I was very interested in the Leaf line of products until I saw that they are made in China.

Contributor: Dangerous Lilly Dangerous Lilly
I always looked down upon toys bearing the China stamp, too. Until I made this post, "Open letter to the sex toy industry" and had some industry people responding to it - namely Metis letting us know that nearly all electronic parts are made in China. And that that's just how it is. But it doesn't mean its bad....it could be, depending on the toy manufacturer and how well they regulate what the China plant puts out. Papaya vibes have the vibrator part made in China, but Papaya also touts being environmentally friendly and claims that they inspect their plants in Asia. So to boycott all sex toys that are manufacturer in part or whole in China...means you likely won't have many vibrators.

Compare though a rechargeable vibrator on landfills to all the batteries that get tossed in the trash. You can buy non-rechargeable lithium batteries. People toss them in the trash. There's likely 1000 batteries for every rechargeable sex toy floating out there in the environment.

I can agree that China manufacturing can be shady. But to say that ANY company having ANY part of their toy made in China is bad and no longer environmentally friendly is a bit dramatic and quite probably incorrect.
12/30/2011
Contributor: Rin (aka Nire) Rin (aka Nire)
Having read all these posts, I can honestly say that I'm not going to look down on a toy just because it was made in China (though truthfully I never much thought about it).
12/30/2011
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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I am going to do some research on extraction and disposability of lithium vs. disposability of standard batteries before getting back to you... both are bad, but my gut says lithium is worse... but I don't know for sure, so I'm going to poke ... more
I guess I view eco-friendly on a slightly smaller scale. Something that will last me longer seems more green to me in that I'm not constantly throwing one away and purchasing another, more packaging, etc.

I would say that this is definitely not any -more- green than lots of toys already available, though.. but compared to the toys of yesteryear, it's progress.
01/04/2012
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Ghost
lol. I will take up your challenge.

Silicone (or, more specifically, consumer grade silicone) is considered "environmentally friendly" for a few reasons:
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Well, okay. Assume then when I die or this toy dies it just gets thrown in the trash. Is that better or worse than, say, throwing a standard jelly vibe with a couple AAs in it away? Because, let's be honest.. that's the real world situation.
01/04/2012
Contributor: Ghost Ghost
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Well, okay. Assume then when I die or this toy dies it just gets thrown in the trash. Is that better or worse than, say, throwing a standard jelly vibe with a couple AAs in it away? Because, let's be honest.. that's the real world situation.
I did mention "However, this property is only "environmentally friendly" if you continue to re-use the product, and don't throw it away." Basically, silicone is "greener" to produce and "greener" while in use, than PVC/jelly. However, in the case that neither toy is recycled in some way, neither is environmentally friendly.

Take it as you will!
01/04/2012
Contributor: potstickers potstickers
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Originally posted by Ghost
I did mention "However, this property is only "environmentally friendly" if you continue to re-use the product, and don't throw it away." Basically, silicone is "greener" to produce and "greener" while in ... more
Silicone toys will generally last longer than PVC and definitely jelly, so you don't have to buy 5 of the PVC or jelly toy to have a toy the same length of time you'd have the silicone toy.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
I guess I view eco-friendly on a slightly smaller scale. Something that will last me longer seems more green to me in that I'm not constantly throwing one away and purchasing another, more packaging, etc.

I would say that this is ... more
I'll go along with that.

This wound up being a really difficult topic to get solid answers for, anyhow, because everyone defines life cycles differently, so numbers are all disagreeing.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Chirple Chirple
I'd make a case that the high price actually makes it more "green", from a perspective. Being that for the average person, that's a considerable amount to drop on a toy, meaning they are more likely to take care of it and dispose of it properly since it's more of a "semi-major purchase" than a $6 vibe that is largely "disposable" to most.

Plus, who could just chuck a Leaf ? They're too cute.
01/06/2012
Contributor: indiglo indiglo
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Originally posted by Ghost
lol. I will take up your challenge.

