Too Many Pictures in Reviews

Contributor: Silverdrop Silverdrop
Okay, some people seem to think reviews have too many photos. Others disagree. Since this is clearly not an issue there's a consensus on, then it's obviously a matter of personal taste. And in that case, shouldn't we be deferring to the reviewer, to do their review in the style that works for them, rather than stirring up dissent?
01/05/2012
Contributor: - Kira - - Kira -
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Originally posted by indiglo
I don't think it is compatible with Mac, sadly.

I did some searching though, and found a couple of Mac options. Sounds like they aren't as powerful as Photofiltre, but still have good editing options. (I haven't tried them or ... more
Aww, boo!


Thanks for finding those!! Going to look now. I had GIMP. It was very clunky and slow and I just couldn't seem to make it do much of anything. I ended up deleting it.
01/05/2012
Contributor: Inker Inker
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Do you ever read a review and find there are too many images?

While I understand that pictures can be useful, I guess I use them sparingly. To me, they're especially helpful if something is different from the product images or unable to be ... more
no, we love pictures. I wanna see it form every angle, in relation to actual size of hand, or other objects just in the background even! I wanna see how everything looks sealed, and put together. In lingerie it always helps my wife a lot (she likes Sam's reviews with pics most! They're about the same size- I was told one day, lol.) She can see how they actually fit, and if she would like it on her. Pictures are great, the more the better for us!
01/05/2012
Contributor: Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
I hope you know that I have actually showed your reviews to my plus sized friends because they're VERY helpful. Your pictures are not redundant. They're well shot, and they show what needs to be shown. You show the kinds of things that many ... more
I'm sitting here bawling my eyes out - thank you so much. You have no idea just how much it means to me to hear this.

Yes, I struggle with taking the photos and posting them. To be honest- I look at the smaller gals like Sam and some of you others and I just feel sick to look at myself.

But then I remind myself that I have a right to be beautiful too and to feel "pretty" and have nice things.

I'm 51 years old and I decided to go ahead and share pictures because perhaps I'll be able to help some other woman to stop hating herself and her body and be willing to allow herself to be beautiful. If I can help one woman - than it is worth the shame I feel everytime I look at my photos (especially from the side).

I posted one review earlier tonight called She Rules the Night because my husband suggested that title. I thought I looked SO PRETTY in it - till I saw the pictures - especially the sideways one.

I sat and cried - here I'd been joking with my husband and daughter about feeling like a "Bond Girl"...and now I saw what I must look like to them.

My husband came over and hugged me and asked me what is wrong. I was like, "I can't do this review - I can't post these pictures...and people don't like pictures and think others are just trying to show themselves off..." and told him about the personal message I'd received about how I make the items look bad because of my posture (they didn't realize just how ashamed I was to take those pictures - all they wanted to do was critique things - as I'm hearing from others they've contacted with remarks too).

Anyway - I say all that to say "thank you so much" for letting me know that my pictures have helped someone. That was the goal...and I know I've met it.

By the way - I have six items due in tomorrow (lingerie) plus another lingerie item I ordered off Eden Classifieds plus six pairs of underwear (which I will NOT model but will photograph close up).

So watch for more lingerie reviews to come soon!
01/05/2012
Contributor: - Kira - - Kira -
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Originally posted by Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
I'm sitting here bawling my eyes out - thank you so much. You have no idea just how much it means to me to hear this.

Yes, I struggle with taking the photos and posting them. To be honest- I look at the smaller gals like Sam and some of ... more
I just want to say thank you for your reviews! It takes a LOT of guts to put yourself out there, even if you do feel self confident. When you feel down on yourself it is even harder. You DO have the right to feel pretty and beautiful. EVERY woman has that right! Congrats to you for being brave enough to do what you do!

And shame on someone for saying you make items look bad for any reason. That's a very rude comment to make when someone puts themselves out like that. It's not easy to post pictures of yourself in skimpy things for all to see. No one needs comments like that.

Can't wait to see your new reviews!
01/05/2012
Contributor: Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
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Originally posted by - Kira -
I just want to say thank you for your reviews! It takes a LOT of guts to put yourself out there, even if you do feel self confident. When you feel down on yourself it is even harder. You DO have the right to feel pretty and beautiful. EVERY woman ... more
Well, the really ironic thing was they don't have pictures in their lingerie reviews...know what I mean?

