Of course!
Gay marriage: yay or nay?
05/15/2012
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Nope! and I'm not arguing, so please don't start any debate.
Originally posted by
GenesisWriter
Hmm? Yay for me!
05/15/2012
I think if we can't let gay people marry then we ban marriage altogether. Its a stupid concept if you think about it anyway.
05/15/2012
In favor, most definitely. To quote the Iowa Supreme Court's (unanimous) ruling that allowed for same-sex marriage in this state: "We are firmly convinced the exclusion of gay and lesbian people from the institution of civil marriage does not substantially further any important governmental objective. The legislature has excluded a historically disfavored class of persons from a supremely important civil institution without a constitutionally sufficient justification. There is no material fact, genuinely in dispute, that can affect this determination."
05/15/2012
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George Takei is awesome! That response was a fantastic response against that ignorant law that was passed in Tennessee...
Originally posted by
WhoopieDoo
ZOMG I was about to post that!
05/15/2012
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YES!!! Finally, someone gets it!
Originally posted by
Falsepast
I think if we can't let gay people marry then we ban marriage altogether. Its a stupid concept if you think about it anyway.
05/15/2012
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nope. in the Bible it clearly states that marriage is between a man and woman. 1 Corinthians 6
Originally posted by
Falsepast
I think if we can't let gay people marry then we ban marriage altogether. Its a stupid concept if you think about it anyway.
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
05/15/2012
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EXACTLY! This is exactly how I feel! It's simply ridiculous! Here's the thing about rights. They arn't supposed to be voted on that's why they call them rights!
Originally posted by
P'Gell
Yea! Love matters. Genitals and what you do with them should have nothing to do with who other people think you "should" be allowed to fall in love with or marry.
Why should only hetero people be allowed the benefits, joys, and ... more
Why should only hetero people be allowed the benefits, joys, and ... more
Yea! Love matters. Genitals and what you do with them should have nothing to do with who other people think you "should" be allowed to fall in love with or marry.
Why should only hetero people be allowed the benefits, joys, and protection marriage offers?
Also, what other people do or who they marry doesn't effect my marriage in the least. If I were to really care, I'd say other people getting heterosexual divorce has a stronger impact on my marriage than anything else. Yet, I don't want to deny anyone the right to that.
HOW could two gay men or two lesbian women getting married have ANY impact on the "sanctity" of my marriage, one way or the other? My husband and I are responsible for our marriage and letting gay and lesbian people marry whom they love doesn't.... can't negatively effect our marriage at all. We'd both be happy if it were legal. less
Why should only hetero people be allowed the benefits, joys, and protection marriage offers?
Also, what other people do or who they marry doesn't effect my marriage in the least. If I were to really care, I'd say other people getting heterosexual divorce has a stronger impact on my marriage than anything else. Yet, I don't want to deny anyone the right to that.
HOW could two gay men or two lesbian women getting married have ANY impact on the "sanctity" of my marriage, one way or the other? My husband and I are responsible for our marriage and letting gay and lesbian people marry whom they love doesn't.... can't negatively effect our marriage at all. We'd both be happy if it were legal. less
05/15/2012
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I don't quite understand. I'm probably not going to watch an hour long video, though. HOW could gay marriage "raise illegitimacy?" I mean... two guys or two woman can't.... never mind.... And increasing poverty or government assistance? Gay male couples usually have a higher standard of living and are in a higher income bracket than most hetero marriages. And I have serious issue with the idea that anyone is saying this stuff is "proven." WHERE? It's one of the many many reasons I am finding myself less and less likely to talk to Evangelical Conservatives. I just don't have the time or the patience for intolerant people.
Originally posted by
Errant Venture
I'm for gay marriage. I'm currently engaged in a debate on another forum on this very topic. The man I'm talking to kind of gets my goat a little. It's very difficult to maintain an objective stance when he says such things as
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I'm for gay marriage. I'm currently engaged in a debate on another forum on this very topic. The man I'm talking to kind of gets my goat a little. It's very difficult to maintain an objective stance when he says such things as 'gay marriage promotes deviant lifestyles that have been proven to have a detrimental effect on society, raise illegitimacy and out of wedlock births, increase poverty and government dependence, among many other negative effects on society.'. Riiight. Anyway, a friend of mine showed me a video that I wanted to share. It's a look at the Bible's stance on homosexuality, and that it's not as anti-gay as people believe. It's an hour long video, but very informative.
