Does anyone know of a massage oil on here that can be used as a lube also? I am looking for something that can be used for massage and is edible and ok for internal use. Thanks
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all I've ever heard about using oils vaginally is that it's unhealthy. I have to know for sure that an oil I use is vaginal friendly before I'd use it. I'd do quite a bit of research to learn about it.
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03/01/2014
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Baby oil.
Originally posted by
AriaRN
Does anyone know of a massage oil on here that can be used as a lube also? I am looking for something that can be used for massage and is edible and ok for internal use. Thanks
03/01/2014
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NO, no no! No mineral oil in the vagina!!! Please, even if you haven't had a problem with the women you know, it is still unsafe. Now, that said, there are some not only safe, but beneficial oils that can be used in the vagina and they are edible and also can be used for massage. Frankly, I would use a silicone lube either mixed in a little or just silicone for the massage and maybe the sex lube part. Assuming you want a one shot deal, then I am wholeheartedly recommending coconut oil, the organic, virgin, expeller or centrifuge expressed kind, not so much the deodorized, typical stuff you find, though it is perfectly safe. I just prefer to be extra careful and hope that the beneficial attributes are better preserved in the organic, virgin...kind.
Originally posted by
AtlDom85
Baby oil.
That said, let me add that not only is coconut oil safe for the vagina and an excellent all over the body treatment, it is antimicrobial! Yes, it inhibits bacteria AND fungus, so bacterial vaginosis and yeast infections are not going to be a result of using this wonderful oil as a lube and indeed it prevents them from occurring! Another benefit is it's incredible shelf life! Most oils go quickly rancid and the beauty of coconut oil is likely due to the hot climates where it evolved. It has predominantly medium-chain fatty acids in it that make it one of the most healthful oils to ingest, but also make it highly resistant to breaking down under the heat of cooking! But the same property is what makes it so long storing and the antimicrobial action prevents it from getting contaminated while stored so long.
Yes, you can use olive oil and even avocado oil safely in the vagina and for massage, but nothing tops coconut oil in my experience. The only issue besides if you're allergic to it, is that at normal room temps in the US, it may be a solid. When the summer rolls around, that may change, but not for me. I find in the winter that the cupboard I store it in is over a heat vent and that helps warm it up. You can put your entire jar in a waterbath (stick the jar in a pan filled with water), or put it, or a scooped out portion, in a bowl or cup and microwave it. Always mix it up as it melts and you will have plenty ready in a jiffy. I recommend keeping a dish of it on a heating pad to keep it liquid and warm for the massage and if you need to add any more lube as you play. Sometimes I am lazy though and just scrape some out of the little dish after it solidifies and hold it in my hand until it melts. Sometimes just rolling my dildo in it between my palm and the toy is enough heat and friction to melt it just fine (as long as my hands aren't freezing cold).
OK, silicone is your friend for massage and a sex lube, so consider it, too. But you asked about oils and that's what I tried to answer. I hope this helped you. Oh, and the reason you don't want to use mineral oil (baby oil is mineral oil plus additives like fragrance, eek!) or petroleum jelly is because it forms an impenetrable barrier on the skin (silicone actually allows the skin to breathe, go figure, but it feels a lot like oil). In the vagina, there is a delicate balance maintained by pH and the bacteria and yeasts already there. Everything exists in harmony until...da da ummm...bad stuff is introduced or alters you pH there. That can be a simple as a hormonal change before your period (many women, including myself are susceptible to yeast infections right before their period because of the hormonal shifts affect the pH in the vagina!). Or it can be caused by douching, using detergents to clean the area, particular lubes and body care products, etc. Fragrance is a huge offender, too, but that's true for the whole body. Anyway, so you have this delicate balance and if you introduce mineral oil,, you may be fine, OR, you may be providing the perfect environment for the bacteria trapped under that film to grow like crazy. And not the good bacteria that keeps the bad in check by out-competing it! But rather, the anaerobic bacteria (for one), those are the ones that thrive on a no-oxygen environment. Your local, good flora can't compete and you end up with an infection. Why bother when there are so many cheap alternatives? And it takes so little olive or coconut oil to do the job of acting as a lubricant, that it IS cheap like mineral oil, just sayin'.