Silicone (or, more specifically, consumer grade silicone) is considered "environmentally friendly" for a few reasons:
1) The main ingredient used in its production is silica (sand), which is ... more
Fascinating! I love learning this kind of stuff. Thanks!
01/06/2012
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Antipova
I'll go along with that.

This wound up being a really difficult topic to get solid answers for, anyhow, because everyone defines life cycles differently, so numbers are all disagreeing.
So.. you lied to me?! You promised answers and.. nothing?! Well now.. I don't know what to say about that.

Do you like ponies?
01/06/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
So.. you lied to me?! You promised answers and.. nothing?! Well now.. I don't know what to say about that.

Do you like ponies?
Very much.

(Campaign promises are tricky! Better to come back and say "I'm not sure" than to make up a bullshit answer so I sound smart, right? I mean, I can give you a non-supported gut-feeling answer, but I would feel all irresponsible!)

^only mildly radioactive pony.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Ghost Ghost
Well, there are no really "hard and fast" answers for things like that. For me, the bottom line is deciding "which is the lesser of two evils?" and "what is the most responsible way to use these materials?"

I hope you weren't saying I gave bullshit answer, though. I'd feel bad.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by Ghost
Well, there are no really "hard and fast" answers for things like that. For me, the bottom line is deciding "which is the lesser of two evils?" and "what is the most responsible way to use these materials?"

I hope ... more
No way! Everythign you said was good. Especially the silicone v. jelly bits---I didn't even say anything about that because you nailed it.

I was just saying---I had promised to research whether rechargeable lithium batteries are better or worse in the long run than consumer-replaceable rechargeables and better or worse than good ol' coppertops. And I failed to come up with a solid conclusion.

So I was just reporting my failure to have a solid answer. Your answers were great, and you established your scope of certainty very well.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Ghost Ghost
Ok, I feel this way now. Thanks for reminding me that I was supposed to write up a little research for a different post. >_>
01/06/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by Ghost
Ok, I feel this way now. Thanks for reminding me that I was supposed to write up a little research for a different post. >_>
Aw Pony hugs!

I'll probably follow you there and see what you say!
01/06/2012
Contributor: Stinkytofu10 Stinkytofu10
Honestly I'm fed up with people seeing only "Made in China" or "Made in (insert 2nd or 3rd world country here)" and blaming the whole country for a faulty product.

Have you ever thought about how incorrect and narrow-minded that prejudice is? I'm not even going to go into examples of what people from other parts of the world blame the United States for one product they received, thinking it to be "proudly made in the USA" and then having it break the next day. Wouldn't that be equally ridiculous and prejudiced?

The bottom line is, a faulty product is almost NEVER the responsibility of the manufacturer. If the company puts their label on it, they commission the production, they oversee the end quality. If the product gets shipped to consumers like you and me, you can rest assured that it's the parent company who approved of the manufactured products they received from a 2nd or 3rd world country.

JimmyJane products are all made in China, yet they have the longest warranty out of any adult toy company - 3 years. If they really doubted the products that were "made in China," do you think they would actually offer that incredible warranty?

If Leaf advertises their products as "environmentally friendly," which country do you think their marketing, sales, and PR department resides in? Of course not a 2nd or 3rd world country!

Seriously, think twice about posting this type of thoughtless, insulting, and prejudiced remarks on the forums.
01/06/2012
Contributor: wrmbreze wrmbreze
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Originally posted by Stinkytofu10
Honestly I'm fed up with people seeing only "Made in China" or "Made in (insert 2nd or 3rd world country here)" and blaming the whole country for a faulty product.