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05/15/2012
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I don't quite understand. I'm probably not going to watch an hour long video, though. HOW could gay marriage "raise illegitimacy?" I mean... two guys or two woman can't.... never mind.... And increasing poverty or government assistance? Gay male couples usually have a higher standard of living and are in a higher income bracket than most hetero marriages. And I have serious issue with the idea that anyone is saying this stuff is "proven." WHERE? It's one of the many many reasons I am finding myself less and less likely to talk to Evangelical Conservatives. I just don't have the time or the patience for intolerant people.
Originally posted by
Errant Venture
I'm for gay marriage. I'm currently engaged in a debate on another forum on this very topic. The man I'm talking to kind of gets my goat a little. It's very difficult to maintain an objective stance when he says such things as
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I'm for gay marriage. I'm currently engaged in a debate on another forum on this very topic. The man I'm talking to kind of gets my goat a little. It's very difficult to maintain an objective stance when he says such things as 'gay marriage promotes deviant lifestyles that have been proven to have a detrimental effect on society, raise illegitimacy and out of wedlock births, increase poverty and government dependence, among many other negative effects on society.'. Riiight. Anyway, a friend of mine showed me a video that I wanted to share. It's a look at the Bible's stance on homosexuality, and that it's not as anti-gay as people believe. It's an hour long video, but very informative.
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05/15/2012
I feel you can't tell the heart who to love.
05/15/2012
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Our Founding Fathers made it clear The United States Government is NOT a Bible Based Country. Period.
Originally posted by
mama2007
nope. in the Bible it clearly states that marriage is between a man and woman. 1 Corinthians 6
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
Learn history. The Bible also said it is "an abomination" to wear fabric or two different fibers. Do you do that? It's an "abomination" ; (which the word in ancient Hebrew it was taken from simply meant "unusual" not "BAD") to eat pork, or shellfish. Do you do that? It OK to sell people into slavery, including your own daughters? Low on money? The Bible says it's OK to sell your daughters into slavery if money gets tight. WHERE does one draw the line when looking at 3,000 year old "laws" many of which were misinterpreted by modern scholars, in todays' world? If you are going to live by Deut and Leviticus, LIVE BY ALL OF IT. Have a good time selling your kids into slavery, shutting down your life at sundown on Friday, (that means NO electricity, no cooking, NO TV, nothing) until sundown Saturday, bizarre food rules (no cheeseburgers, as you can't mix milk and meat, and certainly NO bacon cheeseburgers, as that's TWO "abominations&quo t; at one time) It wasn't meant for US!
You can't just pick and choose the Mosaic "rules" that only effect other people and leave the rules alone that would make YOUR life inconvenient.
It's the 21st Century. We were not meant to live by Deuteronomy or Leviticus unless you accept the entire thing These books were meant for Ancient Hebrews who followed Moses into the desert, not for people today. PLUS, the USA was NOT based on this ancient book.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and others made that VERY clear.
05/15/2012
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100% agreed!
Originally posted by
PropertyOfPotter
well said!!
05/15/2012
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Doesn't matter if it's banned in a state or not. Eventually there will be a federal law against the discrimination. It's discrimination no matter how you look at it. Bible has no place in a reasoning behind a law. Just because one man's bible says something doesn't mean that's how things should be. You wouldn't like it if the bible you are referring to wasn't the bible you follow. NO bible/religion should be taken into context for any law otherwise religion can run the country. That is why we left England. We came to the US so everyone could be free of religion and the freedom to do as we wish. If we allow one religion's bible to set the laws then we came here to have our own religion rule, not to have freedom from religion.
Originally posted by
mama2007
nope. in the Bible it clearly states that marriage is between a man and woman. 1 Corinthians 6
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
05/15/2012
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if people wanted it legal who are in the congress and such, it would be already. it's not and im sure religion is a lot to do with it and I'm glad. I've never seen/heard so many people in "agreement" with gay marriage til this post. everyone i know except maybe 2 people are against it.
Originally posted by
P'Gell
Our Founding Fathers made it clear The United States Government is NOT a Bible Based Country. Period.