03/02/2014
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Extremely useful advice!
Originally posted by
Wicked Wahine
NO, no no! No mineral oil in the vagina!!! Please, even if you haven't had a problem with the women you know, it is still unsafe. Now, that said, there are some not only safe, but beneficial oils that can be used in the vagina and they are edible
...
more
NO, no no! No mineral oil in the vagina!!! Please, even if you haven't had a problem with the women you know, it is still unsafe. Now, that said, there are some not only safe, but beneficial oils that can be used in the vagina and they are edible and also can be used for massage. Frankly, I would use a silicone lube either mixed in a little or just silicone for the massage and maybe the sex lube part. Assuming you want a one shot deal, then I am wholeheartedly recommending coconut oil, the organic, virgin, expeller or centrifuge expressed kind, not so much the deodorized, typical stuff you find, though it is perfectly safe. I just prefer to be extra careful and hope that the beneficial attributes are better preserved in the organic, virgin...kind.
That said, let me add that not only is coconut oil safe for the vagina and an excellent all over the body treatment, it is antimicrobial! Yes, it inhibits bacteria AND fungus, so bacterial vaginosis and yeast infections are not going to be a result of using this wonderful oil as a lube and indeed it prevents them from occurring! Another benefit is it's incredible shelf life! Most oils go quickly rancid and the beauty of coconut oil is likely due to the hot climates where it evolved. It has predominantly medium-chain fatty acids in it that make it one of the most healthful oils to ingest, but also make it highly resistant to breaking down under the heat of cooking! But the same property is what makes it so long storing and the antimicrobial action prevents it from getting contaminated while stored so long.
Yes, you can use olive oil and even avocado oil safely in the vagina and for massage, but nothing tops coconut oil in my experience. The only issue besides if you're allergic to it, is that at normal room temps in the US, it may be a solid. When the summer rolls around, that may change, but not for me. I find in the winter that the cupboard I store it in is over a heat vent and that helps warm it up. You can put your entire jar in a waterbath (stick the jar in a pan filled with water), or put it, or a scooped out portion, in a bowl or cup and microwave it. Always mix it up as it melts and you will have plenty ready in a jiffy. I recommend keeping a dish of it on a heating pad to keep it liquid and warm for the massage and if you need to add any more lube as you play. Sometimes I am lazy though and just scrape some out of the little dish after it solidifies and hold it in my hand until it melts. Sometimes just rolling my dildo in it between my palm and the toy is enough heat and friction to melt it just fine (as long as my hands aren't freezing cold).
OK, silicone is your friend for massage and a sex lube, so consider it, too. But you asked about oils and that's what I tried to answer. I hope this helped you. Oh, and the reason you don't want to use mineral oil (baby oil is mineral oil plus additives like fragrance, eek!) or petroleum jelly is because it forms an impenetrable barrier on the skin (silicone actually allows the skin to breathe, go figure, but it feels a lot like oil). In the vagina, there is a delicate balance maintained by pH and the bacteria and yeasts already there. Everything exists in harmony until...da da ummm...bad stuff is introduced or alters you pH there. That can be a simple as a hormonal change before your period (many women, including myself are susceptible to yeast infections right before their period because of the hormonal shifts affect the pH in the vagina!). Or it can be caused by douching, using detergents to clean the area, particular lubes and body care products, etc. Fragrance is a huge offender, too, but that's true for the whole body. Anyway, so you have this delicate balance and if you introduce mineral oil,, you may be fine, OR, you may be providing the perfect environment for the bacteria trapped under that film to grow like crazy. And not the good bacteria that keeps the bad in check by out-competing it! But rather, the anaerobic bacteria (for one), those are the ones that thrive on a no-oxygen environment. Your local, good flora can't compete and you end up with an infection. Why bother when there are so many cheap alternatives? And it takes so little olive or coconut oil to do the job of acting as a lubricant, that it IS cheap like mineral oil, just sayin'. less
That said, let me add that not only is coconut oil safe for the vagina and an excellent all over the body treatment, it is antimicrobial! Yes, it inhibits bacteria AND fungus, so bacterial vaginosis and yeast infections are not going to be a result of using this wonderful oil as a lube and indeed it prevents them from occurring! Another benefit is it's incredible shelf life! Most oils go quickly rancid and the beauty of coconut oil is likely due to the hot climates where it evolved. It has predominantly medium-chain fatty acids in it that make it one of the most healthful oils to ingest, but also make it highly resistant to breaking down under the heat of cooking! But the same property is what makes it so long storing and the antimicrobial action prevents it from getting contaminated while stored so long.
