I have a friend who has had 5 children. All of them have a different father except for the one set of twins. Also she doesn't have custody of any of them. She has had an IUD put in twice but then she has taken them out herself by using tampons. My question is do you think birth control should be mandatory for persons who have had multiple children even though they can't care for them?
Birth control- should it be mandatory ?
06/26/2012
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I understand what you are saying.
But who would determine who has to take it? With all the concerns in place over abortions and women saying it's my body, my choice, there would be an uproar over this. I mean think of it this way, China and one child policy. Many people in the world has issues and concerns with this law that China has. But it is in effect for population and safety. There is a valid reason for it.
But you have to look at it from all angles. Many people in modern countries take things to the extreme. They would say this is against their rights as a human, an invasion of privacy, and then what comes next? Forced sterilisation? (yes, that is extreme)
For me personally, I would say your friend doesn't want children because she did get IUD's but they were pulled out from tampon use. I'd suggest to her a different form of birth control.
But then again... an IUD does not change the hormone levels that naturally occur in the body. And the pills and shots do. So that is another issue with birth control being mandatory. Who would pay for it, and who would be responsible for the side effects of horomonal birth control? Clots, bone density, and all the others.
I say just work on making the male shot pass all the testing, make it and condoms free as the side effects of these... well I don't know of the possible side effects of the male shot to be honest. Or just make birth control free altogether.
Could you imagine if someone were to say that all teenage boys must get the male shot at the age of twelve as part of their physical? Can you imagine that uproar?
But who would determine who has to take it? With all the concerns in place over abortions and women saying it's my body, my choice, there would be an uproar over this. I mean think of it this way, China and one child policy. Many people in the world has issues and concerns with this law that China has. But it is in effect for population and safety. There is a valid reason for it.
But you have to look at it from all angles. Many people in modern countries take things to the extreme. They would say this is against their rights as a human, an invasion of privacy, and then what comes next? Forced sterilisation? (yes, that is extreme)
For me personally, I would say your friend doesn't want children because she did get IUD's but they were pulled out from tampon use. I'd suggest to her a different form of birth control.
But then again... an IUD does not change the hormone levels that naturally occur in the body. And the pills and shots do. So that is another issue with birth control being mandatory. Who would pay for it, and who would be responsible for the side effects of horomonal birth control? Clots, bone density, and all the others.
I say just work on making the male shot pass all the testing, make it and condoms free as the side effects of these... well I don't know of the possible side effects of the male shot to be honest. Or just make birth control free altogether.
Could you imagine if someone were to say that all teenage boys must get the male shot at the age of twelve as part of their physical? Can you imagine that uproar?
06/26/2012
You can't fix the problem. People are the problem, or more exactly how people behave is the problem. You can write every rule you can think of to solve a people related problem, but it will not work. You can not remove human behavior out of the issue. I deal with this everyday at work with the safety team. When someone screws up, they rewrite safety procedures. The procedures are not the problem, the problem is the people who choose to ignore them.
06/26/2012
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I would agree with you except she does want kids thats why she pulls them out. The first one she did was a month after she got it and got pregnant right after. The second one was in a little longer, about 9 months after. The only reason it stayed in so long was because she was single. As soon as she got a boyfriend, out it came. Yes we shouldn't make women do this but in her case I would make her do it. BTW she has a habit of using drugs while pregnant. She doesn't work (she is trying to get on disability). Most of the time she is homeless or is shacked up with a guy, She is on probation for injury to a disable, and the courts took the last 3 kids and put them with her mother. She doesn't work because she's lazy and wants others to take care of her. She wants others to pay her probation, court ordered child support, buy her cigarettes, cell phone bill, and whatever else. The courts would have given her the kids back if she had gotten a job and a place to live oh and if she hadn't been 30 to 45 minutes late to court. When they asked her why she was late she told them,"because I was getting ready." no I'm sorry or anything. I'm the kids Godmother and that's why I'm so upset about it.
Originally posted by
Woman China
I understand what you are saying.