Have you ever thought about how incorrect and ... more
I agree and as someone who worked for an unnamed( W**M***) company more things than you know are made in China. I am not sure if this is true but I was told that as long as the product was FINISHED in the USA they can tack Made In The USA on any product- for example if I outsource to say India and they were sewing some clothing for me. They would sew 3 sides in India then ship it to my factory in the USA, where the 4th side would be sewn and a nice cutesy little tag would be added that said MADE IN USA... Its something to think about.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Missmarc Missmarc
HI Oxygen99, I want to first ask you that where you got the information that “China has practically non-existent environmental regulations. I mean, they literally dump industrial waste into rivers”. Have you been to China and personally seen people dumping industrial waste into rivers?

Every country, including America has to pay the environmental price when developing their economy. China is trying to make the country a better place, trust me. I was born there, and I go back there from time to time to visit relatives. Every time I go back, the place changes ten-fold. They have been trying to grow more trees, build more parks, create a sustainable forest out of the Gobi desert, and yes, that includes more environmental regulations.

China is a country with roughly 1.3 billion people. I was taught when I was little that more than 78% of Chinese population are farmers (this statistic has probably changed by now), with only about 15% of its land cultivatable. Growing up, my family was relatively well off, and I was taught everyday with frugal values. Every grain of rice contains the blood and sweat of the Chinese farmers. Not wasting food is morally ingrained in me, and I try to clean my plates every time I eat.

Needless to say, the life of a Chinese farmer is very cut-throat and competitive. When you are competing with so many people for basic survival, it’s actually hard to care about the environment. Some Chinese families in rural areas of China literally have a whole family sharing 1 pair of pants (whoever needs to go outside gets to wear it).

With the way the capitalistic global economy works, there are manufacturers that adhere to the environmental regulations, and there are ones that don’t. The ones that don’t adhere to regulations have more competitive pricing to survive in the American market. It’s solely up to the American company to pick which manufacturer they want. American companies get to tour the Chinese facilities before they sign any agreements.

I understand the need for patriotism, but with the speed information travels nowadays, it’s hard to compartmentalize countries. Imagine if American consumers saved the money they would be spending on luxury toys, and gave it to the poor Chinese families, the world would be a better place. Of course, not many people think this way.

Please remember, the toys that are “Made in China” are designed, checked and backed up by the America/European Companies. Whether it’s eco-friendly, well-made or well-designed is solely based on the parent companies.
America cannot afford to abstain from trading with China, and vice versa. My guess is you will be seeing many “Made in China” products on American market for a long time to come.

We can spend years and years going through human history and psychology, trying to analyze/argue/debate how the world end up to be a place like this, or we can try and make a difference in our own little way. Teach people around you to not waste food and clean their dinner plates. That can be just as environmentally friendly as making products in the USA.
01/06/2012
Contributor: badk1tty badk1tty
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This might be a little bit of a rant, so bare with me.

First off; I try as hard as I can to only use vibes and dils that are made in the US. I think outsourcing sucks and I try to do my part to support American businesses. Companies ... more
I do my best to keep things in my home that are US made, but it's inevitable with some things :/
01/06/2012
Contributor: UnknownGirl UnknownGirl
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HI Oxygen99, I want to first ask you that where you got the information that “China has practically non-existent environmental regulations. I mean, they literally dump industrial waste into rivers”. Have you been to China and personally seen people ... more
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If you'd like to read more, it's takes about 30 seconds to do a google search.

This isn't some bullshit I made up. The environmental crisis in China is a very well documented problem.
01/07/2012
Contributor: Missmarc Missmarc
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Originally posted by UnknownGirl
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If you'd like to read more, it's takes about 30 seconds to do a google search.

This isn't some bullshit I made up. The environmental crisis in China is a very well documented problem. ... more
It also takes about 30 seconds to do a Google search to find many pictures of environmental issues in the US or many other countries. "Environmental crisis" is apparent around the world instead of just in China. China didn't contribute to global warming alone. It was still a mostly agricultural country after the Second Industrial Revolution in Europe. I find it very hypocritical how first world countries have polluted the Earth since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, and when 2nd or 3rd world countries are trying to catch up, turn around and point fingers at them. That's exactly what you're trying to do here.