So I sorta laughed it off after a bit.
01/05/2012
Contributor: Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
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Originally posted by - Kira -
So I have debated responding to this thread pretty much all day. I decided to put my two cents in, but I may regret it later. We shall see.

I put many pictures in my reviews. I put as many pictures as I feel are needed for the item in ... more
I loved your post and I agree with you.

I do understand what some folks are saying and I'm thinking I can reduce the size of some of my photos (I do crop them so they only have what I want to show).

So I have learned something from this thread.

Thanks to some of you who have written here and/or contacted me privately - I'm gonna stick to doing pictures and just let the chips fall where they may...or let the ratings go up or down. If I know I'm helping someone - that is what matters.
01/05/2012
Contributor: - Kira - - Kira -
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Originally posted by Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
Well, the really ironic thing was they don't have pictures in their lingerie reviews...know what I mean?

So I sorta laughed it off after a bit.
That takes some serious balls then! I would never negatively comment on someone's lingerie photos and I do post my own!
01/05/2012
Contributor: Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
By the way - I just have to share something quickly as far as the topic of larger women and their bodies.

I submitted an article to Eden Cafe and it just got accepted today. I think some of you larger ladies will like it (or hate it).

Its a letter to a plus-size woman - from her wardrobe. They're proud of her for finally adding something "pretty" to her life and they have more tips for her.

I think it will be out sometime in the next 2-3 weeks.
01/05/2012
Contributor: Breas Breas
I hope this doesn't offend anyone but this is how I feel..

basically, you cannot please everyone. While it would be nice if we could, there will always be someone or some people who are not fully satisfied with the way you do things. This is true in life, not just reviewing.

Since I've been here at EF, I've seen many reviews and comments, and many posts in the forum about such things.

Some people can't stand photos, while others cannot get enough.
Some people find the "adult" videos extremely useful, while others find them silly and useless.
Some people want every single detail even if it's on the product page, others just want an experience review.
Some people don't want comments that only say "thank you" while other people will take any comments they can get.

...and the list goes on. Personally, I just try and write an extremely useful review that I would consider to be extremely helpful to someone who is interested in the product. I seen a few people mention in this thread that now they feel they shouldn't add photos, or not as many. I hope these people continue adding photos because I like seeing them!

If you change the style of your reviews for a few people, you'll still have another group of people who can find something they dislike. For myself, I know that if I were to change my review style for the few who don't like it, then I'd probably find reviewing a lot less exciting and fun... It'd become more of a chore than a pleasure.

Anyway, like I said, hope this doesn't offend anyone.. I just think that if we all had similar review styles/preferences; then it'd be silly to even have more than one review per product.
01/05/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by - Kira -
Is that software compatible with Mac? I really need good photo editing software! All I have is iResize which just sizes things down. It can't do anything fancy at all.
I assume this has been responded to in more length downthread, but I just use Tools>adjust size in preview, and then save my things, and then open each one up, align them, and do a selective screenshot (apple+shift+4, and drag a box around the aligned pictures), and viola, it's a collage!
01/06/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
Quote:
Originally posted by indiglo
I don't think it is compatible with Mac, sadly.

I did some searching though, and found a couple of Mac options. Sounds like they aren't as powerful as Photofiltre, but still have good editing options. (I haven't tried them or ... more
Guh. Gimp is really awkward for me.
01/06/2012
Contributor: eeep eeep
I like pictures from various angles, or showing different functions. Depending on the toy, this can mean a lot of photos. In my reviews I do try to limit the photos to only the ones I think are necessary to show the features I feel are important to see visually.
01/06/2012
Contributor: indiglo indiglo
Quote:
Originally posted by Breas
I hope this doesn't offend anyone but this is how I feel..

basically, you cannot please everyone. While it would be nice if we could, there will always be someone or some people who are not fully satisfied with the way you do things. This ... more
I think you are 100% right! I totally agree with you.
01/06/2012
Contributor: NarcissisticLust NarcissisticLust
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Do you ever read a review and find there are too many images?