Yes, you can use olive oil and even avocado oil safely in the vagina and for massage, but nothing tops coconut oil in my experience. The only issue besides if you're allergic to it, is that at normal room temps in the US, it may be a solid. When the summer rolls around, that may change, but not for me. I find in the winter that the cupboard I store it in is over a heat vent and that helps warm it up. You can put your entire jar in a waterbath (stick the jar in a pan filled with water), or put it, or a scooped out portion, in a bowl or cup and microwave it. Always mix it up as it melts and you will have plenty ready in a jiffy. I recommend keeping a dish of it on a heating pad to keep it liquid and warm for the massage and if you need to add any more lube as you play. Sometimes I am lazy though and just scrape some out of the little dish after it solidifies and hold it in my hand until it melts. Sometimes just rolling my dildo in it between my palm and the toy is enough heat and friction to melt it just fine (as long as my hands aren't freezing cold).
OK, silicone is your friend for massage and a sex lube, so consider it, too. But you asked about oils and that's what I tried to answer. I hope this helped you. Oh, and the reason you don't want to use mineral oil (baby oil is mineral oil plus additives like fragrance, eek!) or petroleum jelly is because it forms an impenetrable barrier on the skin (silicone actually allows the skin to breathe, go figure, but it feels a lot like oil). In the vagina, there is a delicate balance maintained by pH and the bacteria and yeasts already there. Everything exists in harmony until...da da ummm...bad stuff is introduced or alters you pH there. That can be a simple as a hormonal change before your period (many women, including myself are susceptible to yeast infections right before their period because of the hormonal shifts affect the pH in the vagina!). Or it can be caused by douching, using detergents to clean the area, particular lubes and body care products, etc. Fragrance is a huge offender, too, but that's true for the whole body. Anyway, so you have this delicate balance and if you introduce mineral oil,, you may be fine, OR, you may be providing the perfect environment for the bacteria trapped under that film to grow like crazy. And not the good bacteria that keeps the bad in check by out-competing it! But rather, the anaerobic bacteria (for one), those are the ones that thrive on a no-oxygen environment. Your local, good flora can't compete and you end up with an infection. Why bother when there are so many cheap alternatives? And it takes so little olive or coconut oil to do the job of acting as a lubricant, that it IS cheap like mineral oil, just sayin'. less
03/02/2014
Quote:
Wow thanks for this post!!! I had tried googling it and wasn't able to find too much. Some people recommended Ky 2-in-1 massage and lube but I think it's gone off the market. I mentioned oil but I am definitely willing to try silicone based products as well. Since you seem to know a ton about the subject, do you happen to know of any good silicone based products? Thanks again!