Learn history. The Bible also said it is "an abomination" to wear fabric or two different fibers. Do you do that? It's an ... more
Learn history. The Bible also said it is "an abomination" to wear fabric or two different fibers. Do you do that? It's an ... more
Our Founding Fathers made it clear The United States Government is NOT a Bible Based Country. Period.
Learn history. The Bible also said it is "an abomination" to wear fabric or two different fibers. Do you do that? It's an "abomination" ; (which the word in ancient Hebrew it was taken from simply meant "unusual" not "BAD") to eat pork, or shellfish. Do you do that? It OK to sell people into slavery, including your own daughters? Low on money? The Bible says it's OK to sell your daughters into slavery if money gets tight. WHERE does one draw the line when looking at 3,000 year old "laws" many of which were misinterpreted by modern scholars, in todays' world? If you are going to live by Deut and Leviticus, LIVE BY ALL OF IT. Have a good time selling your kids into slavery, shutting down your life at sundown on Friday, (that means NO electricity, no cooking, NO TV, nothing) until sundown Saturday, bizarre food rules (no cheeseburgers, as you can't mix milk and meat, and certainly NO bacon cheeseburgers, as that's TWO "abominations&quo t; at one time) It wasn't meant for US!
You can't just pick and choose the Mosaic "rules" that only effect other people and leave the rules alone that would make YOUR life inconvenient.
It's the 21st Century. We were not meant to live by Deuteronomy or Leviticus unless you accept the entire thing These books were meant for Ancient Hebrews who followed Moses into the desert, not for people today. PLUS, the USA was NOT based on this ancient book.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and others made that VERY clear. less
Learn history. The Bible also said it is "an abomination" to wear fabric or two different fibers. Do you do that? It's an "abomination" ; (which the word in ancient Hebrew it was taken from simply meant "unusual" not "BAD") to eat pork, or shellfish. Do you do that? It OK to sell people into slavery, including your own daughters? Low on money? The Bible says it's OK to sell your daughters into slavery if money gets tight. WHERE does one draw the line when looking at 3,000 year old "laws" many of which were misinterpreted by modern scholars, in todays' world? If you are going to live by Deut and Leviticus, LIVE BY ALL OF IT. Have a good time selling your kids into slavery, shutting down your life at sundown on Friday, (that means NO electricity, no cooking, NO TV, nothing) until sundown Saturday, bizarre food rules (no cheeseburgers, as you can't mix milk and meat, and certainly NO bacon cheeseburgers, as that's TWO "abominations&quo t; at one time) It wasn't meant for US!
You can't just pick and choose the Mosaic "rules" that only effect other people and leave the rules alone that would make YOUR life inconvenient.
It's the 21st Century. We were not meant to live by Deuteronomy or Leviticus unless you accept the entire thing These books were meant for Ancient Hebrews who followed Moses into the desert, not for people today. PLUS, the USA was NOT based on this ancient book.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and others made that VERY clear. less
It states in 1 Corinthians 6 that certain sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and this is one of them.
And it's not an "anceient book". I'm a Christian and I firmly believe it's wrong as with abortion = murder, and other subjects that no one will ever agree on.
My answer is no i do not think it should be legal. keep it at that
05/15/2012
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luckily it's the government who gets to decide if it's legal not the church
Originally posted by
mama2007
nope. in the Bible it clearly states that marriage is between a man and woman. 1 Corinthians 6
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
And anyway, the bible also says that you can't eat shellfish, rabbits, pigs (no bacon!) amongst others. Also women are "unclean" for seven days after giving birth to a son (14 after giving birth to a daughter) as well as during their monthly period and may not enter any holy areas. It also details the exact way to prepare sacrifices to the church. All of this can be found in Leviticus alone.
The bible is a historical text written by people (not god) with outdated historical views. Many of the things listed were to protect peoples health, they couldn't eat certain things for fear of infection. Hundreds of years later and now we have the technology to safely prepare pork and these guidelines seem silly. The bible has some great guidelines for living but people don't recognize how outdated it is, they read it as an exact transcript of gods will instead of what it is, just a book nothing more.
05/15/2012
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It's not an ancient book? When was your bible written? because I'm pretty sure the christian one was written entirely before 100 AD...
