. Now I know that condoms ...
interesting, ty for posting!
04/07/2011
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