Originally posted by
Wicked Wahine
NO, no no! No mineral oil in the vagina!!! Please, even if you haven't had a problem with the women you know, it is still unsafe. Now, that said, there are some not only safe, but beneficial oils that can be used in the vagina and they are edible
...
more
NO, no no! No mineral oil in the vagina!!! Please, even if you haven't had a problem with the women you know, it is still unsafe. Now, that said, there are some not only safe, but beneficial oils that can be used in the vagina and they are edible and also can be used for massage. Frankly, I would use a silicone lube either mixed in a little or just silicone for the massage and maybe the sex lube part. Assuming you want a one shot deal, then I am wholeheartedly recommending coconut oil, the organic, virgin, expeller or centrifuge expressed kind, not so much the deodorized, typical stuff you find, though it is perfectly safe. I just prefer to be extra careful and hope that the beneficial attributes are better preserved in the organic, virgin...kind.
That said, let me add that not only is coconut oil safe for the vagina and an excellent all over the body treatment, it is antimicrobial! Yes, it inhibits bacteria AND fungus, so bacterial vaginosis and yeast infections are not going to be a result of using this wonderful oil as a lube and indeed it prevents them from occurring! Another benefit is it's incredible shelf life! Most oils go quickly rancid and the beauty of coconut oil is likely due to the hot climates where it evolved. It has predominantly medium-chain fatty acids in it that make it one of the most healthful oils to ingest, but also make it highly resistant to breaking down under the heat of cooking! But the same property is what makes it so long storing and the antimicrobial action prevents it from getting contaminated while stored so long.
Yes, you can use olive oil and even avocado oil safely in the vagina and for massage, but nothing tops coconut oil in my experience. The only issue besides if you're allergic to it, is that at normal room temps in the US, it may be a solid. When the summer rolls around, that may change, but not for me. I find in the winter that the cupboard I store it in is over a heat vent and that helps warm it up. You can put your entire jar in a waterbath (stick the jar in a pan filled with water), or put it, or a scooped out portion, in a bowl or cup and microwave it. Always mix it up as it melts and you will have plenty ready in a jiffy. I recommend keeping a dish of it on a heating pad to keep it liquid and warm for the massage and if you need to add any more lube as you play. Sometimes I am lazy though and just scrape some out of the little dish after it solidifies and hold it in my hand until it melts. Sometimes just rolling my dildo in it between my palm and the toy is enough heat and friction to melt it just fine (as long as my hands aren't freezing cold).
OK, silicone is your friend for massage and a sex lube, so consider it, too. But you asked about oils and that's what I tried to answer. I hope this helped you. Oh, and the reason you don't want to use mineral oil (baby oil is mineral oil plus additives like fragrance, eek!) or petroleum jelly is because it forms an impenetrable barrier on the skin (silicone actually allows the skin to breathe, go figure, but it feels a lot like oil). In the vagina, there is a delicate balance maintained by pH and the bacteria and yeasts already there. Everything exists in harmony until...da da ummm...bad stuff is introduced or alters you pH there. That can be a simple as a hormonal change before your period (many women, including myself are susceptible to yeast infections right before their period because of the hormonal shifts affect the pH in the vagina!). Or it can be caused by douching, using detergents to clean the area, particular lubes and body care products, etc. Fragrance is a huge offender, too, but that's true for the whole body. Anyway, so you have this delicate balance and if you introduce mineral oil,, you may be fine, OR, you may be providing the perfect environment for the bacteria trapped under that film to grow like crazy. And not the good bacteria that keeps the bad in check by out-competing it! But rather, the anaerobic bacteria (for one), those are the ones that thrive on a no-oxygen environment. Your local, good flora can't compete and you end up with an infection. Why bother when there are so many cheap alternatives? And it takes so little olive or coconut oil to do the job of acting as a lubricant, that it IS cheap like mineral oil, just sayin'. less
That said, let me add that not only is coconut oil safe for the vagina and an excellent all over the body treatment, it is antimicrobial! Yes, it inhibits bacteria AND fungus, so bacterial vaginosis and yeast infections are not going to be a result of using this wonderful oil as a lube and indeed it prevents them from occurring! Another benefit is it's incredible shelf life! Most oils go quickly rancid and the beauty of coconut oil is likely due to the hot climates where it evolved. It has predominantly medium-chain fatty acids in it that make it one of the most healthful oils to ingest, but also make it highly resistant to breaking down under the heat of cooking! But the same property is what makes it so long storing and the antimicrobial action prevents it from getting contaminated while stored so long.