Originally posted by
mama2007
if people wanted it legal who are in the congress and such, it would be already. it's not and im sure religion is a lot to do with it and I'm glad. I've never seen/heard so many people in "agreement" with gay marriage til this
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if people wanted it legal who are in the congress and such, it would be already. it's not and im sure religion is a lot to do with it and I'm glad. I've never seen/heard so many people in "agreement" with gay marriage til this post. everyone i know except maybe 2 people are against it.
It states in 1 Corinthians 6 that certain sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and this is one of them.
And it's not an "anceient book". I'm a Christian and I firmly believe it's wrong as with abortion = murder, and other subjects that no one will ever agree on.
My answer is no i do not think it should be legal. keep it at that less
It states in 1 Corinthians 6 that certain sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and this is one of them.
And it's not an "anceient book". I'm a Christian and I firmly believe it's wrong as with abortion = murder, and other subjects that no one will ever agree on.
My answer is no i do not think it should be legal. keep it at that less
I don't understand why people can't recognize it as a historical text just like any other book is regarded.
05/15/2012
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Everything takes time. It took war to have civil rights. It took strikes and protest for women's rights. Gay rights will be here one day as people fight for these rights.
Originally posted by
mama2007
if people wanted it legal who are in the congress and such, it would be already. it's not and im sure religion is a lot to do with it and I'm glad. I've never seen/heard so many people in "agreement" with gay marriage til this
...
more
if people wanted it legal who are in the congress and such, it would be already. it's not and im sure religion is a lot to do with it and I'm glad. I've never seen/heard so many people in "agreement" with gay marriage til this post. everyone i know except maybe 2 people are against it.
It states in 1 Corinthians 6 that certain sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and this is one of them.
And it's not an "anceient book". I'm a Christian and I firmly believe it's wrong as with abortion = murder, and other subjects that no one will ever agree on.
My answer is no i do not think it should be legal. keep it at that less
It states in 1 Corinthians 6 that certain sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and this is one of them.
And it's not an "anceient book". I'm a Christian and I firmly believe it's wrong as with abortion = murder, and other subjects that no one will ever agree on.
My answer is no i do not think it should be legal. keep it at that less
05/15/2012
arguments that rely completely upon a holy book oftentimes ring hollow at best. For one, there so many rules are disregarded without the same anger that gay marriage seems to evoke. leviticus 19:28 "'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD." or ""'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean." or "It is a sabbath of rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath." Not to mention the parts that ban blended fabric, or shaving.
Ours is not a society that adheres to every aspect of the bible, there is a lot of choice in the process, which brings up some issues. For one, why is it acceptable for someone to be tattooed, but not gay married? are one of these rules more important than the other and if so, what is the basis for this distinction?
If there is a basis for one part of leviticus to be more relevant than another, then using the bible as an argument fails. The main arguments against gay marriage that evoke the bible simply state that the bible forbids it. to make distinctions between rules not based upon scripture defeats the very basis of having rules. If they're all His law, then they must all be followed. If human logic is used to differentiate between the rules, then "the bible forbids it" is no longer a sufficient answer for why gay marriage is wrong. The bible forbids many things we don't consider "wrong" so what makes one superior to the other? The Rule of Law collapses when people pick and choose, because their weight, especially in regards to religion is based upon God's decree, to disobey would argue that we know better than God.
Yet, it seems that we do think we know better than God. Another issue is how these distinctions always benefit those making them. There's always a reason why I may break these codes, but other must not. People hold others to a moral code (not necessarily the bible) without any room for error or deviation, yet when it comes to themselves, there's always flexibility. Moral codes are never absolute when applied to ourselves, only when imposed upon others, but why? If discretion is allowed for one, why not all? Why is one person's infraction okay, while another person's is an affront?
Given these contradictions, simply references the bible is not a legitimate argument against gay marriage, unless it calls for strict adherence to all codes. Until the argument against gay marriage is made by someone who follows the bible completely, it will ring hollow. "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
Ours is not a society that adheres to every aspect of the bible, there is a lot of choice in the process, which brings up some issues. For one, why is it acceptable for someone to be tattooed, but not gay married? are one of these rules more important than the other and if so, what is the basis for this distinction?
