Fertility Awareness, Any Fans?

Fertility Awareness, Any Fans?

FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
Hello, I'm new to this site and I was just curious if anyone uses the Fertility Awareness Method of birth control? I teach free workshops on it and in general am very excited about it, so I figured I would ask! If anyone's wondering what this is, it's about charting your main fertility signs (that is, cervical fluid, cervical position and waking temperature) to determine when your fertile phase is. Check out Toni Weschler's book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" for a complete explanation. I would love to connect with some ladies who use this as I've been enjoying it for over 4 years now, but don't know anyone else who really gives it a shot!
Thank you!!
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Holly Hox Holly Hox
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Originally posted by FAM4LIFE
Hello, I'm new to this site and I was just curious if anyone uses the Fertility Awareness Method of birth control? I teach free workshops on it and in general am very excited about it, so I figured I would ask! If anyone's wondering what this ...
I DO, I DO!! I have that very book. I bought it before I even went off birth control, and loved it. And, there you have it. Works for me.
01/02/2010
FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
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Originally posted by Holly Hox
I DO, I DO!! I have that very book. I bought it before I even went off birth control, and loved it. And, there you have it. Works for me.
Thanks hollyhox! Do you mind me asking how long you've been using it? It's great to hear your enthusiasm!!
01/02/2010
Holly Hox Holly Hox
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Originally posted by FAM4LIFE
Thanks hollyhox! Do you mind me asking how long you've been using it? It's great to hear your enthusiasm!!
Since 2005!
01/02/2010
FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
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Originally posted by Holly Hox
Since 2005!
No way! Me too!!
01/02/2010
Holly Hox Holly Hox
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Originally posted by FAM4LIFE
No way! Me too!!
sweet!! sound like we have some things in common.
01/02/2010
Britni TheVadgeWig Britni TheVadgeWig
No. I'm not willing to take a chance. Just because you're more or less fertile at a certain time doesn't mean that you *can't* get pregnant. While nothing is foolproof, the chance of getting pregnant is much higher than with other methods.
01/02/2010
FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
Actually, when used correctly FAM is 98% effective. That's more effective than condoms. This isn't at all like the rhythm method, which gives you an "estimate" of when you're fertile based on previous cycles. FAM tracks your three scientifically proven fertility signs every day so that you can pinpoint the day you ovulate, if not within 3 days. I know people are commonly taught that natural birth control is "dangerous," and this is why I promote it so much. There is so much misinformation on the subject, and honestly I think it's a scam to keep women buying birth control pills and continue to be ignorant of their reproductive health. If you know what's going on in your body, why would you need an expert other than in serious cases?

Anyway, please check out the facts before dismissing it, or you may be missing out on something very useful.
01/03/2010
Viktor Vysheslav Malkin Viktor Vysheslav Malkin
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Originally posted by FAM4LIFE
Actually, when used correctly FAM is 98% effective. That's more effective than condoms. This isn't at all like the rhythm method, which gives you an "estimate" of when you're fertile based on previous cycles. FAM tracks your ...
It sounds very interesting, probably the reason some do not use it. They may be like I, and do not fully understand it. Now if you are like I, then you'll go and research it
01/03/2010
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by FAM4LIFE
Actually, when used correctly FAM is 98% effective. That's more effective than condoms. This isn't at all like the rhythm method, which gives you an "estimate" of when you're fertile based on previous cycles. FAM tracks your ...
What about women who, for whatever reason, are not normal? As that number seems to be on the rise these days, how does this method deal with that?


I think your statistic also says a lot. Most people do NOT use birth control effectively but it seems like there may be more leeway with some methods.

Also, I assume "every day" means you have to do stuff.. every day. Is it a lot of work? I'll admit.. I'm a lazy American who would rather pay for BC I can forget about.. which is why I no longer use the pill.

I admit, I thought this thread would be relating to TTC or something. It's interesting, though
01/03/2010
Holly Hox Holly Hox
It can also help when trying to get pregnant, or trying to figure out when you can get pregnant.

I discovered that my luteal phase (which is "average" of 14 ish days in alot of women) is only 9 days. This leaves less days for actual fertilization and implantation.

I know that seems pointless to mention on this thread where it seems people clearly do not want to get pregnant - but, it is true.

And truly, FAM4LIFE is right. This method is 98% effective. I have been sexually active for the entire 4 years I've been doing FAM - and the only kid I have is the one we planned (and the only pregnancy for that matter), and it took us one month to get pg with him. other than that we haven't even had a scare.

I will say, though, that around the time I ovulate and my fertile days we do use condoms, just to feel a little more pro active.
01/03/2010
FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
What about women who, for whatever reason, are not normal? As that number seems to be on the rise these days, how does this method deal with that?


I think your statistic also says a lot. Most people do NOT use birth control effectively ...
I teach this method to many women who don't have regular cycles. It is actually very useful for these women because aside from knowing when they ovulate, based on this information you can tell when you're going to have your next period as well (luteal/post-ovulatory phase is always 12-16 days, if it's longer than 18 days, you are definitely pregnant). I totally understand this misconception because that is the most common question I get. You really don't have to be regular to use FAM because you're not guessing anything at all.