While I understand that pictures can be useful, I guess I use them sparingly. To me, they're especially helpful if something is different from the product images or unable to be ... more
I prefer reviews with photos. They do not detract from the writing, more often than not they add to it. I have difficulty visualizing the size of a toy without review photos.
01/06/2012
Contributor: indiglo indiglo
Quote:
Originally posted by Antipova
Guh. Gimp is really awkward for me.
Yeah, I stopped using it immediately. It was awful.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Silverdrop Silverdrop
Quote:
Originally posted by Breas
I hope this doesn't offend anyone but this is how I feel..

basically, you cannot please everyone. While it would be nice if we could, there will always be someone or some people who are not fully satisfied with the way you do things. This ... more
Well said.
01/06/2012
Contributor: B8trDude B8trDude
I think that a few photos can be very helpful and informative. There are times when too many photos are used (at least in my opinion). I think it's best to consider if there is a reason to show a picture, then do so. Just posting a lot of photos for the mere sake of doing so doesn't do much good.

I also wonder about photos that have added a ton of measurements on them. In the case of some items, this can be useful. Many other times, I wonder if this is just a bit of overkill. Most of the time, I think it's better to help others understand how large or small a toy is by taking a photo and placing it against other objects.

This is an interesting thread
01/06/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
Quote:
Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Do you ever read a review and find there are too many images?

While I understand that pictures can be useful, I guess I use them sparingly. To me, they're especially helpful if something is different from the product images or unable to be ... more
I agree actually quite a bit! If you can't find a way to describe what you are seeing then a picture is, indeed, worth a 1000 words but do at least try!
I am also seeing reviews being marked down as not being useful when there are no pictures included. I even had one reviewer "helpfully" point out that my rating could be higher if I used pictures instead of words!! I'm a writer...it's what I do...I write! I don't feel the need to use photos, though I admit seeing the lingerie on a "real" woman makes the product so much more attractive to me. Vibrators and such are, for the most part very well photographed! Now if there is a big discrepancy then I suppose a picture or two might be very helpful but for the most part so is a nicely worded caution about size.
Ah well like most of the "new and exciting' innovations here at EF, photos get a bit over used....after a while I predict that either a new category will open up for pictoral reviews or the written word will once again be appreciated. seriously though, a review isn't less than useful because you don't get to see the reviewer holding or using the toy!
01/06/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Coralbell
I wouldn't give a review a lower rating because there are lots of pictures. It doesn't take away from the usefulness, it just doesn't add anything for me. A lot of pictures are no more useful to me than a few well-chosen ones.
Same here! I like the pictures and I know they take an incredible amount of work to add but I guess my bias is toward a few well placed pictures and some good writing. Isimply judge the review based on the writing and content as some people can't or don't wish to put in pictures. Sort of like the video reviews, they are helpful and some are down right cute but they don't replace a well written review.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
Now you guys have me wondering if I should be putting my pictures in my linger reviews.

I try to do a front shot, a side shot, a rear shot, a closeup of the boob support (because its plus size lingerie).

Sometimes I will add photos of ... more
Your lingerie reviews with pics are amazingly helpful for me as we are very similar in body structure and height! Don't you dare stop...you got me over my fear of lingerie.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by - Kira -
Is that software compatible with Mac? I really need good photo editing software! All I have is iResize which just sizes things down. It can't do anything fancy at all.
Here's a list of free photo editing software programs from CNET. I don't have any experience with any but you might find one useful.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
People are becoming much too defensive over this issue. No one has said exactly how many is too many pictures in a review, and yet somehow everyone assumes we are talking about their reviews. Also, it will obviously vary by product type. Some products lend themselves to more pictures compared to others. Lastly, it is each persons opinion on the subject as to how many is too many. Whether you agree or not, it's an opinion and does not require justification to anyone. It's no different than the criteria that I use to justify my rating of a review. It's my criteria. No one said you had to agree with it.
01/06/2012
Contributor: karay123 karay123
I'm on a Mac but I have the Adobe suite (work, work, work). But Mac users, try Photobucket. Someone previously mentioned it in this thread. Easy breezy.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Silverdrop Silverdrop
Quote:
Originally posted by Kindred
People are becoming much too defensive over this issue. No one has said exactly how many is too many pictures in a review, and yet somehow everyone assumes we are talking about their reviews. Also, it will obviously vary by product type. Some ... more
It was said on the previous page that more than 4 or 5 was too many. So yes, those of us who routinely use more than 4 or 5 feel like we're being called out. I worry that it's making new reviewers or forum lurkers feel criticized and unwelcome, so I suppose I'm speaking up more on the behalf of other people than myself.