If there is a basis for one part of leviticus to be more relevant than another, then using the bible as an argument fails. The main arguments against gay marriage that evoke the bible simply state that the bible forbids it. to make distinctions between rules not based upon scripture defeats the very basis of having rules. If they're all His law, then they must all be followed. If human logic is used to differentiate between the rules, then "the bible forbids it" is no longer a sufficient answer for why gay marriage is wrong. The bible forbids many things we don't consider "wrong" so what makes one superior to the other? The Rule of Law collapses when people pick and choose, because their weight, especially in regards to religion is based upon God's decree, to disobey would argue that we know better than God.
Yet, it seems that we do think we know better than God. Another issue is how these distinctions always benefit those making them. There's always a reason why I may break these codes, but other must not. People hold others to a moral code (not necessarily the bible) without any room for error or deviation, yet when it comes to themselves, there's always flexibility. Moral codes are never absolute when applied to ourselves, only when imposed upon others, but why? If discretion is allowed for one, why not all? Why is one person's infraction okay, while another person's is an affront?
Given these contradictions, simply references the bible is not a legitimate argument against gay marriage, unless it calls for strict adherence to all codes. Until the argument against gay marriage is made by someone who follows the bible completely, it will ring hollow. "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
05/15/2012
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thankfully it's taking forever for the laws to be agreed upon and will likely take a long time to get it legal in many states. not my problem.
Originally posted by
Bex1331
luckily it's the government who gets to decide if it's legal not the church
And anyway, the bible also says that you can't eat shellfish, rabbits, pigs (no bacon!) amongst others. Also women are "unclean" for seven days ... more
And anyway, the bible also says that you can't eat shellfish, rabbits, pigs (no bacon!) amongst others. Also women are "unclean" for seven days ... more
luckily it's the government who gets to decide if it's legal not the church
And anyway, the bible also says that you can't eat shellfish, rabbits, pigs (no bacon!) amongst others. Also women are "unclean" for seven days after giving birth to a son (14 after giving birth to a daughter) as well as during their monthly period and may not enter any holy areas. It also details the exact way to prepare sacrifices to the church. All of this can be found in Leviticus alone.
The bible is a historical text written by people (not god) with outdated historical views. Many of the things listed were to protect peoples health, they couldn't eat certain things for fear of infection. Hundreds of years later and now we have the technology to safely prepare pork and these guidelines seem silly. The bible has some great guidelines for living but people don't recognize how outdated it is, they read it as an exact transcript of gods will instead of what it is, just a book nothing more. less
And anyway, the bible also says that you can't eat shellfish, rabbits, pigs (no bacon!) amongst others. Also women are "unclean" for seven days after giving birth to a son (14 after giving birth to a daughter) as well as during their monthly period and may not enter any holy areas. It also details the exact way to prepare sacrifices to the church. All of this can be found in Leviticus alone.
The bible is a historical text written by people (not god) with outdated historical views. Many of the things listed were to protect peoples health, they couldn't eat certain things for fear of infection. Hundreds of years later and now we have the technology to safely prepare pork and these guidelines seem silly. The bible has some great guidelines for living but people don't recognize how outdated it is, they read it as an exact transcript of gods will instead of what it is, just a book nothing more. less
And yes Jesus did write part of the Bible - new testament - red written letters. Otherwise, it was disciples, other people, David and Moses. Read the Bible and you'll know what I'm talking about. I grew up in church and so are my kids. And it is accurate to say even though im not too sure what it means that a woman is unclean during period and after birth - not suppose to have sex during that time. some people do. for me - i waited 2.5 wks after i had my kids to.
If you don't like His teachings, then don't read the Bible. simple as that.
@bex1331 - i do not know when exactly it was written.
05/15/2012
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in fairness those in our immediate community are not a good sample size of the nation as a whole. If I took everyone I knew in my community as an indicator of the country, then I'd assume everyone wants pot legalized, free condoms and vasectomies for all, much higher taxes on the wealthy and another two seasons of community. A good sample size of the nation would require about 500-1000 people randomly selected from across the country, (excluding AK and HI) not those in our ton, or immediate circle of friends.
Originally posted by
mama2007
if people wanted it legal who are in the congress and such, it would be already. it's not and im sure religion is a lot to do with it and I'm glad. I've never seen/heard so many people in "agreement" with gay marriage til this
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if people wanted it legal who are in the congress and such, it would be already. it's not and im sure religion is a lot to do with it and I'm glad. I've never seen/heard so many people in "agreement" with gay marriage til this post. everyone i know except maybe 2 people are against it.
