I know, weird of me to be answering this question, but I have been on some sites to buy things I can't find here at Eden and some of those have been sites aimed for a gay male audience. One thing they know about will, is their lube! I am going to PM you a link or two. Here are some brand names: Elbow Grease, FistPowder, Shaft

And here's an example: of one with the description:

Gun Oil Stroke 29 - here's the copy for this one:

"Stroke 29 is a premium cream lubricant, is designed to take jerking off to a whole new level. Unlike silicone and water-based lubricants, this thick, non-greasy formula provides more than just wet slipperiness. As the cream heats up from repetitive stroking, the product texture transforms, at or around the 29th stroke, to simulate the sensation of aroused human tissue. With the combination of heat and friction, a guy might actually forget he's using his own hand. Stroke 29 provides a glide unlike any other lubricant available. The product's viscosity stays intact and doesn't break down during its transformation, so there is no need to re-apply.

Stroke 29 skin-beneficial almond oil, Aloe Vera and Vitamin E and is fragrance and irritant-free. Not recommended for use with latex condoms. Approximately 33 explosions per tube."

Oh that so sounds like something we need here!

You know, you're right; I think many of the male shoppers here are lookiing for new products for them (versus another clit vibe, lol!). You would not believe the variety of stuff out there that I usually only see on gay sites. One product is very interesting, though more from a penetrtion standpoint, than a jacking off one. They have a product originally developed by veterinarians to assist in medical and obestric prodecures involving farm animals, allowing them to insert their hand or arm into them if need be (sorry, tried not to be unpleasantly graphic, but it is an adult site, right?) A cool thing about J-Lube is that it comes in a powder form! You mix up what you want, but imagine the ease of travel; no more horrid leaks! (They also sell it in a gel form, already mixed up for you.)

This might sound silly, but my favorite water based lube is simply good old fashioned Astroglide. It requires a little bit of reapplication after a while, but it doesn't ever feel like it's getting sticky.

Sounds interesting, maybe there's a big difference between the different brands and products.

Did you check your PMs? I sent you links! I mentioned coconut oil and olive oil, but nothing wrong with almond oil except it goes rancid more quickly than the others I mentioned (and that coconut oil is also antimicrobial)


Umm, spelling there Mr! dosis facit venenum --num, not mum. Anyway, you have an excellent point, of course! Since the amount of capsaicin is so variable per pepper, without a standard extract, I would be extremely hesitant to just make my own extract. However, suum cuique!


And I think rather than chilli pepper , you would be safer putting a tiny sprinkle of cinnamon powder in the oil (the essential oil you can buy is highly irritating to the skin of many and it would be too difficult to control the amount by soaking a piece of the bark in the oil, thus the powder idea). Cinnamon also has topical antimicrobial properties which can't be bad! Of course, anything that warms the skin is likey a rubefacient and I'm sure you know to be careful you crazy scientist as you referred to above (in Latin, I love you, you nerd)!

Oh man, we're getting all organic up in here!

OK, how about using hair conditioner, unlike soap, no sting and someone else recommended shaving cream. But, in my PM to Eugler I mentioned that many of the forums dedicated to this topic recommend Albolene a moisturizing cleanser/makeup remover that liquefies on contact & is a combination of mineral oil + paraffin. Men swear by Albolene, so I'd definitely check it out!

How's that for non-organic? lol!

Thank you for your PMs. I love you too.

I have just found your messages after writing the post above. These prouducts really sound great.

I was just researching a little for the DIY-lube: chili oil has to simmer a few days before the capsaicin is solved to the grade of saturation. Cinnamon sounds interesting, too. I have quite a lot of my homegrown chilis which adds a little surprise effect to the whole venture.

Ah! A fellow gardener! I should have suspected! I am a huge organic gardening geek and seed saver who collects & grows seeds (mostly for edibles) from around the world. If it's a different color than anything I've grown, or new varieties or plants (new to me), then I want to try it myself and usually you just can't unless you grow it yourself. Besides home grown is fresher and with all your control over things, often tastier! There are so many neat foods most American's don't even know about (I'm not interested in eating bugs, etc., just the plants, ha!). I have found that almost every heirloom variety I have tried has tasted better than modern varieties and if not better tasting, they often have a good reason to grow them such as better storage, insect resistance. Where do you live Eugler (you can tell me in a PM if you want to keep it private)? Wanna swap seeds? Or just talk gardening? I bet with your science background you are doing all kinds of interesting things with your plants! Unfortunately, I cannot tolerate any level of capsaicin, *sob*, so no delicious chili peppers for me. However, I can grow them to give to others, if I'm careful to wear protective clothing. Sorry that I just subverted your thread, hahah! We now return yo our regular programming... oh yes, lubes! Let me know if you try the Abolene and how you like it! That liquefying idea of it is the same they used for Stroke 29!