As for myself, they're my reviews. No one said you had to use my style or agree with it.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
Quote:
Originally posted by Silverdrop
It was said on the previous page that more than 4 or 5 was too many. So yes, those of us who routinely use more than 4 or 5 feel like we're being called out. I worry that it's making new reviewers or forum lurkers feel criticized and ... more
Unless I misread, I only see where people mention that 4-5 is the limit that they use in their own reviews. Regardless, I appreciate that it may turn off new reviewers. However, I think it's also worth discussing to a point as it's no different than offering constructive feedback. It's important to understand the communities expectations, again to a point. And for me the point is that we all have different preferences in both reading and writing reviews. No one says we have to appease everyone nor should we expect to.
01/06/2012
Contributor: - Kira - - Kira -
Thanks for all the suggestions for photo software! I'm going to play around some soon. Now if anyone wants to teach me how to use the software....

Kindred - There have been instances of comments being left and messages being sent to those who post multiple pictures in reviews lately. If you look at what TexasMama said, someone messaged her saying she made pieces look bad due to her posture. I've also recently had comments on my reviews from one person about my photos. I think that is another part of the reason why some people are feeling a little defensive. At least that's why I am. I really don't mind what votes I get so much, but snide remarks I can live without. They really ruin my day and have the potential to hurt people's feelings. There's no need for that on Eden.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by - Kira -
Thanks for all the suggestions for photo software! I'm going to play around some soon. Now if anyone wants to teach me how to use the software....

Kindred - There have been instances of comments being left and messages being sent to ... more
Since I don't know the content of the messages, I will only offer that despite how it seemed, perhaps they were offering feedback to try and help you improve your future reviews?

And I have a Mac laptop although I do all of my editing on my Windows desktop. If there is one that looks like it has potential, I can try and play around with it and teach you how to use it if you like.
01/06/2012
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Wow.. This really blew up in a way I didn't expect.

I feel like a lot of words are being put in my mouth. I did not:

Call out any single reviewer,
name a number of images that are too much,
call for all pictures to be removed,
mention anything about voting based on number of pictures,
ask for any official statement or rule to be enacted,
demand that anyone do anything fancy with their photos (or buy new cameras or something),
or even ask anyone to stop posting pictures.

I do think that:

considering if a photo has a function is great (Hot N Sexy Texas Mama's formula of front/side/back is a good example. Each photo has a purpose),
resizing from super large sizes is good,
the idea of collages is also good (if you can do them),
realize that, at the end of the day, each reviewer will do what works for him or her,
people should remember pictures are kind of a new thing around here. they really weren't something people always did and some of us are still getting used to that.

I simply wanted to know if others felt the same and some do. Lots of people like at least some pictures and some people feel there is a point where pictures become overwhelming or that there are certain types of pictures that don't necessarily improve a review (poor quality images, for example).
01/06/2012
Contributor: Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
First of all, I want to apologize for being so upset yesterday by this thread. I guess I'm really oversensitive about the topic because I hate the way I look in pictures and I'm always feeling like I don't do as good a job on reviews as some other folks.

After hearing from many folks that the pictures help them, I'm going to stick with my formula because I do have a purpose for 99% of my pictures.

But - I am also going to look at reducing them to a slightly smaller size because this thread has made me realize that might really help the reviews not seem as overwhelming when you first open it up.

I also want to state- publicly - for the record that the person who had privately contacted me - also sent a note of apology because they never meant to hurt my feelings about photos, etc. I haven't yet had a chance to reply and I need to head out the door in a bit for mystery shops - and then wait anxiously for the mailman and UPS man to bring my new LINGERIE!

I really have taken away some good things from this thread - for instance - making sure every photo has a purpose - putting items next to something that gives you a good idea of size - possibly going with a collage - and so much more. These are tips which I can use to pass on to my students too!

to all who have been involved in this thread.
01/06/2012