Yes, you can use olive oil and even avocado oil safely in the vagina and for massage, but nothing tops coconut oil in my experience. The only issue besides if you're allergic to it, is that at normal room temps in the US, it may be a solid. When the summer rolls around, that may change, but not for me. I find in the winter that the cupboard I store it in is over a heat vent and that helps warm it up. You can put your entire jar in a waterbath (stick the jar in a pan filled with water), or put it, or a scooped out portion, in a bowl or cup and microwave it. Always mix it up as it melts and you will have plenty ready in a jiffy. I recommend keeping a dish of it on a heating pad to keep it liquid and warm for the massage and if you need to add any more lube as you play. Sometimes I am lazy though and just scrape some out of the little dish after it solidifies and hold it in my hand until it melts. Sometimes just rolling my dildo in it between my palm and the toy is enough heat and friction to melt it just fine (as long as my hands aren't freezing cold).
OK, silicone is your friend for massage and a sex lube, so consider it, too. But you asked about oils and that's what I tried to answer. I hope this helped you. Oh, and the reason you don't want to use mineral oil (baby oil is mineral oil plus additives like fragrance, eek!) or petroleum jelly is because it forms an impenetrable barrier on the skin (silicone actually allows the skin to breathe, go figure, but it feels a lot like oil). In the vagina, there is a delicate balance maintained by pH and the bacteria and yeasts already there. Everything exists in harmony until...da da ummm...bad stuff is introduced or alters you pH there. That can be a simple as a hormonal change before your period (many women, including myself are susceptible to yeast infections right before their period because of the hormonal shifts affect the pH in the vagina!). Or it can be caused by douching, using detergents to clean the area, particular lubes and body care products, etc. Fragrance is a huge offender, too, but that's true for the whole body. Anyway, so you have this delicate balance and if you introduce mineral oil,, you may be fine, OR, you may be providing the perfect environment for the bacteria trapped under that film to grow like crazy. And not the good bacteria that keeps the bad in check by out-competing it! But rather, the anaerobic bacteria (for one), those are the ones that thrive on a no-oxygen environment. Your local, good flora can't compete and you end up with an infection. Why bother when there are so many cheap alternatives? And it takes so little olive or coconut oil to do the job of acting as a lubricant, that it IS cheap like mineral oil, just sayin'. less
03/02/2014
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@Rossie, thanks!
Originally posted by
AriaRN
Wow thanks for this post!!! I had tried googling it and wasn't able to find too much. Some people recommended Ky 2-in-1 massage and lube but I think it's gone off the market. I mentioned oil but I am definitely willing to try silicone based
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Wow thanks for this post!!! I had tried googling it and wasn't able to find too much. Some people recommended Ky 2-in-1 massage and lube but I think it's gone off the market. I mentioned oil but I am definitely willing to try silicone based products as well. Since you seem to know a ton about the subject, do you happen to know of any good silicone based products? Thanks again!
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@ AriaRNSure I do! Any silicone lube that has the ingredient dimethicone either as the first or near the top of the ingredient list is a more premium lube due to that ingredient being more expensive to use, lol. Anyway, some people noticed that dimethicone didn't have enough of the slip or it became too sticky for their tastes in a lube, so the chemists started playing around and trying different silicones such as dimethiconol, cyclopentasiloxane, cyclotetrasiloxane , et al. There is a product specifically for body massage buy Pjur called Bodyglide and also Light Bodyglide which are perfect for both uses and a quality company, if somewhat expensive (use Eden sales like the whole site one going on now with the BLOOMxx code of choice)!