It's true, most people don't use birth control effectively. Condoms, in theory, are 97% effective, but in practice they're only 87% effective. The statistic for FAM is in theory because it's hard to do an "in practice" statistic for FAM. This is because women who use it are generally using it effectively, and if they have sex during their fertile time, it's usually because they want to get pregnant. Also, holly is right here, a lot of us use condoms during our fertile time thus lowering the effectiveness of our birth control. If you use something like condoms during your fertile time and get pregnant, then it is probably the condom failing, not the FAM.

You do have to observe and chart your fertility signs every day, and you do need to pay attention. This is the #1 reason I hear why women don't use FAM. People are lazy and they don't want to be responsible. In reality this only takes a few minutes a day. And, from my experience, "lazy" women who use the pill are often lazy about that, and end up getting pregnant anyway. I understand your concern, and realize that many people aren't ready for something like this.

Thank you for your questions, though. I am happy enough when women are interested enough to ask!
01/03/2010
FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
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Originally posted by FAM4LIFE
I teach this method to many women who don't have regular cycles. It is actually very useful for these women because aside from knowing when they ovulate, based on this information you can tell when you're going to have your next period as ...
Correction: Your luteal phase can be shorter than 12 days (indicating a short, or potentially infertile cycle), but it is never longer than 16.
01/03/2010
EffinSara EffinSara
I find monitoring the signs of the body to be absolutely fascinating, but I don't appreciate the negative attitude you take towards women using other forms of birth control. Honestly, it really turns me off to what you're trying to promote.
01/03/2010
FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
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Originally posted by EffinSara
I find monitoring the signs of the body to be absolutely fascinating, but I don't appreciate the negative attitude you take towards women using other forms of birth control. Honestly, it really turns me off to what you're trying to promote.
I'm not trying to be negative. I'm all for women using birth control, whatever it is. I simply try to offer women the information of the negative aspects of the birth control that is most often suggested. Please understand, I have friends who have nearly died because of side effects from using the pill. Both of my sisters have had unwanted pregnancies because they missed taking their pills, and their doctors told them they were safe. I really don't see this as an issue of being negative or positive, I am simply being realistic. How else can we talk honestly about these issues if we cannot talk about the negatives as well? This includes FAM. It can be hassle, it's not always easy. Birth control pills are readily available and simple to use. There's a lot more going on here.


If you're referring to my use of the word "lazy," I only used that word because Adrianna used it and was replying specifically to her.
01/03/2010
Saraid Saraid
There are positives and negatives to every form of birth control. I use the withdrawal method, which until recently when more research was done, got me nothing but criticism from doctors and friends.

I realize FAM can be great for a lot of people especially if they have problems with hormonal birth control, but some people are fine with hormonal birth control and are on it for balancing their hormones and periods as well as a method of preventing pregnancy.

Also, a lot of women just don't have the time and patience to monitor their cervical mucus level and their temperature every single day.
01/03/2010
CaptainBunnyKilla CaptainBunnyKilla
In real life, the failure rate for FAM and similar methods is 15-25%. The failure rate for the pill is around 1% (this site has a lot of good resources: link). For many, many, many women, hormonal contraception is safe and effective. Do some people have problems? Sure. Does that mean pills are evil and kill people? No. In fact, the risk rate for hormonal contraceptives is quite low, and recent studies have shown that they even confer benefits.

I'd also like to point out that the fact that your sisters got pregnant seems to be because they failed to take the pills properly. I don't really see how that's a pill problem. When someone doesn't take their full course of antibiotics, for example, and has a relapsed infection, no one blames the antibiotics.

The point is, everyone will choose the birth control method that's right for them. For many, many women, this will be hormonal birth control. It's great that FAM works for you, but there's no need to put down women who use other birth control methods.
01/03/2010
FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
Last time I'm addressing this: I am not putting down the WOMEN who use other forms of birth control. I am simply pointing out the negatives and positives, as the pill is very widespread and in my experience, the risks are not thoroughly talked about. Please don't take it so personally. I was not intending this to be a war of comparison. This is really just taking away from anything that's said about FAM. So, don't be surprised if I don't respond to personal accusations. If anyone has real questions, I will be glad to answer them the best to my ability.

I wasn't blaming the pill for my sisters' unwanted pregnancies, but it is the nature of the pill that allows you to forget about your fertility and leave that the decision in the hands of a doctor. This is a downside. This is my point in comparison to what I've been trying to say about FAM.

Pills do in fact kill people. This is one of the risks. Whether this makes them evil or not is up to you to decide. And these "benefits" are relative. Again, good for some women, but not for all.

And the sources you list for FAM and "similar methods" being only 15-25% effective do not target FAM specifically. FAM stands alone in it's class because it has extensive research. Again, like the pill, it's failure rate is for perfect use. Mistakes are not calculated in this number.

