I use to care - but I don't anymore.
I think performance enhancing drugs should be legal for professional athletes.
I think performance enhancing drugs should be legal for professional athletes.
Do you feel bad for Lance Armstrong, now that his secret is out, or do you think he deserves whatever bad effects flow from his lies and cheating over so many years?
01/18/2013
I check the first one and other...I don't think he should be the only one in the hot seat...a lot of them were doing the same thing and should pay the consequences as well.
01/18/2013
I haven't watched the interview yet. In my opinion what goes around, comes around. Even for Lance.
01/18/2013
I do not consider professional athletes of any sport to be role models for anything other than proficiency in their chosen endeavour. To that end I understand that any physical edge that one can gain over his opponent is a welcome one. Understanding that. I don't care if any and all professional athletes use whatever pharmacological assistance they can. They are putting on a show for entertainment. Now Lance did wrong in other ways but I cannot fault him for "doping" to improve his athletic performance.
01/18/2013
Fuck 'em!
01/18/2013
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People make their own fate
Originally posted by
Bignuf
In short, does he still deserve credit for all the good he did for so many (even with performance enhancing drugs, he defeated cancer and did what most people could never do, sport wise), or does all the lying, character assassination of his
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In short, does he still deserve credit for all the good he did for so many (even with performance enhancing drugs, he defeated cancer and did what most people could never do, sport wise), or does all the lying, character assassination of his detractors outweigh all that?
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01/18/2013
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I saw something that said that the companies that he did endorsements for such as Nike are going to sue him for their money back. I feel this is wrong because people still bought the brand back in the day ya know. They have taken away his medals, and his Tour De France, on top of the slander. I feel so bad for him because he still won even with the cancer.
Originally posted by
Bignuf
In short, does he still deserve credit for all the good he did for so many (even with performance enhancing drugs, he defeated cancer and did what most people could never do, sport wise), or does all the lying, character assassination of his
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In short, does he still deserve credit for all the good he did for so many (even with performance enhancing drugs, he defeated cancer and did what most people could never do, sport wise), or does all the lying, character assassination of his detractors outweigh all that?
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01/18/2013
Why should I feel sorry for him? He made a calculated decision to lie & cheat and only after intensive pressure & overwhelming evidence, did he admit his guilt. He perpetrated a fraud & any fallout from that is just. I also think many people are losing sight of the fact that he & his lawyers doggedly went after all detractors & destroyed their careers. He's always been arrogant & unrepentant & I believe is only sorry he was caught. It makes no difference to me if he did any other good, that's pure obfuscation.
01/19/2013
I don't feel bad for him, he needs to take the consequences and deal with it. He didn't handle the situation very well at all.
01/19/2013
I didn't see "the interview" I can't stand Oprah, and have always felt revulsion for Armstrong. (So, I saw no reason to watch them together.)
As I've said, I've always felt visceral revulsion towards Armstrong. He didn't "defeat" cancer, he was lucky to be one who survived. Cancer doesn't spare people because they are morally superior. It's an equal opportunity destroyer. He was simply lucky he lived. He "defeated" nothing. The drugs worked. That's all. To say he had anything to do with or any personal control of his cancer going into remission is a slap in the face to everyone who has had cancer and ended up dying from it.
I really am not following the whole hubbub, but I know his medals were taken. When one cheats and WINS and gets away from it, it only raises the bar to the point where no one can "win" without cheating, as well. (One of the reasons I'm not a fan of sport competition in the first place.) I don't like the man's attitude, he's seems very full of himself and seems to think he's Teflon. I suppose not anymore.
As I've said, I've always felt visceral revulsion towards Armstrong. He didn't "defeat" cancer, he was lucky to be one who survived. Cancer doesn't spare people because they are morally superior. It's an equal opportunity destroyer. He was simply lucky he lived. He "defeated" nothing. The drugs worked. That's all. To say he had anything to do with or any personal control of his cancer going into remission is a slap in the face to everyone who has had cancer and ended up dying from it.
I really am not following the whole hubbub, but I know his medals were taken. When one cheats and WINS and gets away from it, it only raises the bar to the point where no one can "win" without cheating, as well. (One of the reasons I'm not a fan of sport competition in the first place.) I don't like the man's attitude, he's seems very full of himself and seems to think he's Teflon. I suppose not anymore.
01/19/2013
Honesty is the best policy, and he broke it
01/19/2013
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Yeah, I don't even understand why performance enhancing drugs are illegal and looked down on.
Originally posted by
Gunsmoke
I use to care - but I don't anymore.