Check out here for more lube info and choose the silicone category for the types on this site. But I will say, for massage, pretty much any cheapo silicone lube would be fine. Start with a small size, see how you like it and experiment. You can always use a different one for the sex stuff and then a more expensive one that meets those particular needs would be more feasible. this and this are the ones that I would try myself due to the safety of the ingredients and the larger sizes for less money (always check the size when price checking, lol). I particularly prefer a thicker silicone lube for sex play as it doesn't run all over like regular which is something that would help with massage. I tried the JO brand of thicker anal lube and found it barely thicker in my personal estimation, so I would try Jack Aide thick gel or another brand if you want to try a thicker silicone lube that doesn't get all runny on your bits and stays in place better.
WARNING about using silicone lubes: Be very careful, this stuff gets everywhere. When you open, be very slow about tipping it as it runs out like mineral oil or water! But the most annoying thing about it is that it gets on the damn bottle no matter how careful you are, lol! I recommend you have some paper towels under the bottle even if you think you are careful (trust me! ) Silicone lube is the only lube (besides coconut oil) that has never irritated me. The only reason I don't usually use it is because I have silicone toys that it can damage and because it doesn't provide enough cushion feeling to me when I use it. I know that sounds odd, but is the best way I can explain it and I have not yet found a thick version that is thick enough for me (have only tried the JO anal and some other brands not on Eden, but never tried the Jack Aide one I linked to above) I prefer water-based lubes or hybrid ones because they feel more like my natural lubrication and they just feel more cushiony, not too thin. ALSO: silicone lube doesn't taste good, not awful, just not like you want a mouthful of it, though it's completely benign if you have no other ingredients added to it. It tastes like nothing, just an oily taste to me (your mileage may vary, which may depend on the brand).
(My favorite brand, period, for any type of lube is Sliquid, which for some reason, is no longer in stock here at Eden. However, it used to be and if you search for their name and then click the reviews tab when you see "Search results for Sliquid" (right under it, you will notice tabs and click the reviews or discussions tab and see all the info on them) here and here for example. The Sliquid Silver is a great silicone product and their hybrid lube, Silk, is water-based with a little silicone added to give the best of both worlds.)
I hoped this helped!
03/03/2014
Massage oil is to stay on the outside of your body. There are lubricates available
03/03/2014
Quote:
Wow! Very informative post.
Originally posted by
Wicked Wahine
NO, no no! No mineral oil in the vagina!!! Please, even if you haven't had a problem with the women you know, it is still unsafe. Now, that said, there are some not only safe, but beneficial oils that can be used in the vagina and they are edible
...
more
NO, no no! No mineral oil in the vagina!!! Please, even if you haven't had a problem with the women you know, it is still unsafe. Now, that said, there are some not only safe, but beneficial oils that can be used in the vagina and they are edible and also can be used for massage. Frankly, I would use a silicone lube either mixed in a little or just silicone for the massage and maybe the sex lube part. Assuming you want a one shot deal, then I am wholeheartedly recommending coconut oil, the organic, virgin, expeller or centrifuge expressed kind, not so much the deodorized, typical stuff you find, though it is perfectly safe. I just prefer to be extra careful and hope that the beneficial attributes are better preserved in the organic, virgin...kind.
That said, let me add that not only is coconut oil safe for the vagina and an excellent all over the body treatment, it is antimicrobial! Yes, it inhibits bacteria AND fungus, so bacterial vaginosis and yeast infections are not going to be a result of using this wonderful oil as a lube and indeed it prevents them from occurring! Another benefit is it's incredible shelf life! Most oils go quickly rancid and the beauty of coconut oil is likely due to the hot climates where it evolved. It has predominantly medium-chain fatty acids in it that make it one of the most healthful oils to ingest, but also make it highly resistant to breaking down under the heat of cooking! But the same property is what makes it so long storing and the antimicrobial action prevents it from getting contaminated while stored so long.