It states in 1 Corinthians 6 that certain sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and this is one of them.
And it's not an "anceient book". I'm a Christian and I firmly believe it's wrong as with abortion = murder, and other subjects that no one will ever agree on.
My answer is no i do not think it should be legal. keep it at that less
It states in 1 Corinthians 6 that certain sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and this is one of them.
And it's not an "anceient book". I'm a Christian and I firmly believe it's wrong as with abortion = murder, and other subjects that no one will ever agree on.
My answer is no i do not think it should be legal. keep it at that less
05/15/2012
To all the nayers out there.... Your Arguments are Invalid (under 4 minutes)
05/15/2012
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According to the bible being "unclean" means that they should be isolated and kept away from all religious institutions and men in general. This was another sanitary concern, they didn't have tampons so women were bleeding and literally "unclean" but obviously this is an outdated practice.
Originally posted by
mama2007
thankfully it's taking forever for the laws to be agreed upon and will likely take a long time to get it legal in many states. not my problem.
And yes Jesus did write part of the Bible - new testament - red written letters. Otherwise, it ... more
And yes Jesus did write part of the Bible - new testament - red written letters. Otherwise, it ... more
thankfully it's taking forever for the laws to be agreed upon and will likely take a long time to get it legal in many states. not my problem.
And yes Jesus did write part of the Bible - new testament - red written letters. Otherwise, it was disciples, other people, David and Moses. Read the Bible and you'll know what I'm talking about. I grew up in church and so are my kids. And it is accurate to say even though im not too sure what it means that a woman is unclean during period and after birth - not suppose to have sex during that time. some people do. for me - i waited 2.5 wks after i had my kids to.
If you don't like His teachings, then don't read the Bible. simple as that.
@bex1331 - i do not know when exactly it was written. less
And yes Jesus did write part of the Bible - new testament - red written letters. Otherwise, it was disciples, other people, David and Moses. Read the Bible and you'll know what I'm talking about. I grew up in church and so are my kids. And it is accurate to say even though im not too sure what it means that a woman is unclean during period and after birth - not suppose to have sex during that time. some people do. for me - i waited 2.5 wks after i had my kids to.
If you don't like His teachings, then don't read the Bible. simple as that.
@bex1331 - i do not know when exactly it was written. less
You had to wait after giving birth to have sex because your vaginal canal just had a trauma (a body came out of it) so it needs to heal. Also you're supposed to wait six weeks.
I have read the bible, and I didn't say it wasn't written by Jesus, I said it wasn't written by GOD. Jesus was a man as well, albeit amazing, and he himself has lapses in faith and was subject to the influences of his society and upbringing. The other men who wrote the bible were also men who, it's true, had a great connection to god and may have some good ideas, but they are not perfect. There is no book that is written that is completely unbiased and the bible is no different.
05/15/2012
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That is just awesome! I love it!!!
Originally posted by
BBW Talks Toys
To all the nayers out there.... Your Arguments are Invalid (under 4 minutes)
05/15/2012
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no one is perfect except for God
Originally posted by
Bex1331
According to the bible being "unclean" means that they should be isolated and kept away from all religious institutions and men in general. This was another sanitary concern, they didn't have tampons so women were bleeding and literally
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According to the bible being "unclean" means that they should be isolated and kept away from all religious institutions and men in general. This was another sanitary concern, they didn't have tampons so women were bleeding and literally "unclean" but obviously this is an outdated practice.
You had to wait after giving birth to have sex because your vaginal canal just had a trauma (a body came out of it) so it needs to heal. Also you're supposed to wait six weeks.
I have read the bible, and I didn't say it wasn't written by Jesus, I said it wasn't written by GOD. Jesus was a man as well, albeit amazing, and he himself has lapses in faith and was subject to the influences of his society and upbringing. The other men who wrote the bible were also men who, it's true, had a great connection to god and may have some good ideas, but they are not perfect. There is no book that is written that is completely unbiased and the bible is no different. less
You had to wait after giving birth to have sex because your vaginal canal just had a trauma (a body came out of it) so it needs to heal. Also you're supposed to wait six weeks.