But who would determine who has to take it? With all the concerns in place over abortions and women saying it's my body, my choice, there would be an uproar over this. I mean think of it this way, China ... more
But who would determine who has to take it? With all the concerns in place over abortions and women saying it's my body, my choice, there would be an uproar over this. I mean think of it this way, China ... more
I understand what you are saying.
But who would determine who has to take it? With all the concerns in place over abortions and women saying it's my body, my choice, there would be an uproar over this. I mean think of it this way, China and one child policy. Many people in the world has issues and concerns with this law that China has. But it is in effect for population and safety. There is a valid reason for it.
But you have to look at it from all angles. Many people in modern countries take things to the extreme. They would say this is against their rights as a human, an invasion of privacy, and then what comes next? Forced sterilisation? (yes, that is extreme)
For me personally, I would say your friend doesn't want children because she did get IUD's but they were pulled out from tampon use. I'd suggest to her a different form of birth control.
But then again... an IUD does not change the hormone levels that naturally occur in the body. And the pills and shots do. So that is another issue with birth control being mandatory. Who would pay for it, and who would be responsible for the side effects of horomonal birth control? Clots, bone density, and all the others.
I say just work on making the male shot pass all the testing, make it and condoms free as the side effects of these... well I don't know of the possible side effects of the male shot to be honest. Or just make birth control free altogether.
Could you imagine if someone were to say that all teenage boys must get the male shot at the age of twelve as part of their physical? Can you imagine that uproar? less
But who would determine who has to take it? With all the concerns in place over abortions and women saying it's my body, my choice, there would be an uproar over this. I mean think of it this way, China and one child policy. Many people in the world has issues and concerns with this law that China has. But it is in effect for population and safety. There is a valid reason for it.
But you have to look at it from all angles. Many people in modern countries take things to the extreme. They would say this is against their rights as a human, an invasion of privacy, and then what comes next? Forced sterilisation? (yes, that is extreme)
For me personally, I would say your friend doesn't want children because she did get IUD's but they were pulled out from tampon use. I'd suggest to her a different form of birth control.
But then again... an IUD does not change the hormone levels that naturally occur in the body. And the pills and shots do. So that is another issue with birth control being mandatory. Who would pay for it, and who would be responsible for the side effects of horomonal birth control? Clots, bone density, and all the others.
I say just work on making the male shot pass all the testing, make it and condoms free as the side effects of these... well I don't know of the possible side effects of the male shot to be honest. Or just make birth control free altogether.
Could you imagine if someone were to say that all teenage boys must get the male shot at the age of twelve as part of their physical? Can you imagine that uproar? less
06/26/2012
I can understand your frustration. In my life, I have come across similar types of people, and I sometimes think some people don't have any business having kids. However, forcing people to use birth control has far-reaching implications as far as personal freedom goes. I know that some states are now paying for birth control for those receiving public assistance in hopes that the recipients won't have any more kids that they can't support. However, even they can't ensure that the person complies with the proper use of the method provided. As much as I would love to see certain people not having kids, I am weary of any measure that could threaten the freedoms of other responsible citizens.
06/26/2012
I understand where you're coming from but it would be far too difficult to maintain, who would say who has to take it and who shouldn't. I believe they SHOULD use birth control but I don't believe it should be forced on anyone.
06/26/2012
I agree with all of you. We as women know that if it was done for one that it would end up for all. I love my God children and wouldn't give them up for anything however their mother is another story. My husband thinks that if welfare was withheld or denied from people who refused to work or are having more and more kids to get more assistance then it might slow or stop. This would not hurt people who need the help in the short term or the ones who are disabled. He feels it would be on a case by case basis but that persons like her would not get rewarded or helped for having so many kids and no job. He also feels that if you are on welfare then the state or government should be allowed to do drug testing. If people were drug tested then maybe there wouldn't be so many on welfare i.e. medicaid. My tax dollars pay for people to get help to get on their feet not be lazy and multiply while using drugs. Your thoughts?
06/27/2012
Your friend is an entitled leech, and state-mandated birth control wouldn't help. The only that would help would be for her to grow up and realize that the millions of people in this country weren't put here simply so she can continue to enjoy herself.
07/09/2012
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