Yes, you can use olive oil and even avocado oil safely in the vagina and for massage, but nothing tops coconut oil in my experience. The only issue besides if you're allergic to it, is that at normal room temps in the US, it may be a solid. When the summer rolls around, that may change, but not for me. I find in the winter that the cupboard I store it in is over a heat vent and that helps warm it up. You can put your entire jar in a waterbath (stick the jar in a pan filled with water), or put it, or a scooped out portion, in a bowl or cup and microwave it. Always mix it up as it melts and you will have plenty ready in a jiffy. I recommend keeping a dish of it on a heating pad to keep it liquid and warm for the massage and if you need to add any more lube as you play. Sometimes I am lazy though and just scrape some out of the little dish after it solidifies and hold it in my hand until it melts. Sometimes just rolling my dildo in it between my palm and the toy is enough heat and friction to melt it just fine (as long as my hands aren't freezing cold).
OK, silicone is your friend for massage and a sex lube, so consider it, too. But you asked about oils and that's what I tried to answer. I hope this helped you. Oh, and the reason you don't want to use mineral oil (baby oil is mineral oil plus additives like fragrance, eek!) or petroleum jelly is because it forms an impenetrable barrier on the skin (silicone actually allows the skin to breathe, go figure, but it feels a lot like oil). In the vagina, there is a delicate balance maintained by pH and the bacteria and yeasts already there. Everything exists in harmony until...da da ummm...bad stuff is introduced or alters you pH there. That can be a simple as a hormonal change before your period (many women, including myself are susceptible to yeast infections right before their period because of the hormonal shifts affect the pH in the vagina!). Or it can be caused by douching, using detergents to clean the area, particular lubes and body care products, etc. Fragrance is a huge offender, too, but that's true for the whole body. Anyway, so you have this delicate balance and if you introduce mineral oil,, you may be fine, OR, you may be providing the perfect environment for the bacteria trapped under that film to grow like crazy. And not the good bacteria that keeps the bad in check by out-competing it! But rather, the anaerobic bacteria (for one), those are the ones that thrive on a no-oxygen environment. Your local, good flora can't compete and you end up with an infection. Why bother when there are so many cheap alternatives? And it takes so little olive or coconut oil to do the job of acting as a lubricant, that it IS cheap like mineral oil, just sayin'. less
That said, let me add that not only is coconut oil safe for the vagina and an excellent all over the body treatment, it is antimicrobial! Yes, it inhibits bacteria AND fungus, so bacterial vaginosis and yeast infections are not going to be a result of using this wonderful oil as a lube and indeed it prevents them from occurring! Another benefit is it's incredible shelf life! Most oils go quickly rancid and the beauty of coconut oil is likely due to the hot climates where it evolved. It has predominantly medium-chain fatty acids in it that make it one of the most healthful oils to ingest, but also make it highly resistant to breaking down under the heat of cooking! But the same property is what makes it so long storing and the antimicrobial action prevents it from getting contaminated while stored so long.
Yes, you can use olive oil and even avocado oil safely in the vagina and for massage, but nothing tops coconut oil in my experience. The only issue besides if you're allergic to it, is that at normal room temps in the US, it may be a solid. When the summer rolls around, that may change, but not for me. I find in the winter that the cupboard I store it in is over a heat vent and that helps warm it up. You can put your entire jar in a waterbath (stick the jar in a pan filled with water), or put it, or a scooped out portion, in a bowl or cup and microwave it. Always mix it up as it melts and you will have plenty ready in a jiffy. I recommend keeping a dish of it on a heating pad to keep it liquid and warm for the massage and if you need to add any more lube as you play. Sometimes I am lazy though and just scrape some out of the little dish after it solidifies and hold it in my hand until it melts. Sometimes just rolling my dildo in it between my palm and the toy is enough heat and friction to melt it just fine (as long as my hands aren't freezing cold).