Again, where did you get the information that there is NO environmental regulations in China? I can tell you right now that it is NOT LEGAL in China to dump industrial waste into rivers. Now, do people strictly enforce the law? That's up to them. In every country, there are people disobeying the law.

I remember walking on the street of California where there were signs that tells people they will receive a $200 fine if they litter trash into the drain that drains to the bay. However, just around every drain I can see trash, plastic bags, bottles etc. I am sure most people in the US have littered trash into some kind of water in their lifetime.

Again, I don't see the reason to single China out. To be honest, the Chinese don't understand why Americans drive so far just to get food. Doesn't the driving contribute to the GLOBAL environmental crisis? With more than FOUR times the population as the United States, imagine if every Chinese person had American values and way of life, and drove cars like Americans. What would that do to the environment?

I walk downtown in any major city in the US and I will find piles of filth that are environmentally hazardous. There are plenty of sensational books, films, articles, that document environmental crises in the U.S. Just off the top of my head, films like Inconvenient Truth, Fast Food Nation, What Happened to the Electric Car...all kinds of sensational images come from just those three documentaries.

In every country, there are good areas and bad areas. For every picture you try to search on Google for environmental crisis in China, I can pretty much assure you the same can be found in America. Another product comes to mind when I think about American products: corn. Corn is the most important crop in America, and it not only drives the entire food industry, but it is used for a plethora of manufacturing processes. The production of corn itself is very environmentally damaging. One search in Google (and it didn’t take 30 seconds, it only took 2) shows an in-depth report on the environmental effects of growing corn in the United States. From fertilizer, pesticides, energy and fuel consumption, to the nitrogen, phosphate production levels, to the negative impacts on water quality, biodiversity, irreparable damage to wildlife and habitats, the evidence is overwhelmingly clear. The study “King Corn: The History, Trade and Environmental Consequences of Corn (Maize) Production in the United States” can be found here: link

It’s a study conducted by an organization backed by first world countries, WWF. Now what if people from other countries said, “This isn’t some bull$@# we made up. The environmental crisis in America is a very well-documented problem.” What if they proposed a boycott of corn, and all its subsidiary products, made in the United States?

In fact, I encourage you to do what you seem so adamant about doing: go ahead and boycott all products from any country that is not a first world country. Go ahead, and try it. But first, throw away your computer please At least one part of it was made in China, if not the whole thing.
I know most Americans will probably never change the way they think about China or products made in China. It’s the way most Americans are conditioned to think, by the media, unless they are first-generation immigrants. I don’t intend on changing anyone’s opinion, I am merely trying to present another point of view, as someone who has traveled all over the U.S. and China.
01/07/2012
Contributor: Errant Venture Errant Venture
I'm on the side of Missmarc, here. I don't view China as the technological bogie man. I own some good quality devices made in China. As well as some not very well made ones. Just like I have well made US things, and poorly made US things. And well made and poorly made German things. And Japanese things. Swiss things. And Aussie things. I haven't tried anything from the Leaf line, yet, but I'm not going to hold the fact that it's made in China against it. I prefer to judge these things on a case by case basis.
01/07/2012
Contributor: Rossie Rossie
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Originally posted by Stinkytofu10
Honestly I'm fed up with people seeing only "Made in China" or "Made in (insert 2nd or 3rd world country here)" and blaming the whole country for a faulty product.

Have you ever thought about how incorrect and ... more
I totally agree with what you've said. It is the parent company's responsibility to watch over their products from start to finish. A reliable company will make sure they have full control over the production line, with their quality control team doing inspection every step of the way, no matter what country their manufacturers are located. To make it short, do your research and buy from reputable companies, who will not cut corners and place their orders with some irresponsible, second rated factories. In fact, most large companies set up their own production plants overseas, so it's pointless to blame the quality of products on the country that it was made in.
01/07/2012