Occupy Wall Street??

Occupy Wall Street??

JessCee JessCee
What is all of this?

If you guys are going to learn anything about me, you will learn that I'm not very... political. I don't understand a lot of it, but that doesn't mean I don't try to educate myself.

This one has me totally confused because I don't understand the reasons behind this movement... or whatever it is. Videos and articles on the internet are difficult for me to understand because 1. they are totally bias and 2.they assume the reader already knows what's going on.

So can someone please break it down to like an 8th grade level and explain it to me? I REALLY don't want this to turn into a debate, I just need the basic facts so I can decide how I feel about it.
10/14/2011
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wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
Quote:
Originally posted by JessCee
What is all of this?

If you guys are going to learn anything about me, you will learn that I'm not very... political. I don't understand a lot of it, but that doesn't mean I don't try to educate myself.

This one has me ...
I'm not very political either. I've been trying to read up on this, but I don't totally understand it myself. It seems to have several different meanings?

It's hard to form an opinion on something when for 1) it seems those IN the movement don't know what's going on, 2) the media keeps relaying it as several different things, and 3)it seems to have just happened over night.

I'd love to know more so I can tell if I'm for it, against it, or just plain don't care.
10/14/2011
AngelvMaynard AngelvMaynard
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Originally posted by JessCee
What is all of this?

If you guys are going to learn anything about me, you will learn that I'm not very... political. I don't understand a lot of it, but that doesn't mean I don't try to educate myself.

This one has me ...
Right now it's more of a motivational thing while they mobilize. They are sort of taking the middle east revolutionist approach, building a mystique and a following while they protest. From what I understand they are growing their numbers until they feel they have a force big enough to make demands. Once they do that they will start an outcry for some changes in legislative policy such as:

Breaking up large monopolies (too big to fail companies that put as at risk of another financial crisis like 2008)

More legislative guidelines on practices on Wall Street

A change in the housing market

Etc..

Hope that helped some. It's a good movement in my opinion. It's a slow building one because they want legislative changes, so not as fast growing as say over throwing a corrupt government.
10/14/2011
wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
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Originally posted by AngelvMaynard
Right now it's more of a motivational thing while they mobilize. They are sort of taking the middle east revolutionist approach, building a mystique and a following while they protest. From what I understand they are growing their numbers until ...
In some ways that cleared some things up, but then it just made me more confused in other ways.

So... basically they're purposely being mysterious about what they want so they can then start demands?

I suppose the best way to learn about this is to follow it closely?
10/14/2011
AngelvMaynard AngelvMaynard
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Originally posted by wrecklesswords
In some ways that cleared some things up, but then it just made me more confused in other ways.

So... basically they're purposely being mysterious about what they want so they can then start demands?

I suppose the best way to learn ...
They are mobilizing and trying to gain their numbers. I also think they are putting together their game plan, but "occupying Wall Street" while they are doing it so that they are seen. I suppose that will make it easier when the time comes and they want to speak. It could be powerful, but if they don't play it right it could be a huge bust! I am a CNN avid watcher, so they have a little coverage about it every day.
10/14/2011
wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
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Originally posted by AngelvMaynard
They are mobilizing and trying to gain their numbers. I also think they are putting together their game plan, but "occupying Wall Street" while they are doing it so that they are seen. I suppose that will make it easier when the time comes ...
Okay, I see, I see. I do agree that if they do it right and use their power in numbers correctly, then it could speak volumes for American government and society. It is definitely true that the more mysterious you are the more people talk about it and the more people join to try to find out. (seriously, the biggest example popping in my head is when all the trailers for the movie Cloverfield came out. they were mysterious and scary and didn't explain anything...but then the movie came out and it was kinda shitty. example of how this could turn into a huge bust, lol).

I have CNN on my iPhone and it sends me notifications on breaking news, but it's usually either behind or not about the things I WANT to know about.
10/14/2011
AngelvMaynard AngelvMaynard
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Originally posted by wrecklesswords
Okay, I see, I see. I do agree that if they do it right and use their power in numbers correctly, then it could speak volumes for American government and society. It is definitely true that the more mysterious you are the more people talk about it ...
Hahaha! I agree, I get @CNNBRK tweets and I usually close them before I read the whole thing. Or it's about Lindsey Lohan on probation!
10/14/2011
Peggi Peggi
The Occupy protests are, in essence, a protest for dozens of causes (many of them contradicting one another) where people go of their own will and with their own cause in mind. It is leaderless, so they have no end outcome other than to "get people to do what they want".

The problem with this, is that they are basically going to say "hey world, I'm pissed!", whereas, the only way to get something done is to pick a cause, sit in and say "this is what I want and until I get it I'm not leaving!"

The issue lies in that it HAS the potential to do good, like the 99%, saying that basically the rich need more taxes. But, instead of saying this is what they want, here is how to fix it and here is the estimated outcome, they're just sitting around basically rioting. Several small businesses (like coffee shops and such) owned by people in their so-called 99% (the poor people) have had to close down due to their vandalism and scaring away their customers who are in fear of being mugged. They also have cost MILLIONS in damages and even MORE millions in police detail and overtime.

Then, the other issue is you have some of them saying "we like gay marriage!" and in the group next to them "we hate gay marriage!"

Basically, any leaderless group will turn into rioting. So, in the end they are simply going to put the United States into billions more debt and with hardly any result to show for it.
10/14/2011
chicken12 chicken12
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Originally posted by Peggi
The Occupy protests are, in essence, a protest for dozens of causes (many of them contradicting one another) where people go of their own will and with their own cause in mind. It is leaderless, so they have no end outcome other than to "get ...
Peggi - they're modeling the movement after Arab Spring which has appeared to be pretty successful and riot-free. From what I've read, people aren't disagreeing with each other - they're all recognizing that they have unique views and different reasons for being upset.

There's no official list of demands. Everyone has their own personal qualms.

I remember seeing a graph somewhere about the main grievances, and I think one of them had to do with the corrupt nature of the big businesses, who they have feel have effectively stolen billions of dollars from people and committed various crimes and have not been punished adequately.

Another issue is that the rich are getting richer, but the poor are staying poor. The income of the top 1% had grown significantly since the 1980's, but the income for the rest of the population has not (when adjusted for income).
10/14/2011
chicken12 chicken12
Quote:
Originally posted by Peggi
The Occupy protests are, in essence, a protest for dozens of causes (many of them contradicting one another) where people go of their own will and with their own cause in mind. It is leaderless, so they have no end outcome other than to "get ...
Peggi - they're modeling the movement after Arab Spring which has appeared to be pretty successful and riot-free. From what I've read, people aren't disagreeing with each other - they're all recognizing that they have unique views and different reasons for being upset.

There's no official list of demands. Everyone has their own personal qualms.

I remember seeing a graph somewhere about the main grievances, and I think one of them had to do with the corrupt nature of the big businesses, who they have feel have effectively stolen billions of dollars from people and committed various crimes and have not been punished adequately.

Another issue is that the rich are getting richer, but the poor are staying poor. The income of the top 1% had grown significantly since the 1980's, but the income for the rest of the population has not (when adjusted for income).
10/14/2011
Stinkytofu10 Stinkytofu10
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Originally posted by AngelvMaynard
Right now it's more of a motivational thing while they mobilize. They are sort of taking the middle east revolutionist approach, building a mystique and a following while they protest. From what I understand they are growing their numbers until ...
Thanks for explaining this plainly and simply.
02/13/2012
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