OK, silicone is your friend for massage and a sex lube, so consider it, too. But you asked about oils and that's what I tried to answer. I hope this helped you. Oh, and the reason you don't want to use mineral oil (baby oil is mineral oil plus additives like fragrance, eek!) or petroleum jelly is because it forms an impenetrable barrier on the skin (silicone actually allows the skin to breathe, go figure, but it feels a lot like oil). In the vagina, there is a delicate balance maintained by pH and the bacteria and yeasts already there. Everything exists in harmony until...da da ummm...bad stuff is introduced or alters you pH there. That can be a simple as a hormonal change before your period (many women, including myself are susceptible to yeast infections right before their period because of the hormonal shifts affect the pH in the vagina!). Or it can be caused by douching, using detergents to clean the area, particular lubes and body care products, etc. Fragrance is a huge offender, too, but that's true for the whole body. Anyway, so you have this delicate balance and if you introduce mineral oil,, you may be fine, OR, you may be providing the perfect environment for the bacteria trapped under that film to grow like crazy. And not the good bacteria that keeps the bad in check by out-competing it! But rather, the anaerobic bacteria (for one), those are the ones that thrive on a no-oxygen environment. Your local, good flora can't compete and you end up with an infection. Why bother when there are so many cheap alternatives? And it takes so little olive or coconut oil to do the job of acting as a lubricant, that it IS cheap like mineral oil, just sayin'. less
We also love coconut oil, the edible lubricant and massage oil.
We keep a small heating pad in our play room to warm it before use, which is perfect for massage or hand jobs.
But I wonder....does anyone know of a hybrid or coconut oil blend that would be a liquid at room temp, allowing us to use it in a squeeze or pump bottle without needing to heat it up???
03/03/2014
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Thanks Kitt Katt! Sorry, I know of no product that can do this (but see below for my thoughts on it). I have not seen such a thing anywhere, but that doesn't mean a chemist hasn't come up with a solution. If I ever see one,, I will let you know and I would like if you told me if you find one, thanks!
Originally posted by
Kitt Katt
Wow! Very informative post.
We also love coconut oil, the edible lubricant and massage oil.
We keep a small heating pad in our play room to warm it before use, which is perfect for massage or hand jobs.
But I wonder....does anyone ... more
We also love coconut oil, the edible lubricant and massage oil.
We keep a small heating pad in our play room to warm it before use, which is perfect for massage or hand jobs.
But I wonder....does anyone ... more
Wow! Very informative post.
We also love coconut oil, the edible lubricant and massage oil.
We keep a small heating pad in our play room to warm it before use, which is perfect for massage or hand jobs.
But I wonder....does anyone know of a hybrid or coconut oil blend that would be a liquid at room temp, allowing us to use it in a squeeze or pump bottle without needing to heat it up??? less
We also love coconut oil, the edible lubricant and massage oil.
We keep a small heating pad in our play room to warm it before use, which is perfect for massage or hand jobs.
But I wonder....does anyone know of a hybrid or coconut oil blend that would be a liquid at room temp, allowing us to use it in a squeeze or pump bottle without needing to heat it up??? less
Oh,, and did you know you do NOT harm the coconut oil at all by heating and re-heating it over and over between solid and liquid? That's because it's so darn stable! Now, should you deep fry with it, yes, over time it will start to break down, but you couldn't use that hot an oil on yourself anyway, lol!
Eden used to carry a coconut oil lube that a review included directions to make your own. Unfortunately, it will not be liquid. Here's the fabulous review by Woman China, complete with links to info and then a recipe for making your own at the bottom! (And she did make it and uses it!)
Sheer speculation: OK, here's why I think you will not find a liquid version, at least not a pure/safe one. In order to make it liquid at a lower temp, they are going to have to add chemicals to overcome the natural tendencies. I even have an olive oil for cooking that has some coconut oil mixed in and yes, the coconut oil is in solid little clumps throughout until it gets warmed up. As much a pain as it is to warm it (you can let melt in your hand, too), putting it in liquid at room temp or a lotion or other type consistency, is just not something I would feel safe putting on myself. Maybe as a massage item, but definitely not for sexual areas.
03/03/2014
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