I have read the bible, and I didn't say it wasn't written by Jesus, I said it wasn't written by GOD. Jesus was a man as well, albeit amazing, and he himself has lapses in faith and was subject to the influences of his society and upbringing. The other men who wrote the bible were also men who, it's true, had a great connection to god and may have some good ideas, but they are not perfect. There is no book that is written that is completely unbiased and the bible is no different. less
And i know what drs say, i was just saying i chose not to wait but 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 wks after my kids were born to do anything 3 1/2 and 4 1/2 yrs ago.
05/15/2012
If you choose not to watch the video, fine. But the biggest points that made sense in terms of THIS conversation were:
1) Our Founding Fathers instituted a separation of church and state.
2) The Bible is not a legal document.
3) Using religion as a reason to ban gay marriage does not give you freedom of religion, it's using religion to oppress people.
1) Our Founding Fathers instituted a separation of church and state.
2) The Bible is not a legal document.
3) Using religion as a reason to ban gay marriage does not give you freedom of religion, it's using religion to oppress people.
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The Bible also says it's better to marry than burn with lust. It says that marriage is a blessed union. It doesn't EVER say that marriage is between one man and one woman. Look at Solomon. He had HUNDREDS of wives. He also had HUNDREDS of concubines.
Originally posted by
mama2007
nope. in the Bible it clearly states that marriage is between a man and woman. 1 Corinthians 6
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
Your argument is INVALID.
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Isn't it?! I've probably watched the video 5 or 6 times.
Originally posted by
Beck
That is just awesome! I love it!!!
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"If you don't like His teachings, then don't read the Bible. simple as that."
Originally posted by
mama2007
thankfully it's taking forever for the laws to be agreed upon and will likely take a long time to get it legal in many states. not my problem.
And yes Jesus did write part of the Bible - new testament - red written letters. Otherwise, it ... more
And yes Jesus did write part of the Bible - new testament - red written letters. Otherwise, it ... more
thankfully it's taking forever for the laws to be agreed upon and will likely take a long time to get it legal in many states. not my problem.
And yes Jesus did write part of the Bible - new testament - red written letters. Otherwise, it was disciples, other people, David and Moses. Read the Bible and you'll know what I'm talking about. I grew up in church and so are my kids. And it is accurate to say even though im not too sure what it means that a woman is unclean during period and after birth - not suppose to have sex during that time. some people do. for me - i waited 2.5 wks after i had my kids to.
If you don't like His teachings, then don't read the Bible. simple as that.
@bex1331 - i do not know when exactly it was written. less
And yes Jesus did write part of the Bible - new testament - red written letters. Otherwise, it was disciples, other people, David and Moses. Read the Bible and you'll know what I'm talking about. I grew up in church and so are my kids. And it is accurate to say even though im not too sure what it means that a woman is unclean during period and after birth - not suppose to have sex during that time. some people do. for me - i waited 2.5 wks after i had my kids to.
If you don't like His teachings, then don't read the Bible. simple as that.
@bex1331 - i do not know when exactly it was written. less
Not really as simple as that because laws like the banning of gay marriage force those who don't like HIS teachings to live by them. And learn them. Religion has no place with any law. Because not everyone follows the same religion and there is no PROOF anyone religion is right. Allowing one to provide reasoning behind the laws only allows them to have more power. No one can say any GOD is right, therefore when laws are made they shouldn't include any religion. It's really as simple as that.
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Furthermore, 1 Cor 6 doesn't say anything about marriage. It does mention homosexuality, and comes out against it, but JESUS did not say anything about it. Let's not forget that the word that "homosexuality" is translated from in the Greek was not translated until the 20th century. Much later than the Bible was written. Not to mention, HOW do you know that it was translated correctly? You're going to reply, "My heart." or "Because I have faith." I respect your faith, but it is not fact. You can't prove any of what is written is fact or how we're supposed to live.
Originally posted by
mama2007
nope. in the Bible it clearly states that marriage is between a man and woman. 1 Corinthians 6
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
And I'm married and it's not stupid. it's already banned in NC as of last week! along with other things. hopefully the law passes here in Va too
You live how you choose to live and believe what you choose to believe, but you do not (nor does anyone else) have the right to oppress anyone with it. It's not what Jesus was about, first of all. Secondly, it's not what this country is supposed to stand for.
The last time the Bible was used to prevent marriage equality, was for interracial marriage. That seems pretty stupid NOW, doesn't it?
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