Please check out the following sites which have tons of information on FAM:
FAM FAQs
FAM home

Final disclaimer: I am supportive of all forms of birth control. I am supportive of women choosing the birth control that is right for them. I also understand that little is commonly known about FAM and strive to make information more available. I would also like to talk honestly about these methods in an objective way. So please ask questions if you have them!
01/03/2010
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Are there women for whom this is not a viable option? Like if something is affecting their cervix/temperature?
01/03/2010
FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
You're looking for the big picture with FAM, and this gives it a lot of room for diversity among women who use it. You want to see an obvious, dramatic change in your fertility signs to confirm that ovulation has passed. The most safe sign that ovulation has occurred is a "high"(in comparison to your pre-ovulatory temps) waking temp for at least 3 days. This is because your body produces large amounts of progesterone (a heat inducing hormone) right after ovulation, and is a very strong sign of ovulation. There are particular situations where you can't read your fertility signs, and FAM suggests that you abstain(or use barrier methods) until you have witnessed obvious changes in your fertility signs. The most frequent situations are: fever, drinking alcohol at night (raises your morning temp), and vaginal infections (which can mask your cervical fluid)

For certain circumstances there are special rules. For example, a woman who doesn't have an obvious thermal shift, or if her cervical fluid never builds up to "maximum fertility," this is a sign of potential infertility, so the rules change a little. One rule that takes into account your "peak" day of fertility would be defined by "creamy" cervical fluid rather than "eggwhite" (if she never gets the "eggwhite cervical fluid). I can't specifically think of any situations where a woman couldn't use FAM at all. Toni Weschler's book goes into great detail about all these special circumstances. She has a great section for breast feeding and potentially infertile women, giving them the ability to see when and if they ovulate.

Some women have dramatically lower or higher waking temperatures, which is sometimes linked to thyroid conditions. For these women, the rules are still the same. FAM uses your cervical position as an "optional" fertility sign because it's not as strong of an indicator as your waking temp and cervical fluid, and you can have effective birth control without it. Some women can't reach their cervix with their fingers, and that's fine. If you're really curious, you can get yourself a stainless steel speculum to observe your cervical position visually. Observing your cervical position has a lot to do with the height of your cervix throughout your cycle, and the size of your cervix's opening. FAM takes into consideration that women who have had vaginal childbirth will always have a slightly more "open" cervix.

Thanks for the question! I hope this was helpful, and not too technical
01/03/2010
LicentiouslyYours LicentiouslyYours
I think it's great that there [italics|are] so many different options available to women for birth control. While it's true that not all are created equal and each person has to figure out for themselves which is the best method, I think it's important to be aware of risks; risk of both medical side effects and failure rates.

This forum can be a great place to discuss such things, but probably the best place to go for valid statistics and information on side effects would be your own doctor or other trained professional in this area.

Happy New Year everyone!
01/03/2010
LicentiouslyYours LicentiouslyYours
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I think it's great that there [italics|are] so many different options available to women for birth control. While it's true that not all are created equal and each person has to figure out for themselves which is the best method, I think ...
Well so much for my attempt at formatting for italics!
01/03/2010
FAM4LIFE FAM4LIFE
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Originally posted by LicentiouslyYours
I think it's great that there [italics|are] so many different options available to women for birth control. While it's true that not all are created equal and each person has to figure out for themselves which is the best method, I think ...
Thank you for that much needed disclaimer. Again, I am not a doctor, and there are many gynecologists out there who are well educated in the risks and benefits of several forms of birth control, including FAM. All of this information is simply an introduction and if you would like to know more, please check out Toni Weschler's book and discuss your options with your doctor.
01/04/2010
Liz2 Liz2
I can probably see me getting involved when I want to become pregnant, it is a major commitment and I can not see me keeping it up on an ongoing basis. There are more effective methods of birth control......
01/04/2010
Cecilyk Cecilyk
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Originally posted by FAM4LIFE
Hello, I'm new to this site and I was just curious if anyone uses the Fertility Awareness Method of birth control? I teach free workshops on it and in general am very excited about it, so I figured I would ask! If anyone's wondering what this ...
I've used that same book from the other side, the trying-to-get-pregnant side. It was incredibly informative, honestly, about how women's bodies work and I feel like this is the go-to guide for women just starting out in their sexual life. I mean, seriously, if I'd known about the cervical mucous thing in my twenties... I would have had far fewer scares.
01/06/2010
RosesThorns RosesThorns
I am actually very interested in this method as I am pretty against using hormonal birth control and dont care as much for condoms and other similar methods. I am also looking at trying to get pregnant in the next year or so. I plan on finding a copy of the mentioned book and what not. Thanks for bringing this topic up I dont feel that its discussed nearly enough.
01/22/2010
Robin Goodfellow Robin Goodfellow
I use the Lady Comp (Pearly). It is FAM method perfected by German Doctors and Engineers so that it takes the guess work out of the method. It is awesome and easy to use and well worth the investment. It is as simple as taking your temperature in the morning before you get up to see if you can have unprotected sex during the next 24hrs with a red or green light. The FAM method is great, it just requires diligence and perfection in order to get it right. The Lady Comp does it for you, making it really easy, accurate, and useful for people with busy lifestyles.
11/06/2010
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