I think performance enhancing drugs should be legal for professional athletes.
I think performance enhancing drugs should be legal for professional athletes.
It's not like beauty pageant contestants are banned from having fake breasts (and hair and eyelashes and tans and on and on and on).
01/19/2013
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I don't know if I would say that he necessary "deserves" any bad that comes his way, but I don't feel sorry for him. He knew that taking those drugs was cheating, and he knew he could get in trouble for it. He took his chances and the guilt finally ate him up. I don't think he deserves bad things, but I don't think we should pity him, either.
Originally posted by
Bignuf
In short, does he still deserve credit for all the good he did for so many (even with performance enhancing drugs, he defeated cancer and did what most people could never do, sport wise), or does all the lying, character assassination of his
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more
In short, does he still deserve credit for all the good he did for so many (even with performance enhancing drugs, he defeated cancer and did what most people could never do, sport wise), or does all the lying, character assassination of his detractors outweigh all that?
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01/19/2013
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I don't feel sorry for him. He doesn't seem to be the least bit sorry himself, so why should I care? If he was truly repentant and not trying to salvage a career, I might be more sympathetic. What a horrible role model.
Originally posted by
Bignuf
In short, does he still deserve credit for all the good he did for so many (even with performance enhancing drugs, he defeated cancer and did what most people could never do, sport wise), or does all the lying, character assassination of his
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more
In short, does he still deserve credit for all the good he did for so many (even with performance enhancing drugs, he defeated cancer and did what most people could never do, sport wise), or does all the lying, character assassination of his detractors outweigh all that?
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01/19/2013
Umm, If I screw up I have to take responsibility. He should have to also. I hope he has to pay money back to his sponsers.
01/19/2013
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I couldn't agree more! You've touched on one of my pet peeves when talking about cancer. (Few mention the fact that his cancer just might have been from, or have been exacerbated by all the drugs he consumed or repeatedly constricting his testicles while riding!)
Originally posted by
P'Gell
I didn't see "the interview" I can't stand Oprah, and have always felt revulsion for Armstrong. (So, I saw no reason to watch them together.)
As I've said, I've always felt visceral revulsion towards Armstrong. He ... more
As I've said, I've always felt visceral revulsion towards Armstrong. He ... more
I didn't see "the interview" I can't stand Oprah, and have always felt revulsion for Armstrong. (So, I saw no reason to watch them together.)
As I've said, I've always felt visceral revulsion towards Armstrong. He didn't "defeat" cancer, he was lucky to be one who survived. Cancer doesn't spare people because they are morally superior. It's an equal opportunity destroyer. He was simply lucky he lived. He "defeated" nothing. The drugs worked. That's all. To say he had anything to do with or any personal control of his cancer going into remission is a slap in the face to everyone who has had cancer and ended up dying from it.
I really am not following the whole hubbub, but I know his medals were taken. When one cheats and WINS and gets away from it, it only raises the bar to the point where no one can "win" without cheating, as well. (One of the reasons I'm not a fan of sport competition in the first place.) I don't like the man's attitude, he's seems very full of himself and seems to think he's Teflon. I suppose not anymore. less
As I've said, I've always felt visceral revulsion towards Armstrong. He didn't "defeat" cancer, he was lucky to be one who survived. Cancer doesn't spare people because they are morally superior. It's an equal opportunity destroyer. He was simply lucky he lived. He "defeated" nothing. The drugs worked. That's all. To say he had anything to do with or any personal control of his cancer going into remission is a slap in the face to everyone who has had cancer and ended up dying from it.
I really am not following the whole hubbub, but I know his medals were taken. When one cheats and WINS and gets away from it, it only raises the bar to the point where no one can "win" without cheating, as well. (One of the reasons I'm not a fan of sport competition in the first place.) I don't like the man's attitude, he's seems very full of himself and seems to think he's Teflon. I suppose not anymore. less
01/19/2013
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True, but until it's not against the rules, it's wrong to participate while breaking the rules. Why not work/lobby to make them legal and then participate when it's legalized? After all, he could have taken the drugs & NOT competed, but I believe the point was to win money & accolades, not merely push his body for self gratification.
Originally posted by
Llahsram
Yeah, I don't even understand why performance enhancing drugs are illegal and looked down on.
It's not like beauty pageant contestants are banned from having fake breasts (and hair and eyelashes and tans and on and on and on).
It's not like beauty pageant contestants are banned from having fake breasts (and hair and eyelashes and tans and on and on and on).
01/19/2013
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